Rodimus2006 wrote:Also I though Generation 2 was just Comic-Deal or a Japan only thing.
Also it was Beast Wars, then Beast Machines followed bye the Unicron Trilogy of Armada, Energon and Cybertron.
I am sure Beast Machines played after RiD was over with as Generation 2 was never seen in the US.
Generation 2 is were Megatron is a Tank not a gun. also introduced a lot of new characters.
I always thought G2 was a Comic-Book and it was only Shown in Japan on TV.
Transformers Generation 1
Trransformers The Movie
Transformers The Rebirth
Transformers RiD
Transformers Beast Wars
Transformers Beast Machines
Transformers Armada
Transformers Energon
Transformers Cybertron
Transformers Animated
Beast Wars 2
Beast Wars Neo
Transformers Victory
Transformers The Headmasters or Season 4 of G1
Transformers Super God Master Force
Rodimus2006 wrote:
Also I though Generation 2 was just Comic-Deal or a Japan only thing.
Rodimus2006 wrote:I am sure Beast Machines played after RiD was over with
Rodimus2006 wrote: as Generation 2 was never seen in the US.
Rodimus2006 wrote:Generation 2 is were Megatron is a Tank not a gun. also introduced a lot of new characters.
Rodimus2006 wrote:But I watched alot of cartoons back in the early 90's and I do not remeber seeing Generation 2 on TV here in the states.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Rodimus2006 wrote:The reason we got Animated 1st cause it is made here instead of Japan.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Sabrblade wrote:In Japan it went like this:
- Tatakae! Cho Robot Seimeitai Transformers (Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers)
- Scramble City
- Tatakae! Cho Robot Seimeitai Transformers 2010 (Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010, or just Transformers 2010)
- The Headmasters
- Chojin Master Force (Super-god Masterforce)
- Victory
- Zone
- G1 movie (don't know what it's called in Japan, but it's not called "Matrix Forever")
- Beast Wars Cho Seimeitai Transformers (Beast Wars Super Lifeform Transformers)
- Beast Wars II Cho Seimeitai Transformers ("", or just Beast Wars II)
- Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers (movie) (or just Beast Wars Special)
- Super Lifeform Transformers - Beast Wars Neo (or just Beast Wars Neo)
- Super Lifeform Transformers - Beast Wars Metals (or just Beast Wars Metals)
- Car Robots
- Micron Denetsu (or Micron Legend)
- Superlink
- RobotMasters (two dvds)
- Galaxy Force
- Beast Wars Returns
- Transformers (film)
Saber Prime wrote:
The Headmasters = What is a verry different version of what the Rebirth started before it was canceled in the U.S.
...
Galaxy Force = Cybertron allthough in the U.S. even though the story completly contridicts both Armada and Energon they use it as part of the Trilliy. The main reason the story doesn't fit is because it wasn't supose to, Japan made it as a seperate series.
Allso apperently both Airazor from Beast Wars and Override from Cybertron were male in Japan. The Airazor one I'm not sure how true that is because I read it on Wiki and I can't imagine her as a male unless she was portrayed as a gay. Her attitude in the way she walks just screams female.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Saber Prime wrote:How many characters have there been who change genders when they go over seas?
I belive Strika was allso male in Japan and that one I can see working because the body type never looked female to begine with and really the only thing female about Strika in the U.S. was her voice. There was mention about her and Obsidian haveing a relationship but that was never shown, they were both verry into their jobs more than eachother.
Override I can allmost see working. She didn't have any overly female role in the show. The body type does look female though if you ignore the lack of a breast plate which Airazor didn't even really have either. (except in the Non-show TM form.)
Airrazor as a male, yeah the only way that could work is if you cut out every episode that features her. The toy doesn't really look anything like her obviously female animation model.
Anyone else?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Saber Prime wrote:The Headmasters = What is a verry different version of what the Rebirth started before it was canceled in the U.S.
Saber Prime wrote:How many characters have there been who change genders when they go over seas?
Saber Prime wrote:I belive Strika was allso male in Japan and that one I can see working because the body type never looked female to begine with and really the only thing female about Strika in the U.S. was her voice. There was mention about her and Obsidian haveing a relationship but that was never shown, they were both verry into their jobs more than eachother.
Override I can allmost see working. She didn't have any overly female role in the show. The body type does look female though if you ignore the lack of a breast plate which Airazor didn't even really have either. (except in the Non-show TM form.)
Airrazor as a male, yeah the only way that could work is if you cut out every episode that features her. The toy doesn't really look anything like her obviously female animation model.
Anyone else?
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Sabrblade wrote:It's English name is either Sureshock (like the toy) or Grindor (like the show). The Armada cartoon was always switching Sureshock and Grindor's names around. The scooter was called "Grindor" more often than "Sureshock", and the skateboard was called "Sureshock" more often than "Grindor", when their toys call the scooter "Sureshock" and the skateboard "Grindor".
Anyway, the scooter Mini-Con was female in the Japanese version. Armada may have changed it to male, but I don't think it's gender was mentioned much.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Saber Prime wrote:Sabrblade wrote:It's English name is either Sureshock (like the toy) or Grindor (like the show). The Armada cartoon was always switching Sureshock and Grindor's names around. The scooter was called "Grindor" more often than "Sureshock", and the skateboard was called "Sureshock" more often than "Grindor", when their toys call the scooter "Sureshock" and the skateboard "Grindor".
That character was only missnamed in one episode. The toy name as you called it was actully it's show name for most of the series. There was only 1 error where she was called Grindor and the skate board was never called Sureshock.
There were ALOT of errors where Optimus Prime kept calling his Mini-con Leader-1. There was only ONE time when Sparkplug was actully called by his correct name. I think Optimus even called other Mini-cons Sparkplug just never the one who the name actully belong to.
Alexis was the one who called Sparkplug by the correct name and she was allso the one who called Sureshock Grindor that one time.Anyway, the scooter Mini-Con was female in the Japanese version. Armada may have changed it to male, but I don't think it's gender was mentioned much.
I don't think Mini-con genders were EVER mentioned. I allways assume Suresure was female just because they paired her with Alexis and the American shows seem to turn characters like that female whenever they're paired with female humans.
Saber Prime wrote:One of the original Digimon trainers who's name I can't remember for the life of me right now, her Digimon partner had a female voice actress and was offten refered to as being female despite the fact her final form was obviously male. I don't think the US saw this form till after they made the character female and I'm actully surprised the show kept going after that.
I happen to catch a few episodes of a newer Digimon series with the same Digimon only they changed it's evolution so now it doesn't have the male looking evolution and they made it male this time around.
Either way it's wrong because the Rookie form is pink and looks like a girl then it changes into a character with a topless human male torso.
Here's some pictures for you.
Yes thoughs are the same character. Apperently Digimon can change gender when they digivolve. I think in another series they desided to exsplain in the US that Digimon have no gender just to cover this up.
BTW everything I just said, I realize I stated it as fact but it's actully my own speculation. I really don't know if they were trying to cover anything up I'm just assumeing that's what happen because I can't imagine parrents would be too happy about seeing a sex change in a kids cartoon on screen.
Dead Metal wrote:Lol Digimon have no Gender?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I remember MANY times when Rad Carlos and Alexis yelled out these words:
Rad: "High Wire!" (refering to the bike)
Carlos: "Sureshock!" (refering to the skateboard)
Alexis: "Grindor!" (refering to the scooter)
I own all of Armada on DVD and watched it all a little while back. They yelled out those names just like that at least five times throughout the series.
I you can get you're facts about Dighimon straight then don't bother bringing them up.
Saber Prime wrote:BTW everything I just said, I realize I stated it as fact but it's actully my own speculation. I really don't know if they were trying to cover anything up I'm just assumeing that's what happen because I can't imagine parrents would be too happy about seeing a sex change in a kids cartoon on screen.
The DigiDestined you're thinking of is Sora. Her digimon is Biyomon. Her "final form", as you call it, is Garudamon. Garudamon was definately female in season 1. It is impossible for a digimon to change its gender, PERIOD.
Dead Metal wrote:Lol Digimon have no Gender?
Don't believe that one line from Renamon. It's blalantly obvious that digimon can be classified into genders. Just look at Angewomon, LadyDevimon, Lillymon, Sakuyamon, this other Sakuyamon, Rosemon, Lilthmon, Lotusmon, Kazemon, and many others. These are all obviously female digimon.
If you consider all those to be "its", then you really must be blind or something.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
The Digipedia's Digimon FAQ wrote:In episode 3.49, "D-Reaper's Feast," Renamon notes that "Digimon aren't divided into genders" - the line in the original version directly translates as: "By nature, distinctions of gender do not exist among digimon." Also, in describing Renamon, Tamers writer Chiaki Konaka states that "officially, Digimon do not have gender." But he himself notes that "If anything, gender seems fairly easy to identify in digimon," and says that Sakuyamon was clearly feminine.
To clarify some word misuse - Digimon ARE classified into gender, because gender is a cultural classification, where one is considered "he" or "she." Digimon quite blatantly and undeniably have that. It is being professed here that Digimon do not have SEXES, the physical classification of being male and female - which holds true for MOST Digimon, but characters such as Angewomon, LadyDevimon, Lillymon and, as Konaka notes, Sakuyamon, are quite blatantly female. So, the fact of the matter is that even the officials do not adhere to the official statement on the matter.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:And what makes Kazemon not a real digimon? It doesn't matter if she was made by the merge of Zoe and the Human Spirit of Wind.
The same could be done to make Kazemon. Merging the spirit with a digi-egg, I mean.
Saber Prime wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And what makes Kazemon not a real digimon? It doesn't matter if she was made by the merge of Zoe and the Human Spirit of Wind.
No you got that a little wrong.The same could be done to make Kazemon. Merging the spirit with a digi-egg, I mean.
You're right the same COULD be done but that is what does not matter.
The Spirit of Wind can be merged with anything to create Kazemon thearetically so it could be said that the Spirit itself IS Kazemon. The spirit of Wind however is no more a Digimon than a Digivice is. It's just a tool used to digivolve. It doesn't have a life of it's own.
The evil Digimon Hybrids were actully formed from spirits and Digimon. It's that Digimon part of them that makes them Digimon not the spirit. If that makes any sence.
With the Digidestin they are humans who can use Spirits to take on Digimon form but does that really make them Digimon? Are they any different as Digimon then they are as humans? Do the spirit digimon have seperite minds of their own or are they entirely just there in form but with human mind? That's why Kazemon is not a real Digimon, the digimon form of Kazemon has no independant mind, it's just Zoe in Digimon form.
Now if you look at say Gallentmon who is a bio eveolution of both human and digimon that's a different story. Gallentmon actully has two individual personalitys one human and the other Digimon.
So it doesn't matter that Kazemon could be formed by a merge with a Digimon. What does matter is that Kazemon ISN'T formed by a Digimon of any kind. She's a human in Digimon form.
Basically a simple way of putting it is that Kazemon is a Digimon in body but not in mind.
Gallentmon is a digimon in body and in mind but is only human in mind.
Gallentmon has two minds, Kazemon only has one.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Saber Prime wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And what makes Kazemon not a real digimon? It doesn't matter if she was made by the merge of Zoe and the Human Spirit of Wind.
No you got that a little wrong.The same could be done to make Kazemon. Merging the spirit with a digi-egg, I mean.
You're right the same COULD be done but that is what does not matter.
The Spirit of Wind can be merged with anything to create Kazemon thearetically so it could be said that the Spirit itself IS Kazemon. The spirit of Wind however is no more a Digimon than a Digivice is. It's just a tool used to digivolve. It doesn't have a life of it's own.
The evil Digimon Hybrids were actully formed from spirits and Digimon. It's that Digimon part of them that makes them Digimon not the spirit. If that makes any sence.
With the Digidestin they are humans who can use Spirits to take on Digimon form but does that really make them Digimon? Are they any different as Digimon then they are as humans? Do the spirit digimon have seperite minds of their own or are they entirely just there in form but with human mind? That's why Kazemon is not a real Digimon, the digimon form of Kazemon has no independant mind, it's just Zoe in Digimon form.
Now if you look at say Gallentmon who is a bio eveolution of both human and digimon that's a different story. Gallentmon actully has two individual personalitys one human and the other Digimon.
So it doesn't matter that Kazemon could be formed by a merge with a Digimon. What does matter is that Kazemon ISN'T formed by a Digimon of any kind. She's a human in Digimon form.
Basically a simple way of putting it is that Kazemon is a Digimon in body but not in mind.
Gallentmon is a digimon in body and in mind but is only human in mind.
Gallentmon has two minds, Kazemon only has one.
If you have seen the finale to Frontier, then you may remeber that the spiirts came to life at the end of the series. Though they were transparent, they were still alive at that time.
Besides, Hybrid digimon have appeared in other media outside of Frontier as regular digimon that weren't made from a spirit. Look at Digimon World 3, for example. Agunimon and KendoGarurumon appear in that game as a result of a DNA Digivolution between two regular digimon.
Gallantmon has also appeared in Frontier, X-Evolution, and Savers/Data Squad as a natural Mega, show no signs of a Biomerge between a human and a digimon. (That brief scene in Frontier of him did use his Tamers "dual voice" in the dub, but that still doesn't mean he was biomerged digimon. Omnimon, for example, has a dual voice, yet he's not biomerged either).
Saber Prime wrote:Omnimon was a DNA of two Digimon not a Biomerge.
DNA Digivolve is two Digimon becoming one.
Biomerge is Digimon and human becomeing one digimon.
Spirit was just a human or a Digimon becoming a Digimon.
I actully haven't seen that much of Digimon passed the first two series. The others kind of create entirely different storys that go agenst how the original ended. I catch little segments here and there but I've never watched one all the way through.
The new one I noticed even broke the tridition of making the lead character wear goggles. They're reuseing old digimon with new evolutions. And this kid's even more of a hot head than any of the past digidestin combined. He ACTULLY thinks he can solve every single freaking problem with his fist. I can't belive how increadibly stupid that kid is. The others know to let the Digimon do the fighting. I've seen this kid run up and punch mega levels exspecting it to hurt them. I so want to see him get crushed.
It's like watching a human on Transformers run up and punch Megatron, it's just stupid.
Can we get the message to animators to stop makeing humans so incredibly stupid that they run twards giant creatures that could kill them just by blinking. You're supose to run AWAY from giant deadly monsters unless you have super powers or some kind of weapon, NOT YOUR FIST.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Saber Prime wrote:Omnimon was a DNA of two Digimon not a Biomerge.
DNA Digivolve is two Digimon becoming one.
Biomerge is Digimon and human becomeing one digimon.
Spirit was just a human or a Digimon becoming a Digimon.
I actully haven't seen that much of Digimon passed the first two series. The others kind of create entirely different storys that go agenst how the original ended. I catch little segments here and there but I've never watched one all the way through.
The new one I noticed even broke the tridition of making the lead character wear goggles. They're reuseing old digimon with new evolutions. And this kid's even more of a hot head than any of the past digidestin combined. He ACTULLY thinks he can solve every single freaking problem with his fist. I can't belive how increadibly stupid that kid is. The others know to let the Digimon do the fighting. I've seen this kid run up and punch mega levels exspecting it to hurt them. I so want to see him get crushed.
It's like watching a human on Transformers run up and punch Megatron, it's just stupid.
Can we get the message to animators to stop makeing humans so incredibly stupid that they run twards giant creatures that could kill them just by blinking. You're supose to run AWAY from giant deadly monsters unless you have super powers or some kind of weapon, NOT YOUR FIST.
Don't go bashing Marcus when you don't really know anything about him. He has to punch out the digimon he's fighting, otherwise Agumon couldn't digivolve.
Let me sum up all that I want to say by this: don't something judge if you don't know anything about it. Watch it before you criticize it. It just so happens the final episode of its dub just aired a little while back, so every episode is available to watch online.
Also, earlier I was going to say that we should take this discussion to the Digimon thread here, but it seems to has been lost in the flood. Perhaps one of us should make a new one so we continue this. Cuz I for one am enjoying this "intelligent debate", as I call it.
I'll probably make it tonight and let you know, so keep an eye out on this thread.
Saber Prime wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Saber Prime wrote:Omnimon was a DNA of two Digimon not a Biomerge.
DNA Digivolve is two Digimon becoming one.
Biomerge is Digimon and human becomeing one digimon.
Spirit was just a human or a Digimon becoming a Digimon.
I actully haven't seen that much of Digimon passed the first two series. The others kind of create entirely different storys that go agenst how the original ended. I catch little segments here and there but I've never watched one all the way through.
The new one I noticed even broke the tridition of making the lead character wear goggles. They're reuseing old digimon with new evolutions. And this kid's even more of a hot head than any of the past digidestin combined. He ACTULLY thinks he can solve every single freaking problem with his fist. I can't belive how increadibly stupid that kid is. The others know to let the Digimon do the fighting. I've seen this kid run up and punch mega levels exspecting it to hurt them. I so want to see him get crushed.
It's like watching a human on Transformers run up and punch Megatron, it's just stupid.
Can we get the message to animators to stop makeing humans so incredibly stupid that they run twards giant creatures that could kill them just by blinking. You're supose to run AWAY from giant deadly monsters unless you have super powers or some kind of weapon, NOT YOUR FIST.
Don't go bashing Marcus when you don't really know anything about him. He has to punch out the digimon he's fighting, otherwise Agumon couldn't digivolve.
Let me sum up all that I want to say by this: don't something judge if you don't know anything about it. Watch it before you criticize it. It just so happens the final episode of its dub just aired a little while back, so every episode is available to watch online.
Also, earlier I was going to say that we should take this discussion to the Digimon thread here, but it seems to has been lost in the flood. Perhaps one of us should make a new one so we continue this. Cuz I for one am enjoying this "intelligent debate", as I call it.
I'll probably make it tonight and let you know, so keep an eye out on this thread.
According to the dialog on the show Digimon's divolution is controlled by EMOTION not his fist. Several characters on the show have been trying to teach him NOT to use his fist but he doesn't listen. So no he does NOT need to punch digimon to get Augumon to Digivolve, Augumon's digivolve is triggered by Marcus' emotions not his punching other digimon like a freaking idiot.
It's verry clear Marcus doesn't punch Digimon to trigger the Evolution for Augumon, he actully thinks he can hurt them by punching them. He allways acts really surprised when his punch has absolutly no effect on them and as far as he knows getting Augumon to Digivolve is just some weird side effect. He doesn't know how it's really triggered even though everyone does and has told him several times how it works.
I've seen like 3 episodes of Digimon Data Squad and from the 3 episodes, Poncholeomon who is apperently Marcus' father has told him that emotion triggers the Digimon's evolution. The guy who runs DATS told him about the emotion thing. Hell even some random old man who doesn't even have a digimon knows how it works. Marcus seems to be the only character on the show who has no idea how to controll his digimon's evolution and he's definatly the only character who trys to fight digimon himself. He's the only character EVER who trys to fight digimon by himself.
He actully thinks he doesn't need Augumon, he can just fight on his own.
You seem to like to ignore alot of dialog don't you? I know more about Marcus after just 3 episodes than you seem to. He is just a hot headed idiot who doesn't listen and everyone else on the show know how to control Digimon evolution, for Marcus, he can't control it because he can't control his emotions and thinks every problem is solved by his fist.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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