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My brother actually told me abut this by accident today.

I've been collecting Cap since Vol. 3 #7, and I have pretty much ever issue of the main series since Heroes Reborn. It's the only comic series I ever collected monthly(besides Transformers), and if they're ending it, I'm ticked.

So, is there gonna be a Cap #26, or are they gonna do ANOTHER relaunch?

Either way, I'm going to the comic shop this Saturday.

I don't buy it. If it was The Punisher who shot Cap, then why did he need two pretty lousy shots to drop him, a shot to the shoulder and one in the stomach. I doubt Punisher is that off his game to miss vitals like that.

Unless it's for an alterior reason. Like maybe Cap isn't really dead, just made a deal with the Punisher in order to make people think Cap is dead, so he can do some guerilla stuff.

The SHIELD agent, the one Steve Rogers was in love with, she was the one that delivered the killing blow.

She was a sleeper agent, I have to assume of Red Skull.

Also, it occurs to me that this Cap is most likely a LMD (Life Model Decoy), which would set up Cap's return as Ronin later on.

Senor Hugo wrote:I don't buy it. If it was The Punisher who shot Cap, then why did he need two pretty lousy shots to drop him, a shot to the shoulder and one in the stomach. I doubt Punisher is that off his game to miss vitals like that.

Unless it's for an alterior reason. Like maybe Cap isn't really dead, just made a deal with the Punisher in order to make people think Cap is dead, so he can do some guerilla stuff.

What about the shooter on the grassy knoll?

Yeah there is no way that Cap is dead. Just won't happen. I am really liking the development of Punisher lately. Very interesting.

Ok I have a dumb question

Didn't CA die a few years ago and make a comeback recently?

Wheeljack35 wrote:Ok I have a dumb question

Didn't CA die a few years ago and make a comeback recently?

No, not really.

But over the past 50 years, there have been about 4 Captain Americas. The current one, is also the original one. The others have either gone nuts, or taken different mantles, ie US Agent

Wheeljack35 wrote:Ok I have a dumb question

Didn't CA die a few years ago and make a comeback recently?

I still don't know what to make of that. In Captain America Vol. 3 #50, Cap got a call from a "kid" saying that they found an unexploded bomb in an abandoned military base(or thereabouts, don't feel like digging out the issue). Well, Cap rushes to the scene, only to be swarmed by a whole bunch of really old Nazi's wearing Red Skull masks, and Cap doesn't want to hurt 'em, so he gets captured. They then tie him up, and set up a bomb, with the intent to kill Cap and themselves. Well, the bomb goes off, and the body isn't found, nor is his shield. The rest of the issue goes on about how Cap was a hero, and how other heroes(and in some cases, villains),and regular people, mourneed his passing. The issue ends with a page showcasing a lot of heroes around a casket. It was a really good issue, btw.

Well, Cap took a little hiatus, and came back a couple months later in "Dead Men Running", a three issue mini-series, with no allusions to how he made it out of the bomb. After that, there was another series that ran around 38 issues or so. I didn't like the majority of those issues, I found them boring, and most were five parters. The best issues were the four part alternate reality ish's(18-21 I think). Then they relaunched AGAIN with Brubaker as the writer, and that's the current series, and it's really good. And it had better not end at #25.

So, uh, did they ever address how he made it out? Cause like I said, the only Marvel comic I collect monthly is Cap. Any other comics besides Transformers I collect are strictly back-issues, which is fun cause they usually go pretty cheap.

Duke of Luns wrote:

Wheeljack35 wrote:Ok I have a dumb question

Didn't CA die a few years ago and make a comeback recently?

I still don't know what to make of that. In Captain America Vol. 3 #50, Cap got a call from a "kid" saying that they found an unexploded bomb in an abandoned military base(or thereabouts, don't feel like digging out the issue). Well, Cap rushes to the scene, only to be swarmed by a whole bunch of really old Nazi's wearing Red Skull masks, and Cap doesn't want to hurt 'em, so he gets captured. They then tie him up, and set up a bomb, with the intent to kill Cap and themselves. Well, the bomb goes off, and the body isn't found, nor is his shield. The rest of the issue goes on about how Cap was a hero, and how other heroes(and in some cases, villains),and regular people, mourneed his passing. The issue ends with a page showcasing a lot of heroes around a casket. It was a really good issue, btw.

Well, Cap took a little hiatus, and came back a couple months later in "Dead Men Running", a three issue mini-series, with no allusions to how he made it out of the bomb. After that, there was another series that ran around 38 issues or so. I didn't like the majority of those issues, I found them boring, and most were five parters. The best issues were the four part alternate reality ish's(18-21 I think). Then they relaunched AGAIN with Brubaker as the writer, and that's the current series, and it's really good. And it had better not end at #25.

So, uh, did they ever address how he made it out? Cause like I said, the only Marvel comic I collect monthly is Cap. Any other comics besides Transformers I collect are strictly back-issues, which is fun cause they usually go pretty cheap.

Cap punched Hitler.

old nazis + Tied up + bomb =/= Dead Cap.

Lovers shooting Cap in the stomach = Dead Cap.

Counterpunch wrote:

Wheeljack35 wrote:Ok I have a dumb question

Didn't CA die a few years ago and make a comeback recently?

No, not really.

But over the past 50 years, there have been about 4 Captain Americas. The current one, is also the original one. The others have either gone nuts, or taken different mantles, ie US Agent

Wow I never knew this Thanks for the info

I read somewhere that he didn't actually die, but is being "worked" on in the raft.


Won't get to the comic shop till Fri. so I really don't know.

i wont get my new books tilltomorrow so i will have to suffer. but with counterpunchs' theory about cap being ronin is sound. but in last months new avengers the new ronin says "i didnt know their was banter. i dont do banter."

Yeah after reading it he isn't dead. I'll scan it if anyone wants me too.

Sad if they really kill him. He is an icon for Marvel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America

Seems there were two shooters...Sharon Carter (mind control) and Crossbones.

Dynamax wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America

Seems there were two shooters...Sharon Carter (mind control) and Crossbones.

Yea, Sharon as a sleeper agent finds the wounded Cap and shoves a gun into his belly, pulling the trigger.

Cap looks pretty dead at that point.

(I think the body is. I also am 90% positive that the dead 'Cap' we've seen is a LMD)

Rodimus Lantern wrote:I'll scan it if anyone wants me too.

Already done.

Spoiler: The Death of the Dream

I believe Marvel has stated that Cap is dead. But as the old saying goes, in comics, when does anyone stay truly dead? And come on, this is friggen Cap!

jprime69 wrote:I believe Marvel has stated that Cap is dead. But as the old saying goes, in comics, when does anyone stay truly dead? And come on, this is friggen Cap!

Read all of the Comics that came out this week. He isn't dead people!!!!!!!!!

Rodimus Lantern wrote:

jprime69 wrote:I believe Marvel has stated that Cap is dead. But as the old saying goes, in comics, when does anyone stay truly dead? And come on, this is friggen Cap!

Read all of the Comics that came out this week. He isn't dead people!!!!!!!!!

Did that. He still seems pretty dead to me. I think it's funny that people on politically heavy news shows are saying that it was irresponsible for Marvel to kill Captain America in a time of war.

God Magnus wrote:

Rodimus Lantern wrote:

jprime69 wrote:I believe Marvel has stated that Cap is dead. But as the old saying goes, in comics, when does anyone stay truly dead? And come on, this is friggen Cap!

Read all of the Comics that came out this week. He isn't dead people!!!!!!!!!

Did that. He still seems pretty dead to me. I think it's funny that people on politically heavy news shows are saying that it was irresponsible for Marvel to kill Captain America in a time of war.

Whew, I found out that Cap will still be published after #25

from the forums of marveltoys.net

"Captain America will continue to be published despite the very real death of Steve Rogers.

And while I still haven't gotten the issue yet, why would the comic live on if the title character was dead? Steve Rogers and Captain America are synonimous with one another, they wouldn't drop a new Cap in there like that. However, if they did, it would be a gutsy move. Even more gutsy than the well written revival of Bucky.

Duke of Luns wrote:Steve Rogers and Captain America are synonimous with one another, they wouldn't drop a new Cap in there like that. However, if they did, it would be a gutsy move. Even more gutsy than the well written revival of Bucky.

Gutsy?

Nah. Stark will just choose a replacement, someone he can control. Heck, Stark'll just clone Steve and use him as propoganda for The Initiative.

A Wiseman once wrote:Absolutely NO ONE in comic books stays dead.

Yeah, he'll be ressurected eventually. Everyone in DC has died at least once, right? Marvel can do it too. They brought Uncle Ben back to life, and his death was the most important thing to happen to Spider-Man.

I thought this was an stellar issue! Ed Brubaker is one hell of a writer. I've been following this since #1 and I can't get enough of it.

As for Captain America's death...

Ed Brubaker said that Cap's dead and there are 2 more years worth of the Captain America book! So he's building up some kinda grand mystery.

Of course I don't buy that Steve's dead. Bendis killed off Hawkeye and he returned a year later. Even Brubaker killed Foggy Nelson but elegantly brought him back from the "dead" (we assume he's dead but he's actually in the witness protection program).

Brubaker keeps his readers on his toes so we'll learn what really happens in #26's autopsy.

It's a bold move for Marvel. I hope they don't screw this up.