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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby robofreak » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:40 pm

I'm coming into this late in the game, but after reading a few pages, i gave up reading the entire thread. I've been gone for a while, so forgive my ignorance on the issue.

So let me get this straight. FanProject created a black repaint/remold of the Protector set and then made it a TFSource exclusive correct? Okay, from there the preorders came and went and were then sold out with those who didn't get their order in scrambling to get their hands on it.

Now TFSource is saying that they actually had some leftover from a secret stash and then announced it on facebook that they were holding the product for a rainy day. Not only did they withold product, but they also marked it price up to about $200 above it normal price. This then caused a backlash from a large portion of the internet fandom in the form of this thread. TFSource has since deleted said posts about a secret stash from their facebook along with anything else that threw mud at their name.

Realizing they got caught with their pants down, they decided it was best to raffle the remaining Shadow Scythe sets for original retail at which point we don't even know if they did that.

Now I think I'm back up to pace with the current issue, but if I'm not, I'd love to be filled in. What bugs me here is the obvious price gouge from TFSource. I remember when City Commander first came out and then promptly sold out on BBTS. About 3 weeks after the fact, BBTS put more up for sale as they had finished a massive warehouse sort in which they found them. (If I remember right they ended up getting a ton of product that week which cause a backlog on the order) However, when they put them back up for sale, they were at normal retail even though City Commander was going for significantly more at that point.

Why did I bring up that situation? Because to me, that's honest business. To me it's dishonest to withold your own exclusive product and then sell it for more. I know it can be a honest mistake during a warehouse sort to misplace product. It happened all the time in my Dad's store, but at that point it should either be taken to ebay or put it up for sale at the store for either clearance pricing or retail.

I don't think this would have caused much of an issue had they been smarter about selling them. The could have very easily put them on ebay under ID names that no fan would have recognized and no one would have been any wiser. Instead, they publicly announce that they were intentionally holding back only to make a good profit off the fandom.

I think TFSource has learned a valuable lesson from this and will hopefully apply it to their business practices. I having never purchased from them cannot vouch for anything that they do. I will most likely one day give them a shot, but for right now, BBTS is able to supply all my TF needs.

I actually wish I had been here when Shadow Scythe was released. I don't own Henkei Wildrider or SG Rodimus, but I would have bought it for that day when I would buy it. If FP does end up making an Asian market exclusive then I'll probably pick it up.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby Kibble » Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:16 pm

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Counterpunch wrote:That's the kind of cost increase that is indicative of a second production run of smaller numbers.

It's different from outright holding product back that was essentially promised to customers and then selling it for a 365% mark up.


Doesn't really explain why the pre-orders for the second run were $50, though. I gotta assume they knew their costs when they posted the pre-order price. What changed between the pre-order listing and when they received the stock other than the secondary market and what RobotKingdom started selling them for?

Either way, clearly there's a difference, I see that (that's why I said 'to some extent')...nor do I condone it. Just playing devil's advocate.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:41 pm

If there's no difference to you between a $20 markup and a $200 markup, then I guess there isn't any difference in the siatuation.

Except TFSource promised to sell new stock to the people who ordered it and lost out.

TFSource handled it very badly. I won't think twice about shopping there, but it does color my perception of the place.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby robofreak » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:06 pm

There's a lot of difference between a $20 and $200 mark up.

Why are Botcon figures so much? It's because of low production runs compared to their retail counterparts. It's a lot harder for a factory that does stuff on a large scale to have to make a small production run. An extra $20 helps make up for the extra work needed to produce the figures. A $200 markup is an obvious sign of trying to cash in on a already crazy market. TFSource basically decided to trade their gold bars in for cash.

The Superion add-on looks like it's getting another run in smaller numbers. That drives up costs when they do it on a smaller scale. Now if they were to triple the production run then they would be able to keep the cost down. Small scale is always going to be expensive.

This is a matter of old stock that was intentionally withheld and then price-gouged by it's own store. It would be very different if someone like BBTS had somehow ended up with Shadow Scyther stock whether through a warehouse find or other means.

Basically TFSource took their "baby" so to speak and then abused it.

Regardless of what anyone says in this thread, we're going to end up with the following opinions.

1. Business being lost over the matter due to people not appreciating sketchy business matters.
2. People still buying from them, but now watching with a eye of caution
3. People that will still give them a chance even after the whole fiasco
4. People that want FP to make a Asian Market exclusive to screw them over because we humans have a sick-twisted idea of revenge
5. People that just don't care as long as it doesn't effect them.

There's other opinions as well, but that's the general trend I'm seeing right now.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby Kibble » Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:46 pm

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Kibble wrote:Either way, clearly there's a difference, I see that (that's why I said 'to some extent')...nor do I condone it. Just playing devil's advocate.

Apparently this part was missed... If it makes anyone feel better, I bought one of the $70 Superion kits.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby zodconvoy » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:43 pm

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Kibble wrote:Apparently this part was missed... If it makes anyone feel better, I bought one of the $70 Superion kits.


Yeah, me too. I wasn't aware of the details about the Shadow Scyther but this is an unbelievable level of superdickery.

I just saw a pic of the SS set on the crystal Hot Rod and now I want one but after all this KOToys looks like it'll be the only option.

Seriously, look at this thing and tell me this doesn't make a kick ass the Fallen:
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby ZenPrime » Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:26 pm

zodconvoy wrote:Seriously, look at this thing and tell me this doesn't make a kick ass the Fallen:
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WOW, after seeing that pic, I'm really glad I brought the Sons of Cybertron set just for the crystal Rodimus. Now if FanProject would just do a re-release of the Shadow Scyther :PRAY:
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby ZenPrime » Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:52 pm

Here's a thought, has anybody started an on-line petition to urge FanProject to make another run of the Shadow Scyther? I mean they did do just that with the DIA Commander. Who's to say with a little nudge from the fandom FP won't do another run, maybe with a little different color accents and a different weapon? A huge battle axe? Gundam hammer? Personally I would like to see one with dual katanas. From what I read on this topic there are plenty of people that would love to get another crack to own this set, certainly we can make FP realize that it's opportunity too good for them to pass up.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby Kibble » Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:46 am

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That clear Rodimus looks friggin' sweet with that armor, but I'm curious how it looks without back lighting as it would spend 99.9% of its life without a light shining on its back if it were a part of my collection. But unless these things were sold at retail price again, it's pretty moot as there's 0% chance I'll pony out 3 or 4 bills for it for that reason...
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby zodconvoy » Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:30 am

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Kibble wrote:That clear Rodimus looks friggin' sweet with that armor, but I'm curious how it looks without back lighting as it would spend 99.9% of its life without a light shining on its back if it were a part of my collection. But unless these things were sold at retail price again, it's pretty moot as there's 0% chance I'll pony out 3 or 4 bills for it for that reason...


Same but if KOToys were to do it I'd get it. At this point it'd be cheaper to get a Protector and paint/dye it. At least that way I could change things without losing resale potential. Altering something of that (albeit artificially inflated) value would be an insurance nightmare!
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Postby Stumpybot » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:30 pm

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I was going to wait for sideburn to use my ss on, now im thinking crystal rodimus. cant decide between waiting for ehobby blue one or shell out for soc set. Anybody got opinion on colour schemes?
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby Kibble » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:51 pm

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Why limit yourself? Get both and swap 'em out whenever you so feel inclined.
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby craggy » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:20 pm

threadomancy, but it's difficult to find pics. Anyone have any of the Crystal Rodimus in the Protector armour?
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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby ZenPrime » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:47 pm

craggy wrote:threadomancy, but it's difficult to find pics. Anyone have any of the Crystal Rodimus in the Protector armour?


I have my Sons of Cybertron crystal Rodimus wearing the Protector armor. Had to use the crystal Rodimus since my classic Roddy is in storage...
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Postby craggy » Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:25 pm

great, thanks for that. Anyone have any pictures, or can direct me to some? I'm considering getting the Crystal set (despite Optimus) and wondering how Hot Rod would look in my Protector armour.
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Postby ZenPrime » Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:14 pm

Here's mine, sorry for the bad lighting and poor quality (shot with my phone camera).

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Re: TFsource has Shadow Commander and Shadow Scyther listed on their site but...

Postby craggy » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:26 pm

thanks, Zen, the pics do give me a better idea of how he'll fit. Of course, now if I do buy Crystal Rodimus, I'll probably end up buying the new clear Protector. arg!
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