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Sodan-1 wrote:I dunno. It's just not blowing me away like I thought it would or indeed how Hercules did. The chest area looks very plain and uninteresting compared to the arms and legs.

I agree with this too. I was excited for Herc as I didn't have that neo-classics Devestator. With Superion, I already have the FP add-on. I would have rather seen something that didn't exist yet, like Menasor, Predaking, Computron or Defensor.

I know there are a few that don't like the head and chest off Uranos. As far as the head goes, that's no different than many others and a replacement will become available at some point.

The chest is another matter, but I like it. I've been comparing G1 Silverbolt and Superion to the TFC version and like how they are "evolving" him.

G1 Silverbolt with his plain, boring chest.


G1 Superion.


I like how TFC Silverbolt uses a G1 Superion inspired chest, it really works.


Then Uranos has an all new (modern?) chest that clearly takes its cues from Superion. For me it just works, but I have liked the look of TFC Silverbolt's gestalt mode from the start.

Then there is this image that shows the chest transformed slightly differently suggesting that the other images have him miss-transformed.

The difference is so minor that anyone who doesn't like the look still won't, but just thought I'd mention it.

i'm not complaining about anything, i think this set of figures just looks fantastic. maybe there might be some problems with the hips, but if it's really serious then i wouldn't be surprised if they start throwing replacement parts in without extra charge.
since all the limb figures are pretty much the same in their basic transformation, they've got ample opportunity to perfect them

I was already decided against another $500ish gestalt. That torso figure just strengthens my resolve. something better could have been done there. Even if it involved parts forming. All combiners utilize it. It would have only helped here.

I like what I'm seeing and can't wait for him to be complete.

Does anyone think there is a rush to get these? I would like to wait until all are released and the quirks/kinks are worked out before I buy.

Stormrider wrote:Does anyone think there is a rush to get these? I would like to wait until all are released and the quirks/kinks are worked out before I buy.

I'm in the same boat as you. I love Hercules, and I know TFC will support their products when there's some fault. But I sure would love to purchase the set once all flaws are known and MAYBE get a package deal for all 5.

Yey. Skip.

c/o Cheem from TFW

daimchoc wrote:c/o Cheem from TFW

Now that is just bad ass !!!

How can anybody even still talk about FP Aerial Appendage set being better than this ??? And Im not talking s**t because I already own the FP set and I still want this bad boy !!!

My solution for the FP set: Get the energon versions of the Hasbro mold and make it a new character. He will no longer G1 Superion on my classics shelf.

Rated X wrote:Now that is just bad ass !!!

How can anybody even still talk about FP Aerial Appendage set being better than this ??? And Im not talking s**t because I already own the FP set and I still want this bad boy !!!

Because each one of these guys costs as much as the FP set, and FP Superion scales with FP Bruticus and MT Giant better than Uranos. I like these guys, but it's way too much money for me to plop down.

That Bot wrote:

Rated X wrote:Now that is just bad ass !!!

How can anybody even still talk about FP Aerial Appendage set being better than this ??? And Im not talking s**t because I already own the FP set and I still want this bad boy !!!

Because each one of these guys costs as much as the FP set, and FP Superion scales with FP Bruticus and MT Giant better than Uranos. I like these guys, but it's way too much money for me to plop down.

^^^
What he said. I just do not like the scale that TFC is doing. It's too pricey and not my style at all.

I'll spend the 550ish on something else.

Rated X wrote:

daimchoc wrote:c/o Cheem from TFW

Now that is just bad ass !!!

How can anybody even still talk about FP Aerial Appendage set being better than this ??? And Im not talking s**t because I already own the FP set and I still want this bad boy !!!

My solution for the FP set: Get the energon versions of the Hasbro mold and make it a new character. He will no longer G1 Superion on my classics shelf.

I never liked the FP version of Superion but this guy is going to be too big for my shelf. Love the details for these particular guys.

Mkall wrote:

That Bot wrote:

Rated X wrote:Now that is just bad ass !!!

How can anybody even still talk about FP Aerial Appendage set being better than this ??? And Im not talking s**t because I already own the FP set and I still want this bad boy !!!

Because each one of these guys costs as much as the FP set, and FP Superion scales with FP Bruticus and MT Giant better than Uranos. I like these guys, but it's way too much money for me to plop down.

^^^
What he said. I just do not like the scale that TFC is doing. It's too pricey and not my style at all.

I'll spend the 550ish on something else.

Scale is a losing battle with 3rd party combiners. Im going all G1 for my classics shelf. (cartoon G1)

You gotta admit that the various 3rd party companies are kind of in sync with actual alt mode scale...

Construction vechicles (TFC)- huge
Jet fighters (TFC)- huge
Combat vechicles (FP) - mid sized
Stunticon cars (FP)- small
Beasts (MMC predacons) - Huge

Besides the Maketoy Giant indivdual robot modes suck and the FP Superion individual robot modes are well...Hasbroish !!!

That group shot is the money maker and should have been released a couple of months ago. My aerial appendage team will be rechristened from Superion to Sixwing (technically five wing). Compared to these guys they could be micromaster sized. I will have a giant Superion on my shelf soon.

Quite frankly I hate the Aerialbots, so putting a lot of money into something I don't care for is completely out of the question. I only got the FP set on clearance just to make my Superion maximus look marginally better alongside his contemporaries. Plus, even if I don't like him, he looks a lot better than that mesh of blocks with wings that G1 Superion is.

Rated X wrote:

Mkall wrote:

That Bot wrote:

Rated X wrote:Now that is just bad ass !!!

How can anybody even still talk about FP Aerial Appendage set being better than this ??? And Im not talking s**t because I already own the FP set and I still want this bad boy !!!

Because each one of these guys costs as much as the FP set, and FP Superion scales with FP Bruticus and MT Giant better than Uranos. I like these guys, but it's way too much money for me to plop down.

^^^
What he said. I just do not like the scale that TFC is doing. It's too pricey and not my style at all.

I'll spend the 550ish on something else.

Scale is a losing battle with 3rd party combiners. Im going all G1 for my classics shelf. (cartoon G1)

Scale is hilariously wrong in Transformers in general. I'm not pretending otherwise. I adore TFWiki's Scale article.

You gotta admit that the various 3rd party companies are kind of in sync with actual alt mode scale...
Construction vechicles (TFC)- huge
Jet fighters (TFC)- huge

Fighters are usually bigger than cranes and bulldozers. In this case Uranos scales more accurately with Giant if we're going for real-world scale. Also Silverbolt should be tremendously bigger than the other Aerialbots using G1 alt modes.

Combat vechicles (FP) - mid sized

REAL BRUTICUS:

Stunticon cars (FP)- small

True

Beasts (MMC predacons) - Huge

Um. No. A rhino is about the size of a pickup truck. Lions, tigers, and bulls are about the size of a small car. An eagle is about a third the size of the average human, with a wingspan of about 6-8 feet. In real scale the Predacons should be the smallest combiner team.

Besides the Maketoy Giant indivdual robot modes suck

Eh, they've both got their merits. Most people seem to prefer Giant overall, for various reasons like money. I'm indifferent on this one, although I prefer Hercules's combined mode. I own neither set.

and the FP Superion individual robot modes are well...Hasbroish !!!

Some of us think that's okay! :O


To get back to the original point, I respect your preference, and I even agree with some of the original points you made in favor of Uranos, but you said "How can anybody even talk about the FP set being better than this?" and I gave you some reasons why.

LOL I love the "Real bruticus" scale drawing. But FP did put some thought into that when they made Swindle a Humvee instead of a jeep and Blast Off a unmanned drone shuttle that really does exist. The predacons are kind of a big N/A in the real life scale department because their alt modes were not meant to be "in disguise" on earth. That is unless you might mistake a big red and orange metal bull for the real thing. I think it's fair to say that all robot beasts from seasons 3 and 4 would roughly be the size of an SUV if they existed in real life. That is if you use their robot modes compared to other robots that turned into vechicles that stood beside them. On the construction vechicles, they vary in size with Mixmaster actually being the smallest and Long Haul being the biggest. Ive seen plenty of fighter jets in person and they are comparable in size to an excavator or crane truck. I did see both the SR-71 and the concorde in person on tne USS Enterprise in NYC. I think TFC got the Blackbird right in comparison to the other jets. Maybe a little small but not too much. But the concorde was much longer than the SR-71. If they ever do a re-shell of the silverbolt figure as a concorde it would be out of scale. On the Hasbro Aerialbots, they make a great Superion Maximus, but just an OK G1 Superion in my opinion. And most people like Giant because of FP Bruticus and Superion and what they consider the perfect scale. I find it hard to believe they like the shovel/crane arms on Scavenger/Hook, or long haul having wings, or Scrapper/Bonecrusher having a cab on their chests. It was TFC making the bots more cartoon accurate that sold me on Herc. IM more of a cartoon accuracy type of guy. Ive never been big fan of the whole "Neo Classics" concept where something has to transform different and look modern in alt mode. For that we have Bayformers.

Not sure what people mean by calling Phantom "Cheap" feeling.
I got mine yesterday, ripped him open and was completely elated.
Funnest figure I've messed with, even though his knee guards poked a hole through
my finger that makes it hard to type.


Warning: do not try and slide the legs upward, before moving the knee guards back.
you will poke a hole in your finger, and it will bleed like a Mofo.

I think it's about time they should reveal Silverbolt's colors already...

Rated X wrote:I think it's about time they should reveal Silverbolt's colors already...

Shhh..... Silverbolt is fat!

Uranos has fallen far from the tree..

In arm mode there is only 30% elbow, Zero wrist articulation, and about 20% elbow articulation. Add that with the hand only having two points of articulation, instead of three like Herc..


I'm out!

Phantom is the one and only, if I don't decided to get rid of it.



dear TFC,

YOU SUCK!

RodimalToyota wrote:Uranos has fallen far from the tree..

In arm mode there is only 30% elbow, Zero wrist articulation, and about 20% elbow articulation. Add that with the hand only having two points of articulation, instead of three like Herc..


I'm out!

Phantom is the one and only, if I don't decided to get rid of it.



dear TFC,

YOU SUCK!

Add that to the existing QC issues with Phantom and I'm starting to wonder if I should cancel my Eagle and Blackbird pre-orders until those three or even all five have been released and some more reviews have been done. My budget is far too limited to waste this much money on something that could be a massive letdown.

Arctorro wrote:

RodimalToyota wrote:Uranos has fallen far from the tree..

In arm mode there is only 30% elbow, Zero wrist articulation, and about 20% elbow articulation. Add that with the hand only having two points of articulation, instead of three like Herc..


I'm out!

Phantom is the one and only, if I don't decided to get rid of it.



dear TFC,

YOU SUCK!

Add that to the existing QC issues with Phantom and I'm starting to wonder if I should cancel my Eagle and Blackbird pre-orders until those three or even all five have been released and some more reviews have been done. My budget is far too limited to waste this much money on something that could be a massive letdown.

Could be? He can't hold his gun with two hands!
It's cool to have each figure a nice figure, but if the gestalt of the characters
Is as a bad as this Arm, it's doomed. No wrist articulation means next to nothing with poses.
He might as well be G1, where the only gun action is facing down or facing forward.
He can't holding anything like Herc.

Dear TFC, fix this or get lost, without the wrist articulation and third finger joint, this isn't a 90$ figure.
More like 40$, and Hasbro-esque. Boo you!

His wrist turns on mine, did I miss something? You also get extra articulation out of the elbow if you extend the legs a bit. It seems fine to me.