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The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:05 pm

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Okay, now you're both wrong.

In this sentence, "Spider-Man is a mutate." The word "mutate" is not being used as a verb OR an adjective. It's being used as a NOUN.

Ignoring the obvious grammatical error in that sentence, the word "mutate" is not showing an action (in this case) or describing a noun, it is a noun!

While both "Spider-Man" and (this incorrect use of) "mutate" are nouns, there is one difference. "Spider-Man" is a proper noun and the other word is (being used as) just an ordinary noun.

It's the same condition if one were to rewrite it as "Spider-Man is a thing". Both "Spider-Man" and "thing" are nouns, but "Spider-Man" is a proper noun and "thing" is another noun.

Another example like this would be "Peter is a man." Both "Peter" and "man" are nouns, but "Peter" is a proper noun and "man" is just a noun.

Now an adjective in this sentence would describe either "Peter" or "man". For example, in the sentence "Peter is a tall man." the word "tall" is an adjective describing the noun "man". Or, in the sentence "Old Peter is a man." the word "old" is an adjective describing the (proper) noun "Peter" (though, it would make a little more sense to write the sentence out as "Peter is an old man." cuz "Old Peter is a man." sounds a little awkward).

Lastly, I'm going to sum up this whole "mutant" deal by saying what Spider-Man truely is, no matter what the form of fiction is: "Spider-Man is a metahuman!"
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:45 pm

Sabrblade wrote:Okay, now you're both wrong.

In this sentence, "Spider-Man is a mutate." The word "mutate" is not being used as a verb OR an adjective. It's being used as a NOUN.

Ignoring the obvious grammatical error in that sentence, the word "mutate" is not showing an action (in this case) or describing a noun, it is a noun!


Actully it IS describeing a noun. Spider-man is the noun in that sentence and Mutate describes what Spider-man is.

Now an adjective in this sentence would describe either "Peter" or "man". For example, in the sentence "Peter is a tall man." the word "tall" is an adjective describing the noun "man". Or, in the sentence "Old Peter is a man." the word "old" is an adjective describing the (proper) noun "Peter" (though, it would make a little more sense to write the sentence out as "Peter is an old man." cuz "Old Peter is a man." sounds a little awkward).


Not really. In the sentence "Old Peter is a man." Old Peter could be a nick name in which case Old would be a noun as part of his name and could allso be an adjective as part of how he got that name in the first place.

The current play I'm working on "Christmas Foundling" actully has a character named "Old Jake" and throughout the play "Old" is used both as his name and to describe him.

Lastly, I'm going to sum up this whole "mutant" deal by saying what Spider-Man truely is, no matter what the form of fiction is: "Spider-Man is a metahuman!"


Again, no, you're mixing media. Metahumans are from DC comics and even in the DC universe, some Metahumans are born that way others are created.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:28 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:
Now an adjective in this sentence would describe either "Peter" or "man". For example, in the sentence "Peter is a tall man." the word "tall" is an adjective describing the noun "man". Or, in the sentence "Old Peter is a man." the word "old" is an adjective describing the (proper) noun "Peter" (though, it would make a little more sense to write the sentence out as "Peter is an old man." cuz "Old Peter is a man." sounds a little awkward).


Not really. In the sentence "Old Peter is a man." Old Peter could be a nick name in which case Old would be a noun as part of his name and could allso be an adjective as part of how he got that name in the first place.

The current play I'm working on "Christmas Foundling" actully has a character named "Old Jake" and throughout the play "Old" is used both as his name and to describe him.


I just knew this would be brought up. I probably shoud've mantioned that, in this particular case, it all depends on what the writer of the sentence intends for what the word is for. When I wrote that sentence, I intended for the word "old" to be an adjective, not a nickname. I had to capitalize it since it was the first word of the sentence.

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Lastly, I'm going to sum up this whole "mutant" deal by saying what Spider-Man truely is, no matter what the form of fiction is: "Spider-Man is a metahuman!"


Again, no, you're mixing media. Metahumans are from DC comics and even in the DC universe, some Metahumans are born that way others are created.


I'm sure that I've heard metahuman used as a generic term outside of DC (as well as within it).

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Oh crud! Looks like Sto was right all along. When he said "Spider-Man is a mutate." turns out he wasn't exactly misusing the word after all. In this particular case, the word "mutate" is not a verb, but a noun that is a synonym for "non-mutant mutated human". Like how DC has beings called "Metahumans", Marvel got beings called "Mutates". I seriously cannot believe I haven't heard this term before. And I'm a much bigger Marvel fan than DC.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:01 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Again, no, you're mixing media. Metahumans are from DC comics and even in the DC universe, some Metahumans are born that way others are created.


I'm sure that I've heard metahuman used as a generic term outside of DC (as well as within it).

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Oh crud! Looks like Sto was right all along. When he said "Spider-Man is a mutate." turns out he wasn't exactly misusing the word after all. In this particular case, the word "mutate" is not a verb, but a noun that is a synonym for "non-mutant mutated human". Like how DC has beings called "Metahumans", Marvel got beings called "Mutates". I seriously cannot believe I haven't heard this term before. And I'm a much bigger Marvel fan than DC.


Again, I'm not even going to try to dispute the comics. I don't read them.

But you did just say "Mutate" was not a verb which Sto said it was when he used it. I'm just trying to get him to realize that in that context, Mutate is not a verb.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:58 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Again, no, you're mixing media. Metahumans are from DC comics and even in the DC universe, some Metahumans are born that way others are created.


I'm sure that I've heard metahuman used as a generic term outside of DC (as well as within it).

...

Oh crud! Looks like Sto was right all along. When he said "Spider-Man is a mutate." turns out he wasn't exactly misusing the word after all. In this particular case, the word "mutate" is not a verb, but a noun that is a synonym for "non-mutant mutated human". Like how DC has beings called "Metahumans", Marvel got beings called "Mutates". I seriously cannot believe I haven't heard this term before. And I'm a much bigger Marvel fan than DC.


Again, I'm not even going to try to dispute the comics. I don't read them.

But you did just say "Mutate" was not a verb which Sto said it was when he used it. I'm just trying to get him to realize that in that context, Mutate is not a verb.


When he originally used it, before the major chunks of this debate, it was being used as a noun, and we thought he was using bad grammar by using what we thought was a verb as a noun. Because, that was before either of us knew that Marvel's term for non-mutants was in fact "Mutate", which would be the Marvel equvalent to DC's "Metahuman".

So, in some way, he did kinda prove us both wrong, sort of.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:20 am

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Saber Prime wrote:You know what, just forget it. The whole mutate not a mutant debate is pointless now.


Ok fine by me.

Saber Prime wrote:
Just do me a favor and read the definition of the word Adjective.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/adjective


Why should I if you want to drop it????

BTW I know what an adjective is.

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I'll give you three examples where "Mutate" is a verb.

"if I mutate into some 8 legged freak and you have to stop me." verb

"The spider bite caused Peter Parker to mutate." verb

"Spider-man will mutate." verb

The way you were useing it, not the word itself, just the way you used it was as an adjective.


I thought you wanted to drop this?????

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In the 3 verb examples I gave you mutate describes something that will happen to him, that's what state of being means.

The way you used it you describe what he is. "Spider-man is a mutate." in that context mutate is not describeing a state of being, it's describeing a noun. An adjective is a word that describes a noun. So in the sentence "Spider-man is a mutate." the word mutate is an adjective.


Look plain and simple the way I used it is the very way Marvel has....aas in to categorize those characters who's DNA was altered by outside means.

By reading all the defintions on non action verbs it would seem that both I and Marvel used it in a correct way.

I no longer wish to continue an endless debate.

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Again, no, you're mixing media. Metahumans are from DC comics and even in the DC universe, some Metahumans are born that way others are created.


Actually the term "Metahumans has been used by Marvel but its not used all that often.

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Oh crud! Looks like Sto was right all along. When he said "Spider-Man is a mutate." turns out he wasn't exactly misusing the word after all. In this particular case, the word "mutate" is not a verb, but a noun that is a synonym for "non-mutant mutated human". Like how DC has beings called "Metahumans", Marvel got beings called "Mutates". I seriously cannot believe I haven't heard this term before. And I'm a much bigger Marvel fan than DC.


Told you guys....althou I still think I was correct in useing the word "Mutate" as a non action verb.

But reguardless I told you guys that I wasnt wrong in saying it was a term Marvel has used to describe some characters.

Saber Prime wrote:But you did just say "Mutate" was not a verb which Sto said it was when he used it. I'm just trying to get him to realize that in that context, Mutate is not a verb.


Actually I wasnt the one who first brought up the "verb issue".

I called Spidy a "mutate" and both of you jumped on me telling me I had to be wrong because of the verb issues.

I still believe that the non action verb statement apply and so far none of you have shown me otherwise.

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When he originally used it, before the major chunks of this debate, it was being used as a noun, and we thought he was using bad grammar by using what we thought was a verb as a noun.


Excacty.

I didnt bring up the "verb" debate....it was first "Sabrblade" who brought it up to correct what he thought was bad grammer and then "Saber Prime" who hungrily jumped all over it because he's been trying to come out on top of a debate with me for years now.

First "Saber" jumped on the statement that all "verbs" are about action and when I proved that there was such a think as a "non-action verb" you jumped on the grammer issue.

Your to needy to win a debate with me that you'll jump on any opportunity to try.

As I said from the beginning Marvel calls characters like Spiderman and the Hulk "Mutates" not Mutants.

Sabrblade wrote: Because, that was before either of us knew that Marvel's term for non-mutants was in fact "Mutate", which would be the Marvel equvalent to DC's "Metahuman".

So, in some way, he did kinda prove us both wrong, sort of.


Thank you :grin:

But I wasnt trying to prove anyone wrong....I was just trying to state a fact.

BTW.....Never argue about Marvel characters with a guy who once worked for Marvel comics.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:53 pm

They're different subjects.

Saber Prime wrote:In the 3 verb examples I gave you mutate describes something that will happen to him, that's what state of being means.

The way you used it you describe what he is. "Spider-man is a mutate." in that context mutate is not describeing a state of being, it's describeing a noun. An adjective is a word that describes a noun. So in the sentence "Spider-man is a mutate." the word mutate is an adjective.


Look plain and simple the way I used it is the very way Marvel has....aas in to categorize those characters who's DNA was altered by outside means.

By reading all the defintions on non action verbs it would seem that both I and Marvel used it in a correct way.

I no longer wish to continue an endless debate.


To clairify Marvel or your use of the word isn't really in question. What is in question is weather or not that use of the word is actully a verb and it isn't.

I gave you 3 examples of how it could be a verb but in your example it's not a verb. If you're trying to use it as a verb then it's an incorrect use. I highly doubt Marvel stuck "this is a verb" next to it when they wrote it so weather or not they used it that way doesn't even enter into it.

You say Mutate is a verb in the sentence "Spider-man is a Mutate."

Sabrblade seems to think it's a noun.

And I think it's an Adjective. Sence the word mutate in that sentence describes Spider-man I would be right and the definition of the word Adjective would back me up on that.

Saber Prime wrote:But you did just say "Mutate" was not a verb which Sto said it was when he used it. I'm just trying to get him to realize that in that context, Mutate is not a verb.


Actually I wasnt the one who first brought up the "verb issue".

I called Spidy a "mutate" and both of you jumped on me telling me I had to be wrong because of the verb issues.

I still believe that the non action verb statement apply and so far none of you have shown me otherwise.


Because you've failed to read the definitions I sent you and only looked at the parts that helped your case. You didn't even get the right definition.

Again, "Spider-man is a mutate." mutate in that sentence does not describe his "state of being" it just describes HIM and there is a difference. That difference is what seperates Mutate being a noun from being an Adjective.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:39 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:Sabrblade seems to think it's a noun.


I say it's a noun because it's the NAME of that particular type of human. Names are nouns, proper nouns to be exact.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:14 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:They're different subjects.


What?????

Saber Prime wrote:To clairify Marvel or your use of the word isn't really in question.


Yes it was since it was my use of the word that you said was incorrect based on the fat that the word is a verb.

Saber Prime wrote: What is in question is weather or not that use of the word is actully a verb and it isn't.


No thats what you turned the debate twards because you want so baddly to win a debate with me.

Saber Prime wrote:You say Mutate is a verb in the sentence "Spider-man is a Mutate."


I said nothing till you jumped all over me for it being improper to use the word in the way that I did.

After that I said it was a "non action verb" and again you still havent proven its not.

Saber Prime wrote:Because you've failed to read the definitions I sent you and only looked at the parts that helped your case. You didn't even get the right definition.


No I read all the defintions and found evidence to support my case.

You on the other hand just dismiss that evidence and offer nothing to refute it.

Saber Prime wrote:Again, "Spider-man is a mutate." mutate in that sentence does not describe his "state of being" it just describes HIM and there is a difference.


How does it not describe his state of being??????

The "state of being" in question is "being a mutate".

Calling him a mutate is also a way to "describe or to report on a subjects state condition."The subject in question being Spiderman himself.

Calling him a mutate is also useing the word as "A word which affirms or predicates something of some person or thing".

How does my use of the word not fit these definitions of a non-action verb?????

I'm not ignoring anything.

I'm seeing it all as its described.

This argument is exactly the same as the one we had over my use of the word "obvious" in are debate about the ARK on TFA.

You continued to ignore how the word "obvious" can be used when a person is speaking useing his personal experance.

You kept ignoring the portions of the definitions that stated this fact just to try to win that debate.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:56 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote: This argument is exactly the same as the one we had over my use of the word "obvious" in are debate about the ARK on TFA.

You continued to ignore how the word "obvious" can be used when a person is speaking useing his personal experance.

You kept ignoring the portions of the definitions that stated this fact just to try to win that debate.


:shock: Oh, no, no, no. Please, let's not start that again.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:28 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote: This argument is exactly the same as the one we had over my use of the word "obvious" in are debate about the ARK on TFA.

You continued to ignore how the word "obvious" can be used when a person is speaking useing his personal experance.

You kept ignoring the portions of the definitions that stated this fact just to try to win that debate.


:shock: Oh, no, no, no. Please, let's not start that again.


Yeah your right.

I'm sorry I even brought it up. :sad:
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:42 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Because you've failed to read the definitions I sent you and only looked at the parts that helped your case. You didn't even get the right definition.


No I read all the defintions and found evidence to support my case.

You on the other hand just dismiss that evidence and offer nothing to refute it.


1. If you read all the definitions why have you not figured out the difference between "state of being" and just "describeing a noun".

You have not really found ANY evidence to suport your case other than to warp the meanings till they fit your case.

2. I have not dismissed any evidence, you on the other hand have because as far as I can tell you still have not even read what an Adjective is.

And I have offered evidence to refut it. Again which you have not read.

Now if you had read what an adjective is than prove it. Exsplain the difference in your own words between "describeing a noun" and "state of being".

Saber Prime wrote:Again, "Spider-man is a mutate." mutate in that sentence does not describe his "state of being" it just describes HIM and there is a difference.


How does it not describe his state of being??????

The "state of being" in question is "being a mutate".


That's not a state of being. That's just what he is. You still don't understand the difference between describeing HIM and describing THE STATE HE'S IN?

Look at the examples.

Spider-man will mutate. State of being, it describes something that will happen to him.

If I mutate into... State of being, again describes something that may happen to him.

The spider bite caused Peter Parker to mutate. State of being, AGAIN describes something that happened to him.

Every use of the word in which Mutate is a verb describes something that happens, it does not describe him directly but it does describe something that happenes to him.

Spider-man is a mutate. Adjective, mutate describes a noun, it describes Spider-man. It doesn't say anything about his state of being, it's just in direct relation to him.

Here's another example for you.

Batman is a human. What is human in that sentence? Noun, Adjective, or verb?

Calling him a mutate is also a way to "describe or to report on a subjects state condition."The subject in question being Spiderman himself.

Calling him a mutate is also useing the word as "A word which affirms or predicates something of some person or thing".

How does my use of the word not fit these definitions of a non-action verb?????


Because that use of the word does not do either of these things which you say it is.

It does not describe or report on a subject's "state or condition".

It does describe the subject.

Spider-man is a mutate. Doesn't tell me anthing about Spider-man's condition, it only tells me about Spider-man himself.

It does not affirm or predicates anything of Spider-man. It describes Spider-man.

Both your definitions of a verb talk about conditions relating to the noun but in the sentence "Spider-man is a mutate." there's no condition stated relating to the noun. There is a condition stated in the other 3 examples.

"If I mutate into..."

"Spider-man will mutate."

"The spider bite caused Peter Parker to mutate."

But in "Spider-man is a mutate." There's nothing. Just "Noun is a Adjective." Any time you start a sentence with a noun and follow it with "is a" you have to end the sentence with an adjective because the only thing you can do at that point is describe the noun.

Again, there is a difference between describing the noun and describeing the noun's state of being. Nothing in that sentence describes his state of being, it only describes him.

I'm not ignoring anything.

I'm seeing it all as its described.


You are ignoreing everything and seeing it all as YOU describe.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:01 pm

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Let me put this way. It's not describing his state of being. It's identifying his state of being.

"Spider-Man (proper noun) is (copula/linking verb) a (indefinite article) Mutate (different proper noun identiying the first noun)."
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:03 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:1. If you read all the definitions why have you not figured out the difference between "state of being" and just "describeing a noun".

You have not really found ANY evidence to suport your case other than to warp the meanings till they fit your case.

2. I have not dismissed any evidence, you on the other hand have because as far as I can tell you still have not even read what an Adjective is.

And I have offered evidence to refut it. Again which you have not read.


Again I've read everything you have posted as well as having a full understanding about what an Adjective is and how it works.

And I completly admit that the word appears to be able to be used in the fashions you stated but that by no means suggested that it does not also function as a non-action verb.

And again you havent proven to me how the word does not fit into the defintions that govern the uses of a non action verb.

Saber Prime wrote:Now if you had read what an adjective is than prove it. Exsplain the difference in your own words between "describeing a noun" and "state of being".


Why???So I can feed into this insane need of yours to win a debate with me?????

A] You started this verb debate

B] you havent proven your argument

I'm not going to feed into this any more.

Saber Prime wrote:That's not a state of being. That's just what he is. You still don't understand the difference between describeing HIM and describing THE STATE HE'S IN?


State:

1;mode or condition of being
2;a condition of mind or temperament <in a highly nervous state> 3;a condition of body or physical condition <in a state or stage of illness>
4: a condition of abnormal tension or excitement
5;a condition or stage in the physical being of something or someone<insects in the larval state> <the gaseous state of water>

Being:

1;the quality or state of having existence
2: something that actually exists
3: the totality of existing things
4;the fact of existing; existence

How it applys:

"the quality or state of having existence" & "a condition or stage in the physical being of something or someone" & "a condition of body or physical condition"

Non action verb:

1;a word that describes or to reports on a subjects state of condition.
2;"A word which affirms or predicates something of some person or thing".
3;A word that represents a state of being.

So if state of being can describe the "condition or stage in the physical being of something or someone" then saying "Spiderman is a mutate" can describe his "condition or stage in the physical being" at it is his "state of being".

Mutate is a word which affirms or predicates something of Spidermans person.

Mutate is a word that describes or to reports on a subjects [Spidermans] state of condition.

Saber Prime wrote:Because that use of the word does not do either of these things which you say it is.


It does from my prespective and you've done a piss poor job of showing me other wise.

As I said above I'm not going to feed into this any more.

Sabrblade wrote:Let me put this way. It's not describing his state of being. It's defining his state of being.


I can agree with that.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:15 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Let me put this way. It's not describing his state of being. It's defining his state of being.


I can agree with that.


I rewrote my post to make a little more sense.

Sabrblade wrote:Let me put this way. It's not describing his state of being. It's identifying his state of being.

"Spider-Man (proper noun) is (copula/linking verb) a (indefinite article) Mutate (different proper noun identiying the first noun)."
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:55 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Let me put this way. It's not describing his state of being. It's defining his state of being.


I can agree with that.


I rewrote my post to make a little more sense.

Sabrblade wrote:Let me put this way. It's not describing his state of being. It's identifying his state of being.

"Spider-Man (proper noun) is (copula/linking verb) a (indefinite article) Mutate (different proper noun identiying the first noun)."


Ether way this is going nowhere I say we let it die.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:50 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:So if state of being can describe the "condition or stage in the physical being of something or someone" then saying "Spiderman is a mutate" can describe his "condition or stage in the physical being" at it is his "state of being".

Mutate is a word which affirms or predicates something of Spidermans person.

Mutate is a word that describes or to reports on a subjects [Spidermans] state of condition.


Plane and simple.

The word yes.

That sentence, NO.

Again, it's not the word that's an issue, it's the context in which it's used.

In that context, in that sentence "Spider-man is a mutate." there is nothing there to sugest state of being, condition or stage in the physical being of something or someone, or condition or stage in the physical being. Non of thoughs things are present in that sentence.

That's like saying "I am pain." rather than "I am in pain."

Either it's an Adjective and proper grammer or it's a verb in which case it's a fragmented sentence because every eliment in the sentence that could make Mutate a verb is missing.

Again. In the Sentence "Spider-man is a Mutate." The word Mutate does not tell me what his state of being is. It does not tell me what his condition is, it doesn't even tell me he has a condition.

Here's another example. Insted of saying "Billy has the flu." You're saying "Billy is a flu." "Billy has the flu." tells me about his condition. "Billy is a flu." isn't even proper English and sounds like you're saying there's a new flu virus going around called Billy. :lol:
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:16 am

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Saber Prime wrote:
In that context, in that sentence "Spider-man is a mutate." there is nothing there to sugest state of being, condition or stage in the physical being of something or someone, or condition or stage in the physical being. Non of thoughs things are present in that sentence.


Yes they are...in the word "Mutate".

The word Mutate in that sentence is a "non action verb", it represents the after effects or condition of the action of the mutation or mutating, it represents the suffering of action

Saber Prime wrote:Again. In the Sentence "Spider-man is a Mutate." The word Mutate does not tell me what his state of being is. It does not tell me what his condition is, it doesn't even tell me he has a condition.


It does if you already had an understanding of what a "mutate" is.

And as I said a mutate ,in the marvel u, is a character whos DNA was re-written causing a mutation.

So in the statement "Spiderman is a mutate" the word mutate is telling you what his state of being is. It is telling you what his condition is.It is telling you he has a condition.

The word "mutate" ,if you understand what a mutate is, serves as a word which affirms or predicates something of Spiderman's person.

Can we end this now?????
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:22 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:
In that context, in that sentence "Spider-man is a mutate." there is nothing there to sugest state of being, condition or stage in the physical being of something or someone, or condition or stage in the physical being. Non of thoughs things are present in that sentence.


Yes they are...in the word "Mutate".

The word Mutate in that sentence is a "non action verb", it represents the after effects or condition of the action of the mutation or mutating, it represents the suffering of action


No and no.

The word "Mutate" by itself tells me nothing.

In the sentence Spider-man himself used in the cartoon, in that context Mutate tells me something bad is going to happen to him and possibly others.

In your sentence mutate only tells me what Spider-man is. It doesn't tell me anything about the after effects or condition of the action of the mutation or mutateing, it doesn't represent the suffereing of action. Mutate in the context of your sentence tells me WHAT Spider-man IS an nothing more.

Again, it's like telling me that Billy is a flu rather than Billy has the flu. Which is it? Does he have the flu or is he the flu?

Spider-man is a Mutate. Does not tell me that Spider-man HAS any kind of condition. It tells me that Spider-man IS the condition and that just doesn't make any sence.

Besides you said yourself Mutate had two different meanings. You're the one that brought up the fact that there are a GROUP OF PEOPLE in the Marvel universe called Mutates. In that sence Sabre (btw it feels really weird to type his name, I fell like I'm talking about myself) is right when he said it's a noun.

Have you looked at a Dictionary lately. Just about every word has multiple meanings listed by them and each meaning allso lists "Noun", "Verb", and "Adjative" use of the words where they can be applied. Simply put, just because it CAN be used as a verb in one sentence does not mean it can be used as a verb in EVERY sentence.

The word itself is not a verb, the context it's used in can make it a verb though. The context in which you used it, it's an Adjective because the way you used it, mutate decribes a noun, that noun being Spider-man.

If I mutate into... Into following the word Mutate make it a verb because in that context it describes something that might happen. I only say might because he started that sentence with the word If.

Spider-man will mutate. Again mutate is a verb here, before I said mutate I said "will" which describes something that's going to happen.

The spider bite caused Petere Parker to mutate. Again mutate is a verb, caused and to both make it a verb.

Spider-man is a mutate. The words is a make mutate an adjective. Nothing in that sentence tells anything that happens, happened, or is going to happen. It only tells what the noun is.

Here's another example. In the Marvel universe a Mutate is a mutated human. In that sentence Mutate is a noun, it's a name of an individual, a part of another race of humans.

Mutate by itself isn't anything. It's the context it's used in that makes it a noun, verb, or adjective not the word itself.

Here's another example for you.

The word "Fly" is it a noun, a verb, or an adjective? The correct answer is non of the abouve because I haven't even used it in a sentence yet but it could be any of them.

Fly, Noun, an insect. Plural, Flies. Zippers are allso called "flies".

Zip up your fly.

Fly, verb, the act of flying.

I can fly.

Fly, adjective, a slang term used to describe a person as being cool, hip, or whatever the hell you wanna call it.

Dude, you're so fly!

Mutate has multiple meanings as well.

Mutate, noun, a mutated human. Plural, Mutates.

Look it's a Mutate!

Mutate, verb, a prediction of something to happen or something that has happened.

The spider bite caused Peter Parker to mutate.

Mutate, Adjective, a description of a character.

Spider-man is a Mutate.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:53 pm

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Why must I repeat myself. "Mutate" is a noun in that sentence. It is neither a verb (non-action or otherwise) nor an adjective.

It's not describing what Spider-Man is, or showing his act of mutating, it's IDENTIFYING what is.

Here is "mutate" as a verb:

Spider-Man will mutate. Spider-Man is mutating. Spider-Man is going to mutate. Spider-Man mutated.

Here is "mutate" as an adjective:

Spider-Man is a mutated freak. Spider-Man has a mutated friend.

But in THIS sentence: "Spider-Man is a Mutate." the word "Mutate" identifies what he is. Not describes what he is, identifies what he is. It isn't an action (or "non-action"), it's an identification.

Adjectives describe. Verbs show action/non-action. Nouns identify!
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:25 pm

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I truly am done feeding into this.....neither of you guys have been able to describe to me how my take on the definitions of a "non action verb" do not apply.

I see in the definitions a valid reason for my argument.

You guys do not.

I say we leave it at that because all you guys are telling me is that I'm wrong but your not really telling me how or why I'm wrong.

You both are giving examples of what you believe to be the right use of the statement but neither of you are telling me why the defintions I provide dont apply.

I suggest we all let it go since this is getting us nowhere.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:28 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I truly am done feeding into this.....neither of you guys have been able to describe to me how my take on the definitions of a "non action verb" do not apply.


Because the word "is" is the verb. Yes, I know there can be more than one verb with the word "is", but the words "is" and "Mutate" are separated by the article "a", and articles combine with nouns, not verbs.

And, in this sentence, the word "Mutate" is a name (specifically, the name of the genetically altered non-mutant humans of the Marvel universe), and names are not verbs.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:03 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:And, in this sentence, the word "Mutate" is a name (specifically, the name of the genetically altered non-mutant humans of the Marvel universe), and names are not verbs.


And its also a word that reports on their condition or state of being as a result of the action of "mutating".

That is how I see it applying.And as far as I can tell the definition supports it.

I'm not saying that it does not apply as you or sabe have said ether but to me its looking like we're all right.

Ether way I dont want to take this any further.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:50 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:And, in this sentence, the word "Mutate" is a name (specifically, the name of the genetically altered non-mutant humans of the Marvel universe), and names are not verbs.


And its also a word that reports on their condition or state of being as a result of the action of "mutating".

That is how I see it applying.And as far as I can tell the definition supports it.

I'm not saying that it does not apply as you or sabe have said ether but to me its looking like we're all right.

Ether way I dont want to take this any further.


I am telling you how this does not apply but like allways you're completly ignoreing the issue. Either that or I'm not being verry clear but I don't think that's the case here because I have no idea how I could be any more clear.

Plain and simple.

You're right about the word, wrong about the context in which it's used.

Yes, it can be a verb. No, it is not a verb in that sentence.

Just because it's a really easy example, look at the word "Fly". It can be used as a noun, a verb, or an adjective depending on HOW it's used. Just the word Fly by itself doesn't really tell you what I'm refering to just like the word Mutate by itself doesn't tell you what it's refering to.

It's the sentence around the word that really defines it, not the word itself but how it's used in a sentence.

So that being said. What you're telling me is that if I told you that you're fly was down you would say fly was verb? Or if I said you were fly you would still say fly was a verb? Because that is basically what you're telling me is that context doesn't really matter, no matter how I use a word it's allways going to be a verb.

Of coure I don't know why I bother asking, you've ignored every question I've posed. I could talk about context of how a word is used till I'm blue in the face but you're never going to admit to being wrong because you allways have to be right.

This seems a bit backwards too because didn't you use context as part of an argument for my bad grammar a couple times but now all the sudden apperently it doesn't matter when you do it.

I'm getting tired of this myself, but I hope you remember this the next time you missread something I wrote. It's become painfully apperent to me now that perhaps it wasn't my fault as offten as I had thought it was. (allthough when more than 3 people can't figure out what the heck I'm talking about then I know it is my fault.)
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:38 am

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Saber Prime wrote:I am telling you how this does not apply but like allways you're completly ignoreing the issue. Either that or I'm not being verry clear


I say none of the above.I'm not ignoring you and you are being very clear.

This is just a case on me not agreeing with you.

Lets leave it at that.

Saber Prime wrote:I'm blue in the face but you're never going to admit to being wrong because you allways have to be right.


Sorry but thats your bag not mine.

Anytime I've been wrong not only have I acknowledge it but I thanked who ever [including you] proved me wrong for the correction.

You on the other had rarely acknowledge those that correct your facts and normally done even return to that particular subject.

Saber Prime wrote:This seems a bit backwards too because didn't you use context as part of an argument for my bad grammar a couple times


Not to me knowledge.

I may have told you that the way you worded something came off differently then you intended but I know I never argued a point useing the words "context" in the debate.

Saber Prime wrote: I'm getting tired of this myself, but I hope you remember this the next time you missread something I wrote.


What I'll remember is that we didnt agree on how a word was used....nothing more.
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