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Re: The Dr Who (and spin-offs) Thread *potential spoilers*

Postby JazZeke » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:43 pm

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Chibnall just literally pulled a "Curse of the Fatal Death" and tried to play it straight. "You traveled back in time to set up your plan through history, so I traveled in time to sabotage it." This show has become its own parody. He even had the Master get stranded and burst in complaining about how long he's been stranded!

Also, no explanation for why the Master has done a complete 180 on character development. They went from "I just want my friend back" to "When I kill you, I expect you to stay dead!" with no in between. They're just steamrolling right ahead as if none of that ever happened. And you talk about his rage, but that's ALL the guy is playing, it's such a one-note performance that doesn't match up to a character who spent years playing a role, infiltrating MI-6, and then laying low for 78 years waiting to catch up to his own timeline. Showing that level of patience and flying off the handle so readily do not match up.

Honestly, this two-parter burned up the last of my good will for Chibnall, and I'm speaking as someone who originally had a lot of hope for this era.
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Re: The Dr Who (and spin-offs) Thread *potential spoilers*

Postby Burn » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:10 am

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I shouldn't have been surprised that we'd go from two good eps, to complete ****.

Why come up with something new when you can rip off Aliens (complete with "get away from her" line) and Fourth Doctors "Full Circle" while also managing to sneak in climate change as this weeks agenda push.

It had potential but ... let down again by terrible writing, and again, one too many companions. Jodie really does deserve better.
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Re: The Dr Who (and spin-offs) Thread *potential spoilers*

Postby JazZeke » Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:05 pm

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Mediocre episode, decent message, completely spoiled at the end by the Saturday Morning Cartoon PSA speech.
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Re: The Dr Who (and spin-offs) Thread *potential spoilers*

Postby Burn » Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:10 am

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Well ... holy ****, what an episode. All we knew was that the Judoon would be returning in this episode.

And then, we heard the voice and Captain Jack was back to set up for the rest of the series.

But why stop there? Then came the biggest twist in DW history. I'd heard rumours that they were going to re-write history and make it so that Hartnell was NOT the First Doctor, but rather that there was an entire regeneration cycle before him, and it looks like this is where they might be heading. It'll all no doubt tie into The Timeless Child and The Master's "everything we were told was a lie".

As much as I'd like to see this being a Doctor from another reality, I think it's more a case of something major happening in Galifrey's past that resulted in a lot of history being erased, including the existence of many Time Lord lives.

Aside from Orphan 55, this has been a bloody good season, though I still feel Jodie hasn't quite had her chance to "be The Doctor" (Doctor Ruth actually seemed more of a Doctor sadly), but she's getting there.
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Re: The Dr Who (and spin-offs) Thread *potential spoilers*

Postby JazZeke » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:49 am

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It was definitely an intriguing episode with a couple really intriguing twists... but I'm really nervous about what Chibnall is planning. He can't even pull off smaller-scale stories, he absolutely has not earned my trust to handle big, canon-redefining events like what he seems to be setting up.

That being said, I did like this alternate Doctor. I daresay she's got more gravitas for the role than Whittaker herself.
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Re: The Dr Who (and spin-offs) Thread *potential spoilers*

Postby JazZeke » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:42 am

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You know what, I WANT to like Jodie, I’ve been routing for her the whole time, I even gave her the benefit of the doubt because the writing of Chibnall’s era has been really shoddy… but I think if I need to be honest, she is probably my second or third least favorite Doctor. She handles the humor and lightheartedness of the character well enough, but when she tries to swing into dark/moody/angry she’s about as intimidating as a growling corgi puppy.

I mean, in merely one-third of an episode, Jo Martin completely blew her out of the water as the Doctor in terms of sheer presence.
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Re: The Dr Who (and spin-offs) Thread *potential spoilers*

Postby Burn » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:28 am

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JazZeke wrote:You know what, I WANT to like Jodie, I’ve been routing for her the whole time, I even gave her the benefit of the doubt because the writing of Chibnall’s era has been really shoddy… but I think if I need to be honest, she is probably my second or third least favorite Doctor. She handles the humor and lightheartedness of the character well enough, but when she tries to swing into dark/moody/angry she’s about as intimidating as a growling corgi puppy.

I mean, in merely one-third of an episode, Jo Martin completely blew her out of the water as the Doctor in terms of sheer presence.


I've tried so hard to give Jodie a chance, I've made excuses like the bad writing ... but you're right. In the space of a few minutes Jo Martin was more of a Doctor than Jodie has been in 1.5 seasons.

But ... we could be getting ahead of ourselves. It was only one episode. Both parts of Spyfall were good, then along came Orphan 55. Chibnall is likely to lead the writers down a bad path, or he could surprise us.

So I'll stay positive and keep an open mind, and possibly stay off Doctor Who social media. The negativity and over the top positivity ... there's just no middle ground there.
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Re: The Dr Who (and spin-offs) Thread *potential spoilers*

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:09 am

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Postby Cyber Bishop » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:21 pm

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Burn wrote:In the space of a few minutes Jo Martin was more of a Doctor than Jodie has been in 1.5 seasons..


She was awesome!!!
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Re: The Dr Who (and spin-offs) Thread *potential spoilers*

Postby Burn » Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:16 pm

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This weeks episode ... social awareness theme this week was mental health, which is a good thing.

Overall though, this was a pretty stupid episode.

Are we expected to believe that this all powerful immortal being, who, with his best mate, manipulated two planets into going to war, an all powerful immortal being who likes to think he's better than the Celestial Toymaker and The Guardians, is really just a creepy old dude who likes to give wet willies with his detachable fingers and then leaving the fingers hanging out to dry like underwear?

Come on Chibnall ...

As for The Doctor's escape by flicking her hips and tossing the sonic up to her hand, that was complete and utter bullshit and I shouldn't even be getting annoyed by it, but I did!

Graham once again was brilliant, I've decided that if (JW's) The Doctor hurts Graham then I will forever hate this incarnation.

Yaz finally got some character development, as did Ryan's best mate.

This season, while it's been a great improvement over the previous season, is still so hit and miss though.
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Re: The Dr Who (and spin-offs) Thread *potential spoilers*

Postby JazZeke » Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:22 pm

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Doctor Who has a real problem with pacing these days. Chibnall’s stories are more like story elements thrown into a blender. One minute it’s a mystery, then halfway through the villains expodump everything and stand in some random street looking menacing and talking about doing evil but not really doing it while the Doctor hangs back until she can come up a way to out-technobabble them.
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