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Shadowman wrote:The really funny thing is, you never actually gave any proof for your arguments. I mean, there was that NASA quote (Which had nothing to do with establishing offworld colonies as an alternative to fixing the planet, but instead simply for the sake of establishing offworld colonies) and that link about the Buffalo, but your argument fell flat since they aren't extinct.

So, if you really want to make it look like you know what you're talking about, give me some links that support your arguments. Because right now, I can easily counter-point anything you say since you haven't proven anything.

But to answer the older question: Would we enslave an alien species to help rebuild our planet? The answer: No, we're currently doing that by ourselves.

1. well the evolution argument is qa case of i you believe in evolution. if you do then you will have come across adapt or die, the selfish gene, the way a species will strive to perserve itself at the cost of others. If you dont believe in evolution then it wont mean anything

what links do you want, the origin of the species. its not a link but a book. start there and work forward. not being condescending but asking for a handy made link for evolution theory isnt that simple.

2. lack of food is cause of famine

Links to wasted food by households
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/pri ... 66192.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story ... 83,00.html
http://www.sciencenetlinks.com/sci_update.php?DocID=247
http://www.emagazine.com/daily-news/mou ... food-waste

cause of famine in ethopia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984%E2%80 ... n_Ethiopia

cause of famine in ireland
obstensibly failure of potato. but why did the irish rely primarily on this staple and only this staple
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_%28Ireland%29

shamone wrote:1. well the evolution argument is qa case of i you believe in evolution. if you do then you will have come across adapt or die, the selfish gene, the way a species will strive to perserve itself at the cost of others. If you dont believe in evolution then it wont mean anything

Close, but no cigar. Basically, a member of a species will develop a trait that allows it to survive in its environment, allowing it to mate more and, as a result, pass along these traits. Not only have we, as humans, stopped developing new traits, we also see deviation from the norm as undesirable in a mate. Likewise, we no longer have a need to develop, as, like I explained, we adapt our environment to suit us instead of the other way around.

Likewise, preservation of both the species and self isn't part of evolution. It's correct, it's been proven, but it has nothing to do with evolution. While it is a part of genetics, it doesn't have anything to do with evolution.

shamone wrote:what links do you want, the origin of the species. its not a link but a book. start there and work forward. not being condescending but asking for a handy made link for evolution theory isnt that simple.

Yes, but most people tend to get it wrong; mutation doesn't happen on purpose, it happens by coincidence and, if those new traits allow you to live longer, luck.

shamone wrote:Links to wasted food by households

Irrelevant; me not eating the full bowl of Cheerios I poured has nothing to do with why people in Ehthiopia don't have any Cherrios.

shamone wrote:cause of famine in ethopia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984%E2%80 ... n_Ethiopia

cause of famine in ireland
obstensibly failure of potato. but why did the irish rely primarily on this staple and only this staple
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_%28Ireland%29

Er...remind me again what you were trying to prove? I thought "Famine is a shortage of food" was my argument. Which gains credit as that's exactly what this link says. Also it's the actual definition in the dictionary. And it's what both of those links you posted said. True, economic and sociological issues were involved, but the ultimate result was a shortage of food in both cases.

Shadowman wrote:

shamone wrote:1. well the evolution argument is qa case of i you believe in evolution. if you do then you will have come across adapt or die, the selfish gene, the way a species will strive to perserve itself at the cost of others. If you dont believe in evolution then it wont mean anything

Close, but no cigar. Basically, a member of a species will develop a trait that allows it to survive in its environment, allowing it to mate more and, as a result, pass along these traits. Not only have we, as humans, stopped developing new traits, we also see deviation from the norm as undesirable in a mate. Likewise, we no longer have a need to develop, as, like I explained, we adapt our environment to suit us instead of the other way around.

Likewise, preservation of both the species and self isn't part of evolution. It's correct, it's been proven, but it has nothing to do with evolution. While it is a part of genetics, it doesn't have anything to do with evolution.

shamone wrote:what links do you want, the origin of the species. its not a link but a book. start there and work forward. not being condescending but asking for a handy made link for evolution theory isnt that simple.

Yes, but most people tend to get it wrong; mutation doesn't happen on purpose, it happens by coincidence and, if those new traits allow you to live longer, luck.

shamone wrote:Links to wasted food by households

Irrelevant; me not eating the full bowl of Cheerios I poured has nothing to do with why people in Ehthiopia don't have any Cherrios.

shamone wrote:cause of famine in ethopia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984%E2%80 ... n_Ethiopia

cause of famine in ireland
obstensibly failure of potato. but why did the irish rely primarily on this staple and only this staple
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_%28Ireland%29

Er...remind me again what you were trying to prove? I thought "Famine is a shortage of food" was my argument. Which gains credit as that's exactly what this link says. Also it's the actual definition in the dictionary. And it's what both of those links you posted said. True, economic and sociological issues were involved, but the ultimate result was a shortage of food in both cases.

1. if we have stopped evolving how come we are growing taller for example. im sorry but you are incorrect there.

genetics is a branch of evolution theory

2. you said and i quote


Well if there's enough food to go around, why is starvation such a problem?

those links prove there is enough to go around, if distributed properly, or if we looked beyond economic concerns. its like saying that world war one was the result of gavrilo princip.

the lack of food stemmed from the other situations, so the shortage of food in the world is not the issue

3.

shamone wrote:1. if we have stopped evolving how come we are growing taller for example. im sorry but you are incorrect there.

Who's "we?" Height ranges vastly from person to person.

shamone wrote:genetics is a branch of evolution theory

Other way around.

shamone wrote:2. you said and i quote


Well if there's enough food to go around, why is starvation such a problem?

those links prove there is enough to go around, if distributed properly, or if we looked beyond economic concerns. its like saying that world war one was the result of gavrilo princip.

the lack of food stemmed from the other situations, so the shortage of food in the world is not the issue

Read that link you posted on Ethiopian famine. One of the first things it mentioned was record low rainfall, which means crop failure, which means not enough food.

shamone wrote:3.

That's actually the best point you've made in this entire thread.

I'm gonna go back to ignoring you now. I thought getting you to try and post proof of your arguments would help, but all you ended up doing was misinterpreting it.

Shadowman wrote:

shamone wrote:1. if we have stopped evolving how come we are growing taller for example. im sorry but you are incorrect there.

Who's "we?" Height ranges vastly from person to person.

shamone wrote:genetics is a branch of evolution theory

Other way around.

shamone wrote:2. you said and i quote


Well if there's enough food to go around, why is starvation such a problem?

those links prove there is enough to go around, if distributed properly, or if we looked beyond economic concerns. its like saying that world war one was the result of gavrilo princip.

the lack of food stemmed from the other situations, so the shortage of food in the world is not the issue

Read that link you posted on Ethiopian famine. One of the first things it mentioned was record low rainfall, which means crop failure, which means not enough food.

shamone wrote:3.

That's actually the best point you've made in this entire thread.

I'm gonna go back to ignoring you now. I thought getting you to try and post proof of your arguments would help, but all you ended up doing was misinterpreting it.

deliberately obtuse again, and ignorant

1 humanity has been growing progressively taller, average height is what i emant by "we", but you knew that anyway.

so bottom line you are saying we have reached the peak of our evolution and thats that.

2 you said there was not enough food in the world to meet need. thats the point you ignore. tell me do you still believe that fallacy

3 you didnt read the link to ethopia did you. this is here it began


In 1973, a famine in Wollo killed an estimated 40,000 to 80,000, mostly of the marginalized Afar herders and Oromo tenant farmers, who suffered from the widespread confiscation of land by the wealthy classes and government of Emperor Haile Selassie. Despite attempts to suppress news of this famine, leaked reports contributed to the undermining of the government's legitimacy and served as a rallying point for dissidents. In 1974, a group of Marxist soldiers known as the Derg overthrew Haile Selassie. The Derg addressed the Wollo famine by creating the Relief and Rehabilitation Commission (RRC) to examine the causes of the famine and prevent its recurrence, and then abolishing feudal tenure on March 1975. The RRC initially enjoyed more independence from the Derg than any other ministry, largely due to its close ties to foreign donors and the quality of some its senior staff. As a result, insurgencies began to spread into the countries administrative regions.[9]

4 furthermore humanity influence is linked to famine and destruction

Global dimming, the blocking of sunlight by man-made particulates, has been identified as one culprit for a decades-long drought across sub-Saharan Africa, including Ethiopia.[16]