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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby YRQRM0 » Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:03 pm

What's wrong with a live action series? Assuming they were willing to put up the budget, it could allow for a lot more drama and TF character development than the movies. Have some human episodes, some more TF-focused episodes. Why not? Transformers have been on TV forever, why not have a live action version? Could be great.
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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:36 pm

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What exactly would be the point of them doing a live action show if the titular characters themselves couldn't be in live action?

And, as evidenced by the movies, the TFs wouldn't even be the stars of such live action show since it's always always the humans who get center spotlight in any and all live action Transformers fiction.

Live action works better for other properties because those properties star and focus on humans first and foremost. Unless this were to be some kind of Tokusatsu (which would most definitely receive even worse criticism than live action w/ CGI), there's no way on Earth the Bots would be the stars over the humans as long as the formula of the films were to be carried over into a live action TV show (which it most likely would seeing as how this formula helped the films earn a bajillion dollars).
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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby Burn » Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:07 am

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YRQRM0 wrote:What's wrong with a live action series? Assuming they were willing to put up the budget, it could allow for a lot more drama and TF character development than the movies. Have some human episodes, some more TF-focused episodes. Why not? Transformers have been on TV forever, why not have a live action version? Could be great.


Budget. TV shows don't have the budget of a movie. They also can't recoup the dollars like movies can.

It's why a live action Star Wars movie has been held off for years, they're still trying to develop technology that will cut costs but still maintain great visual effects.
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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby Vicalliose » Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:58 am

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Shadowstream wrote:Bit harsh, bro?
The burning wreckage laden about the wasteland of live action television says otherwise. The sheer amount of high-school drama that would be spewed from such an abomination would set even such barren wastelands asunder. You know this to be true.

Again. Not like it could ever happen and it would probably be canceled after half a season even if it did.
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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:08 am

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Personally, the only way I could see a live action TF show being made in a way that would be affordable, and as a show I would personally watch (but I can't speak for everyone else since this is just my personal view), would be if it were to be a Japanese Tokusatsu adaptation of Transformers: Super-God Masterforce. :-B
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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby Shadowstream » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:19 am

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Shadowstream wrote:Bit harsh, bro?
The burning wreckage laden about the wasteland of live action television says otherwise. The sheer amount of high-school drama that would be spewed from such an abomination would set even such barren wastelands asunder. You know this to be true.

Again. Not like it could ever happen and it would probably be canceled after half a season even if it did.

I was more worried about you wrecking our sh*t in the face of such evil. Don't I get a say in such destruction?
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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby Megatron Wolf » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:04 am

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this guy needs to be on hasbros payroll cause he seems to get it. Relying on the movies and kiddie shows exclusively arent going to keep the lights on forever, the past few years have shown this to be true. They need to focus on the collectors, the kids & the mindless morons equally & not favor one over the other. They also need to put the consumer first & their wallets second. A happy customer means return business, return business means more money. I guarantee if they were to raise the quality & lower the prices they'd see a boost in sales, i know id start buying more. And if they'd make a show or movie geared towards the older collectors id probably jump back on the wagon.

But as for the live action series i dont think it would be that hard to do in this day and age, just look at shows like Defiance, Sanctuary & Star Gate. Towards the end of Star Gate they had as many CGI effects as a major hollywood movie. GIJOE would be simple, would be no more expensive than 24 or walking dead. Just need to make sure you have good writers & actors on board.
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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby Windsweeper » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:14 am

I'd love a G1 revival if handled properly with intelligent writing like Roberts Mtmte or Furmans marvel run. I admit to loving dreamwave. They really knew the G1 characters.

But starting with the G1 toon as a base would be terrible. I loved the voice cast and music and the pilot which gave us a reasonable origin not some giant cube but even as a kid I found most of the cartoon to be silly. I've never understood why season 2 is so popular as for the most part it was as bad as Energon with crap like Alpha trionand Kremzeek.

And for God's sake bring back the scout size. People berate G1 toys which were limited by technology but love the Legion/legend toys which I find to be as cheap as other fans find G1.

Sorry for being negative but G1 season 2 and the legend toys just bug the crap out of me.
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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby Windsweeper » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:16 am

I'd love a G1 revival if handled properly with intelligent writing like Roberts Mtmte or Furmans marvel run. I admit to loving dreamwave. They really knew the G1 characters.

But starting with the G1 toon as a base would be terrible. I loved the voice cast and music and the pilot which gave us a reasonable origin not some giant cube but even as a kid I found most of the cartoon to be silly. I've never understood why season 2 is so popular as for the most part it was as bad as Energon with crap like Alpha trionand Kremzeek.

And for God's sake bring back the scout size. People berate G1 toys which were limited by technology but love the Legion/legend toys which I find to be as cheap as other fans find G1.

Sorry for being negative but G1 season 2 and the legend toys just bug the crap out of me.
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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby Cyberpath » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:42 am

Bring back Gen 1 Transformers
Walt Disney and Hasbro appeal to the nostalgic collector by releasing toy lines such as the Star Wars: The Black Series and reissuing old Star Wars toys. Moreover, Hasbro occasionally releases a Transformers Generation 1 reissue geared toward people who enjoyed Transformer's original line in their childhood. Hasbro could take this a step further and produce an animated (not computer generated) series that picks up where it left off during the second season in 1986 bridging the gap between that time period and the animated classic Transformers: The Movie. An hour long show with a shortened season could conserve on costs. A good working title: Transformers 1980s. Hasbro could also do a spinoff series that centers on post Transformers: The Movie characters such as Headmasters.



I've always fantasized about a longer 4th season. I loved "Rebirth", and always wanted to see more of the new Autobot cars & Decepticon jets/beasts it introduced, (as well as the new concepts such as the twins, the double spy, the hexachanger; and well, we didn't even get to see Duocons.)
We were also two episodes short of 100. But we did get a proper closure, not every show gets that!

They can't recreate the magic of the original show now, almost 3 decades later. "The Transformers" was ahead of its time, and still is unsurpassed. Season 2.1 is even more impossible because you don't have Starscream's irreplaceable voice actor. (and besides, some things like the time period preceding to the movie, are best left alone. It fires up the imagination.)

(Though I probably wouldn't say no to a comic-series by Dan Khanna, Makoto Ono, or especially Guido Guidi. Any of the artists that love using Dery's models. ;)


Regarding the G1 toys, they were innovative in their time, but many of them are rather outdated now. Takara's Masterpiece line gives you the same characters, with amazing articulation and uncanny likeness to the cartoon counterparts.

I can't say I'm into Hasbro's current stuff; the 3rd party companies seem to get it right: modern day engineering with G1 esthetics.
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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby frogbat » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:03 am

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This is very much a g1 fan thinking out aloud and lots of us would like to see something like that happen.

I am pretty happy with my chug (classics etc) collection and think a lot of those designs would make great models for a g1 show. It would definitely have to be all cgi as it is probably more cost effective these days. The 3d models can be based very closely on the toys so that would be cheaper too. Lot of lore and plots from g1 can be explored etc, maybe it's cos the cartoon was my main exposure to the tf universe as a kid that I find their versions if the characters and origins more interesting than the comics,

Anyways, it's all for nowt, what I seem to understand is that the recent games and prime are basically the revamped g1 era hasbro have prepared for us, and I'm more than fine with that, I found prime to be very well executed and a lot of the toys to be the best in my collection.

The only way hasbro can make money from re imagining g1 as we'd like is if they pull the nostalgia card big time and target all those who used to watch the show and who, unlike us grew out of it.
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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby Mykltron » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:33 am

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I'll tell you how they could boost revenue: improve distribution to Europe. And stop flooding the shelves with Bumblebee.
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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby Cyberpath » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:04 am

"Exploitation" of G1 has never really gone away. Every new incarnation of the Transformers has an Optimus Prime, a Megatron, a Starscream, a Bumblebee, etc.
And they are generally based on the originals, whether it's the overall colour scheme, certain iconic elements of their design, alt-modes, personality traits, and what have you.

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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby President-prime » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:50 am

Actually, you know what I would Ike to see? A Transformers show based on the fashion of:

1) Power Power Rangers:
As silly as this show is, it's extremely popular with kids and me, a 38 yr old. I originally thought its a silly show, but May times I watched it with my son (and daughter), I found my self not able to resist finishing the episode. Now, every time I goto the toy aisles, I look at these toys. Even bought a few for my son and daughter.
My analysis: live action based on Power Rangers worked. It's silly, weird, but it's popular (for 20 yrs). A g1 transformers show based on this show is cheap to make, provides silly fun, brings back nostalgia, and sells toys, lots of it. And best of all, I can go trick or treating with my kids with these costumes, sold everywhere.

2) Robot Chicken/Wizard magazine toy animation sheets.
A stop animation show with toys does not require human elements or be as expensive. Transformers characters based on g1 would make a very cool and enjoyable alternative for the adult collectors. I've seen some online and some of it was just silly, but fun to watch. I especially hate the one where Bumblebee kicked Optimus Prime and took off his head. My most hated character killing my favorite character. Imagine amature videos done right, professionally, and with actual voice actors (doesn't have to be the A-listers).
My analysis: stop animation has always been cheap and inexpensive. Episodes does not have to tie into one long season. Once in a while, a 3-parted like the ultimate doom can be aired. Hasbrotoyshop can also solicit freelance people to do one for some episodes or even all of it. Many online fan would love for their episodes to be aired on TV with minimal payment. Just like a newspaper reporter, freelance is extremely inexpensive.

With many of you talking about costs and appeal to the adult collectors, watch Power Rangers Samurai and Robot Chicken/retread Wizards Magazine (went under by the way), and enjoy the silly ness. At my age, I just want to sit with my kids and enjoy a silly show, lighten upp my mood after work, and reminding me of my favorite shows and toys, The Transformers.
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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby Rork » Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:01 am

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I'd love to see a series based on the way IDW have taken on the franchise. MTMTE has a lot of humour and hijinks while the intrigue surrounding Prowl and friends would make for a great adult-oriented show.

The only problem would be that, without at least some humans, the average viewer may find it hard to engage with the characters.
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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby Manterax Prime » Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:57 am

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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby Rork » Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:07 pm

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I'd be happy, sure - I think MTMTE and RID storylines recently have been great without a human in sight. I'm currently watching Beast Machines and it's nice to have the bots running around having to protect some human or another from the bad guys for once.

But I reckon if it's going to last (from a business point of view) it either has to sell toys or have a mass market appeal. Even if you look at the IDW post-All Hail Megatron issues, the role of humans was pretty murky (xenophobic/paranoid/murderers/all three...) - and might work in its favour for that mass market appeal without getting all happy-clappy Michael Bay on us using panicky characters played by Shia LeBoeuf.
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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby Vicalliose » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:35 pm

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I'd spare Classics Springer, Jazz and Kup at least. ;)
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Postby Mindmaster » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:37 pm

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Shadowstream wrote:I was more worried about you wrecking our sh*t in the face of such evil. Don't I get a say in such destruction?
I'd spare Classics Springer, Jazz and Kup at least. ;)


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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby SideswipeSkywarp » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:15 pm

This continuation of Generation 1 stories and animation is what all of us have been thinking of for years. Whoever has been there since the beginning like me. If there would be 2D animation (cell or stop motion) for the show sign me up!. I can write and add my voice talents too! Does Hasbro still read the fan sites? Let's get to work. :BOT: :CON: :grin:
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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby Rork » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:17 pm

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There has to be a G1 symbol flip.

Has to be.

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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby 1984forever » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:31 pm

It's basic common sense to me. Do a whole animated show in the spirit of TFTM with some of the '84-'85 cast with an accompanying toy line. Screw the parents who will whine about it being too violent. Hardcore Geewunners like me would buy it and the grown men who bought Animated and Prime would buy it too... because if you bought that kiddie crap you would buy anything!
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Postby Tronus_Rex » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:35 pm

The articles G1 idea would draw money/make money.

It would be enjoyable too.

It would continue to keep interest in the product, both G1, & new going.

We will see if Hasbro is as wise. As it is, anything that comes to the Hub, is likely going to be on iTunes & hopefully Hulu Plus. Hasbro wants to use digital download & streaming, because that is where TV is going in general. Cable is dying. Who needs it when you have streaming for a fraction?

Anyway, I hope that, whatever they do, everyone of every age says, I like the new TV show & want to watch it. & not Rescue Bots - that show is "neat" but not in the way that makes me watch it.
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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby Shadowstream » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:44 am

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Shadowstream wrote:I was more worried about you wrecking our sh*t in the face of such evil. Don't I get a say in such destruction?
I'd spare Classics Springer, Jazz and Kup at least. ;)


And... Armada Starscream? MP-11 Starscream too? :WHISTLE:

We don have any MP seekers... and no, Armada Screamer won't survive either. :michaelbay:
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Re: The Motley Fool: Generation 1 to Boost Hasbro's Revenue

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:01 am

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It is a very very sad thing to see anyone agreeing with this hack of an article.
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