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Re: TF Source has Shadow Commander in stock but...

Postby Counterpunch » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:58 pm

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Autobot032 wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:The thread's back, but some posts, including a large number of mine) are gone.

Counterpunch wrote:
alldarker wrote:
Razorclaw0000 wrote:
The Legend wrote:
Mach wrote:(...).

(...)
I wonder if this post will get deleted like the rest. :???:


We don't do that here (delete posts we don't agree with).


Well... Someone seems to have done so... There was a news item on here yesterday about the Shadow Scythers being in stock at TFSource, with a whole thread attached to that, which ALL got deleted, perhaps under pressure from a certain sponsor (cough...TFSOURCE...cough)?


No.

That wasn't it.


I believe you, I do, but then what was it?


It was moved to the admin-only forum until I had time to handle this situation and properly respond to users making inappropriate, unfair, and unfounded statements about Seibertron.com, myself, the staff, our rules here, and our business practices. I will not tolerate a witch hunt and I will not tolerate users giving others moral and ethic lessons while discussing unlicensed 3rd party products.


I didn't make unfounded statements about you or the people who work for you. I said ifs, maybes, stuff like that. They were posed as questions, not outright finger pointing.

The only finger pointing being done was towards Curt and TFSource, because he had lied to the people and there was proof, and there still is.

I didn't go after business practices, I didn't give anyone moral or ethical lessons, so I'm not sure why my posts were among those pulled. And I hope that a lot of the reasons you pulled them were aimed at other users, because I am only angry at Curt/TFSource, not you guys.


I'm saying this with all due respect, calm down and don't worry. You didn't do anything wrong and you weren't targeted.
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Re: TF Source has Shadow Commander in stock but...

Postby Autobot032 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:15 pm

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Counterpunch wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:The thread's back, but some posts, including a large number of mine) are gone.

Counterpunch wrote:
alldarker wrote:
Razorclaw0000 wrote:
The Legend wrote:
Mach wrote:(...).

(...)
I wonder if this post will get deleted like the rest. :???:


We don't do that here (delete posts we don't agree with).


Well... Someone seems to have done so... There was a news item on here yesterday about the Shadow Scythers being in stock at TFSource, with a whole thread attached to that, which ALL got deleted, perhaps under pressure from a certain sponsor (cough...TFSOURCE...cough)?


No.

That wasn't it.


I believe you, I do, but then what was it?


It was moved to the admin-only forum until I had time to handle this situation and properly respond to users making inappropriate, unfair, and unfounded statements about Seibertron.com, myself, the staff, our rules here, and our business practices. I will not tolerate a witch hunt and I will not tolerate users giving others moral and ethic lessons while discussing unlicensed 3rd party products.


I didn't make unfounded statements about you or the people who work for you. I said ifs, maybes, stuff like that. They were posed as questions, not outright finger pointing.

The only finger pointing being done was towards Curt and TFSource, because he had lied to the people and there was proof, and there still is.

I didn't go after business practices, I didn't give anyone moral or ethical lessons, so I'm not sure why my posts were among those pulled. And I hope that a lot of the reasons you pulled them were aimed at other users, because I am only angry at Curt/TFSource, not you guys.


I'm saying this with all due respect, calm down and don't worry. You didn't do anything wrong and you weren't targeted.


I appreciate the heads up. Thank you for that. I'm calm. I'm good.
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Re: TF Source has Shadow Commander in stock but...

Postby Seibertron » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:24 pm

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Autobot032 wrote:I didn't make unfounded statements about you or the people who work for you. I said ifs, maybes, stuff like that. They were posed as questions, not outright finger pointing.

The only finger pointing being done was towards Curt and TFSource, because he had lied to the people and there was proof, and there still is.

I didn't go after business practices, I didn't give anyone moral or ethical lessons, so I'm not sure why my posts were among those pulled. And I hope that a lot of the reasons you pulled them were aimed at other users, because I am only angry at Curt/TFSource, not you guys.


* sigh *

I never said anything about you. Your posts weren't deleted. They're right here in this thread. I mentioned a couple of posts back that I merged the two related threads.
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Re: TF Source has Shadow Commander in stock but...

Postby Autobot032 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:38 pm

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Seibertron wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:I didn't make unfounded statements about you or the people who work for you. I said ifs, maybes, stuff like that. They were posed as questions, not outright finger pointing.

The only finger pointing being done was towards Curt and TFSource, because he had lied to the people and there was proof, and there still is.

I didn't go after business practices, I didn't give anyone moral or ethical lessons, so I'm not sure why my posts were among those pulled. And I hope that a lot of the reasons you pulled them were aimed at other users, because I am only angry at Curt/TFSource, not you guys.


* sigh *

I never said anything about you. Your posts weren't deleted. They're right here in this thread. I mentioned a couple of posts back that I merged the two related threads.


There's no need to get upset.

It was already explained to me:

Autobot032 wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:The thread's back, but some posts, including a large number of mine) are gone.

Counterpunch wrote:
alldarker wrote:
Razorclaw0000 wrote:
The Legend wrote:
Mach wrote:(...).

(...)
I wonder if this post will get deleted like the rest. :???:


We don't do that here (delete posts we don't agree with).


Well... Someone seems to have done so... There was a news item on here yesterday about the Shadow Scythers being in stock at TFSource, with a whole thread attached to that, which ALL got deleted, perhaps under pressure from a certain sponsor (cough...TFSOURCE...cough)?


No.

That wasn't it.


I believe you, I do, but then what was it?


It was moved to the admin-only forum until I had time to handle this situation and properly respond to users making inappropriate, unfair, and unfounded statements about Seibertron.com, myself, the staff, our rules here, and our business practices. I will not tolerate a witch hunt and I will not tolerate users giving others moral and ethic lessons while discussing unlicensed 3rd party products.


I didn't make unfounded statements about you or the people who work for you. I said ifs, maybes, stuff like that. They were posed as questions, not outright finger pointing.

The only finger pointing being done was towards Curt and TFSource, because he had lied to the people and there was proof, and there still is.

I didn't go after business practices, I didn't give anyone moral or ethical lessons, so I'm not sure why my posts were among those pulled. And I hope that a lot of the reasons you pulled them were aimed at other users, because I am only angry at Curt/TFSource, not you guys.


I'm saying this with all due respect, calm down and don't worry. You didn't do anything wrong and you weren't targeted.


I appreciate the heads up. Thank you for that. I'm calm. I'm good.
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Re: TF Source has Shadow Commander in stock but...

Postby Seibertron » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:23 pm

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Autobot032 wrote:There's no need to get upset.

It was already explained to me


I'm not upset. Glad we're on the same page. :D
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby Amelie » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:26 pm

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I don't see the problem here. Its supply and demand, this is capitalism and the price goes up the the limit people are willing to pay. Its just a fact of being a toy collector, its pointless putting any moral issues into it - if some of us can't afford it, we'll just have to put up with it.

And whilst we're on the subject or site sponsors, I don't think that prices\customer service displays poorly on Seibetron.com - as a collector its rather handy to have links to online stores (especially when you've not heard of them). You'll read the odd tale of bad customer service, but that is out of thousands of transactions, all of which went perfectly - you can't penalise a sponsor (or the beneficiary) based on a tiny minority.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:58 pm

Seibs makes a good point about being morally outraged over the drastic price increase of an already morally questionable product.

I can't say TFSource handled this very well ... or that the entire idea was a very good one in the first place. But I'm not especially mad about it either. Still. I won't buy things I feel are overpriced. Nobody's forcing anybody to buy a Shadow Commander set for so much. So there's no real sense in so much fury over it. Amelie's got it right; it's capitalism. How the hobby works.

Personally, I preorder FP products because I expect them to drastically increase in price over a very short time. I don't expect reissues. The only times I've been wrong was for City Commander, which got a reissue (and a better version at that); and the trailer, which eventually went on sale. Preorder it or just forget about it and move on. There's LOTS of products that are worth buying.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby Court Jester » Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:24 am

I am a minority in this for certain. I truly am appreciative to your site for all the information you have provided and for all the members' insight into which I hold a childhood passion. In no way was it my intention in demonizing the acts of worthy sponsorship to take food out of hard working American's mouths or endanger their families, to shut down a community's site restricting debates such as these, nor would I ever downplay the importance of expression of others ideals or morals. If I have offended or endangered the site moderators or those who have funds to loose including all of its sponsors, I apologize. My intention was to bring to light, make light of, and to rethink some aspects of collecting. Make no mistake about it; this was/is a witch hunt. But with that label, in all of its implications of both sides of the hunt, you must ask why is it so important in the light of toys? If it's not important to you, I can respect that - you got bigger fish to fry. If it is important to you, say it, hold yourself to that standard, and stick up for it.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby Doctor McGrath » Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:38 am

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This thread is a little over the top..

Honestly, if I had the money to spend, I'd buy both sets.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby Seibertron » Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:11 pm

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We received the following message from TFsource.com regarding their Shadow Scyther figures.

TFsource.com wrote:The Shadow Scyther Raffle is officially complete!

There has been a lot of discussion regarding the remaining Shadow Scyther pieces that were made available through customer cancelations or being set aside initially for any defective returns. We have read the ongoing discussion and carefully taken into account all of the posts on the forums. Ultimately, we are here because of Transformers fans and we agree the best course of action is a solution that supports the best interest of the fans themselves.

We considered many options in order to come up with a solution that will please the majority of customers. Based on the popularity of one option, we have decided that the solution is a raffle with winners being randomly selected to purchase the remaining stock of Shadow Scyther for the original retail price. We feel this was the most unbiased and fair way to handle the remaining stock. Additionally we solicited input from the owners of select boards, as well as several established transformers fans and overall there was considerable support for this option.

Determining the Winners: Everyone who emailed us, or signed up for the personal assistant was included in the raffle. We used a random # generator, checked every customer history to ensure no one purchased one the first time around, and eliminated any duplicate emails to keep it fair. The winners will all be contacted by EOD today and receive the right to purchase 1 Shadow Scyther for the original retail price. If anyone declines or does not pay within the given time frame, we will go down the list to the next eligible customer.


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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby UltraPrimal » Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:01 pm

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Honestly, TFSource can **** themselves. I won't be buying anything from them anymore. Whether it be online or at a convention. Not after this bullshit.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby reluttr » Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:19 pm

UltraPrimal wrote:Honestly, TFSource can **** themselves. I won't be buying anything from them anymore. Whether it be online or at a convention. Not after this bullshit.


lol, welcome to the club. I haven't really bought anything from them since they inflated their shipping prices, if I am going to end up paying the same price after shipping then I might as well just go with bbts. At least they have POL, which is actually surprisingly usefull and if bbts doesnt have it then its probably the same price on ebay as it is on tfsource, and at least ebay has ebay bux...

Seriously though, after hearing all of the complaints about the set and its various QC problems I dunno if I would even pay original retail for shadow syther. Cause how do I know I wont get stuck with one with two right hands, or one thats missing the sythe... :S

Mabey whoever is making those "pretty much as good as FP's originals, but not as good" knockoffs of the city commander set will wise up and pump out a shadow scyther and cliffy set :???:
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby Stumpybot » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:17 pm

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I would be done with them but sadly ive got a ton of stuff on preorder and its easier to just let it go through than not pay and re-order with another company. In future tho im going with UK suppliers, it literally costs the same and theres no hassle. Tried BBTS but they seem to have issues getting things through UK customs.

I had no idea that was the entry criteria for the raffle, so basically im screwed there. Ive just bought Shadow Scythe on ebay for far less than the average secondary market value, still way more than i paid for City Commander tho. Must have been my lucky day, only bidder. Dont even own Wildrider or SG Rodimus, gonna keep it for Sideburn. Got Shadow Commander too lol, cost less than CC. Got stung, but at least i got 2 superb sets and a spare nemesis prime for the deal
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby JETFIRE XL » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:08 pm

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Wow am I one of the only one who thinks TFSOURCE still rocks. When I got my Shadow Commander back in 2009 it came from the factory with a defect.The first thing I did was contact Fansproject Then I hit up TFSOURCE. TFSOURCE customer service contacted me within hours.Two days later I had the new part and have been a customer from then on. TFSOURCE probaly had a few extra Shadow Scyther to replace any defective product and rember that not everyone who preordered these paid for them so I can see them having extras left over.Long story short If people really want this stuff and it's on preorder get it don't waite. I saw the preorder for SHADOW SCYTHER when it was still in stock and passed. But when the SNOWMAN kit came up I got it exclusives allways go up and price so when you see them get them before there gone.Oh and one more thing if TFSOURCE sucks so much then why do they get the FANSPROJECT exclusives every year they must be doin something right.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby Autobot032 » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:26 pm

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JETFIRE XL wrote:Wow am I one of the only one who thinks TFSOURCE still rocks. When I got my Shadow Commander back in 2009 it came from the factory with a defect.The first thing I did was contact Fansproject Then I hit up TFSOURCE. TFSOURCE customer service contacted me within hours.Two days later I had the new part and have been a customer from then on. TFSOURCE probaly had a few extra Shadow Scyther to replace any defective product and rember that not everyone who preordered these paid for them so I can see them having extras left over.Long story short If people really want this stuff and it's on preorder get it don't waite. I saw the preorder for SHADOW SCYTHER when it was still in stock and passed. But when the SNOWMAN kit came up I got it exclusives allways go up and price so when you see them get them before there gone.Oh and one more thing if TFSOURCE sucks so much then why do they get the FANSPROJECT exclusives every year they must be doin something right.


You're entitled to your opinion, but if you still feel this way after all the facts are out, then I have to wonder if you're not a shill for them.

They scalped their own exclusive, with joy. And tried to use guilt on the fans.

yeesh.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby reluttr » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:12 am

JETFIRE XL wrote:Wow am I one of the only one who thinks TFSOURCE still rocks. When I got my Shadow Commander back in 2009 it came from the factory with a defect.The first thing I did was contact Fansproject Then I hit up TFSOURCE. TFSOURCE customer service contacted me within hours.Two days later I had the new part and have been a customer from then on. TFSOURCE probaly had a few extra Shadow Scyther to replace any defective product and rember that not everyone who preordered these paid for them so I can see them having extras left over.Long story short If people really want this stuff and it's on preorder get it don't waite. I saw the preorder for SHADOW SCYTHER when it was still in stock and passed. But when the SNOWMAN kit came up I got it exclusives allways go up and price so when you see them get them before there gone.Oh and one more thing if TFSOURCE sucks so much then why do they get the FANSPROJECT exclusives every year they must be doin something right.


I'm not saying they suck, matter of fact I think they have pretty darn good customer service and Kurt's great. But there just isn't any motivation for me to shop there... Especially since BBTS has Pile-of-loot and ebay has eBay Bux, and of course the last few fiasco's are not helping Tfsource...

Ill be honest, tfsource just needs their own shopping gimmick to get back on top. I kinda wish they had something like POL, but a point reward system would be nice to :D
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby Counterpunch » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:17 am

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Autobot032 wrote:
JETFIRE XL wrote:Wow am I one of the only one who thinks TFSOURCE still rocks. When I got my Shadow Commander back in 2009 it came from the factory with a defect.The first thing I did was contact Fansproject Then I hit up TFSOURCE. TFSOURCE customer service contacted me within hours.Two days later I had the new part and have been a customer from then on. TFSOURCE probaly had a few extra Shadow Scyther to replace any defective product and rember that not everyone who preordered these paid for them so I can see them having extras left over.Long story short If people really want this stuff and it's on preorder get it don't waite. I saw the preorder for SHADOW SCYTHER when it was still in stock and passed. But when the SNOWMAN kit came up I got it exclusives allways go up and price so when you see them get them before there gone.Oh and one more thing if TFSOURCE sucks so much then why do they get the FANSPROJECT exclusives every year they must be doin something right.


You're entitled to your opinion, but if you still feel this way after all the facts are out, then I have to wonder if you're not a shill for them.

They scalped their own exclusive, with joy. And tried to use guilt on the fans.

yeesh.


It's not like writing "TFSOURCE" and "SHADOW SCYTHER" multiple times in all caps, in one post would help with Google results... ;)

TF Source has average prices that are occasionally more competitive than other shops. They have higher shipping costs but usually secure packaging (my Shadow Scyther was not well packed though. I'll be honest on that one.)

But there's no reason to choose them over another online retailer. There's just not. Everything that was said about the customer service angle can be said about BBTS and probably has been said more often about them.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby zodconvoy » Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:11 am

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While all of these shenanigans were going on, I got the first Crossfire set from TFSource but only because BBTS sold out in a couple hours and I missed it. I ordered it 4 days after shipping my Gen/RtS POL from BBTS and it arrived a day later. While BBTS is still where I'm going to do the bulk of my ordering, I'm not holding anything against TFSource. They're both still better than the "hurry up and wait" I have to go through dealing with HTS!
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby Ruthless Cynic » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:14 pm

I don't begrudge them from making a profit, the market is what it is, I just don't understand why Fans Project doesn't continue to produce these items. It seems to me as if it would be very lucrative for them.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby zodconvoy » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:28 pm

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Ruthless Cynic wrote:I don't begrudge them from making a profit, the market is what it is, I just don't understand why Fans Project doesn't continue to produce these items. It seems to me as if it would be very lucrative for them.


Over saturation. Look at CrazyDevy. Plus if they keep numbers low, they're less likely to get on Hasbro's radar.
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I think what it is s the fact they know if they sell it at retail, someone will buy it and then sell it for more money. This happened with the "Snowman" set back in 2009. Everyone balked at it then saw my ics posted and then they wanted it. TFsource had a few left over and raised the price to $119 from the original $49 that it was listed before they sold out. Being that the set was limited, and they sold out of their intial stock, the set had become vintage after the fact.

I never opened my shadow scyther set because I could not justify paying $500+ for henkei Wildrider or SG rodimus to complete the toy. I sold mine for $350 on ebay and left it at that.

If you don't get up on things when they are out, then you lose. TFsource has the right to raise the price once the initial stock is gone, and the fact that the consumer causes the price to go up, then I say go for it TFsource.

I have seen this so many times collecting treasure hunts within the Hot Wheels line.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby Counterpunch » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:38 pm

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bvzxa wrote:I think what it is s the fact they know if they sell it at retail, someone will buy it and then sell it for more money. This happened with the "Snowman" set back in 2009. Everyone balked at it then saw my ics posted and then they wanted it. TFsource had a few left over and raised the price to $119 from the original $49 that it was listed before they sold out. Being that the set was limited, and they sold out of their intial stock, the set had become vintage after the fact.

I never opened my shadow scyther set because I could not justify paying $500+ for henkei Wildrider or SG rodimus to complete the toy. I sold mine for $350 on ebay and left it at that.

If you don't get up on things when they are out, then you lose. TFsource has the right to raise the price once the initial stock is gone, and the fact that the consumer causes the price to go up, then I say go for it TFsource.

I have seen this so many times collecting treasure hunts within the Hot Wheels line.


It's not really their job to police the after market and it's certainly not their job to deter scalping by making a handsome profit.

What you're leaving out is that they had a waiting list of people who wanted to purchase those toys and that waiting list was told that they would have a chance at the unpaid items and left overs. Instead, TF Source listed those items to sell at a 365% mark up.

They were playing games with this item. They got called on it. It's just that simple. I don't think they should ever get another exclusive product from Fansproject.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby Nemesis251 » Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:33 pm

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Counterpunch wrote:It's not really their job to police the after market and it's certainly not their job to deter scalping by making a handsome profit.

What you're leaving out is that they had a waiting list of people who wanted to purchase those toys and that waiting list was told that they would have a chance at the unpaid items and left overs. Instead, TF Source listed those items to sell at a 365% mark up.

They were playing games with this item. They got called on it. It's just that simple. I don't think they should ever get another exclusive product from Fansproject.


I agree.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby Kibble » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:50 am

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Can we boycott BBTS, too? They raised the price on the Superion upgrade from $50 to $70...

I say that in jest, but to some extent, what's the diff? The preorders were all $50, but once the shipment came in all subsequent pieces were marked up to $70...presumably because they were going for over $100 on the secondary market.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby Counterpunch » Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:56 am

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Kibble wrote:Can we boycott BBTS, too? They raised the price on the Superion upgrade from $50 to $70...

I say that in jest, but to some extent, what's the diff? The preorders were all $50, but once the shipment came in all subsequent pieces were marked up to $70...presumably because they were going for over $100 on the secondary market.


That's the kind of cost increase that is indicative of a second production run of smaller numbers.

It's different from outright holding product back that was essentially promised to customers and then selling it for a 365% mark up.
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