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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:01 am

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There has NEVER been a series that had both a "Hot Rod" and a "Hot Shot". G1 had a "Hot Spot" but not a "Hot Shot".

However, the name "hot shot" has been used in G1 as an adjective nickname for various characters. For example, in the G1 episode "The Core", Mirage tossed a grappler hook to Sunstreaker and said , "Catch, hot shot!" when his name is still Sunstreaker. It was used as a pet name, not a real name.

Energon had Hot Shot and "Rodimus", but not a "Hot Rod" (they're not that same guy).

Energon only had a "Skyblast" and a "Jetfire". "Skyfire" has only been used in the G1 cartoon, the RiD toyline, and the Henkei toyline/manga. Nowhere else.

Rodimus2006 wrote:Look in animated season 3 it is either going to be Hot-Rod or Rodimus Prime, my money is on Hot-Rod.


Why would "RP" stand for "Hot Rod"?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Dead Metal » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:26 am

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Rodimus2006 wrote:Look in animated season 3 it is either going to be Hot-Rod or Rodimus Prime, my money is on Hot-Rod.


Why would "RP" stand for "Hot Rod"?

:roll: Gee cos he said so.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:23 pm

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Rodimus2006 wrote:well then no they havent besides the Generation 1 deal at the end when Hot Rod used the matrix of leadership to upgrade to Rodimus Prime and destroying Unicron.

Other than that no, Hotrod nor Rodimus have not been together in any cartoons.
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And again I said "HotShot" and"HotRod" .....I never said Rodimus.

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Rodimus2006 wrote:ook in animated season 3 it is either going to be Hot-Rod or Rodimus Prime, my money is on Hot-Rod..


And again as I said Hasbro has not been able to use the name "HOTROD" on a toy for years legally so if they are going to release a toy they wont be useing that name.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:17 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:You'd be wrong either way, it's Rodimus not Rodimous. Besides why would it be too confusing to have Hot Shot and Hot Rod in the same series? They've done it before multiple times actully...


Dude I think you need to check your facts.....particulary when your saying that someone else is wrong :grin:

As far as I can tell they has "NEVER" been "ONE" TF cartoon where the names "HOTROD" and "HOTSHOT" were used together.

If you can please show me one since you said its been done "multiple times" ??????


You need to read further into the post before you make comments like that. ;)

If you notice I allso mentioned Skyfire and Jetfire being in Energon. I was talking about them useing simular sounding names multiple times not JUST the names Hot Rod and Hot Shot. Allso I did point out one time further into the post where Hot Shot and Hot Rod were both in G1 but Hot Shot was a backround character who's name was only mentioned in a single episode. I allso said it was technically before Hot Rod was introduced but I still count it.

Saber Prime wrote:Hell Hot Shot was actully in G1 not as a main character but the name was mentioned at the start of that race the Autobots entered. I don't know the name of the episode but all the Autobots entered into a race in a G1 episode. I belive it was the first season so Hot Rod didn't technically exsist yet but still both names were used in the series..


There was "NEVER" a Transformer character in the G1 cartoon called Hotshot.

There were 2 episodes that featured the autobots in a race and both were season 2 episodes, "The Autobot Run" and "Trans-Europe Express".

If I'm right a human driver, Auggie Cahnay, in "Trans-Europe Express" was called a "HOTSHOT" by someone but no TF's were named that in the episode.

There was a "HOTSPOT" in G1 but he was a fire truck.

The first time that the name "Hotshot" was used on a TF was in the RID serries.

So to date there has not been a TF cartoon or toyline that had characters with the names Hotrod and Hotshot at the same time.


Even if that's true that still doesn't mean haveing both in the same series would make it any more confusing than haveing Hot Spot and Hot Rod or Jetfire and Skyfire in the same series. There are ALOT of Transformers who have simular sounding names like that and they're in damn near every series.

It would only be confusing to someone who didn't actully watch the show. Like trying to ask someone who isn't a Sci-fi fan to exsplain the difference between Star Wars and Star Trek. Hell I seen someone at Wal-Mart once who was looking at Star Wars toys and called them Star Trek, she apperently didn't like either and couldn't read sence the correct title is on the packaging in huge @$$ letters.

So would you say you have trouble telling G1 Hot Spot and Hot Rod apart from eachother? No ones a fire truck and the other is a car.

Would you say you have trouble telling Energon Skyfire and Jetfire apart from eachother? No Skyfire's an Omnicon and Jetfire is a bomber plane.

So why would this be any different if it's been done before with no problems.

Saber Prime wrote:They allso had Skyfire, Skyblast, and Jetfire in Transformers Energon. Skyfire and Skyblast I can't remember right now but I think were both Omnicons useing the same mold.


This one I cant say your wrong about but I do question it.

I look around and I find no evidence of a "SHYFIRE" in the Energon serries.

Maybe it was a mistake in the cartoon but I cant find a Skyfire toy in that line.


I'm thinking it might of been an exclusive figure but Skyblast does kinda look like G1 Sky Fire.

Allso to add to the list of confusing names look what I did find.

http://www.seibertron.com/database/list ... ries_id=25

If you look through that list of names in Energon there are 4 characters who share the Sky prefix in their names and 2 of them are Sky Blast spelled as 2 words and Skyblast spelled as one word. They're the same name just with a different spelling.

I've noticed alot of TF fans tend to change the spelling of TF names sence their names are so damn confusing some times it's hart to remember if their name is one word or two. This is way more of a confusion than just haveing a simular name, they have the same name spelled differently.

Saber Prime wrote: Haveing Skyfire and Jetfire in Energon as different characters was confuseing though considering the original character from G1 used both names depending on cartoon or comic continuidy.


Can you provide me with an "Example" of the name Skyfire being used in Energon.

Because as far as I can tell the only time that name was used on a toy to date [bring any future TFA figures with the name] was on a RID toyline figure.


I'm preddy sure I've seen a repaint of the Omnicon Skyblast as Sky Fire, it may not of been in the Energon line but I thought it was.

I'm going to look up the episode titles you gave me, I only remember the G1 Autobots being in a race once. The A/E/C Autobots is another story with all the plots they had focusing aroud Speed Planet.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:12 pm

Well I thought it was at the start of the race for "The Autobot Run" but on any rate I noticed two HUGE animations errors in this first part. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUQDiGQnkXQ

The Autobots decide that Huffer is going to stay at the bace but he can be seen transforming and leaveing with all the rest of them

Later Shockwave is seen with Megatron and the Seekers when they first show up at the race track but then he dissapears. Shockwave is never supose to even leave Cybertron so why they'd make so big an error as to draw him on Earth is a mystory. Some times I think they did that kinda thing on purpus just to see if anyone would notice.

There's another simular name thing for ya BTW, Soundwave and Shockwave. I know some TF fans who are G1 purists but they don't even realize after x years that Soundwave and Shockwave are different characters.

I think the only people who actully remember them are the ones who kept up with TF this whole time and didn't just stop watching after the original series ended.

I just found another error here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLbTtlIU ... h_response Skywarp was painted like Starscream. I know it's Skywarp because of the voice and the fact he was able to Teliport.

"Trans-Europe Express"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K_mDJPi ... re=related

How did Bumblebee fall into some trees in a forest when they were out in the middle of the desert that whole time?

Anyway I didn't even hear them call that Human Driver a Hot Shot. They could of but they didn't. Allso I think he looked like Rodimus Prime when the Autobots got turned into humans by that guy from G.I. Joes.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:45 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:You need to read further into the post before you make comments like that. ;

If you notice I allso mentioned Skyfire and Jetfire being in Energon. I was talking about them useing simular sounding names multiple times not JUST the names Hot Rod and Hot Shot.



I read it 5 times in full before I replied to you.You may have "ALSO MENTIONED" other characters but it was in a seprate paragraph.

Your sentance about "Multible times" was following the sentance about HotShot and HotRod and in the same paragraph.

That implies that the 2 sentances were linked together as one statement.

Anybody reading that would have come to the same conclusion about what you were saying.

Here it is again.
Saber Prime wrote:You'd be wrong either way, it's Rodimus not Rodimous. Besides why would it be too confusing to have Hot Shot and Hot Rod in the same series? They've done it before multiple times actully.


You did not make yourself very clear. :grin:

Thats not my falt.

Saber Prime wrote: Allso I did point out one time further into the post where Hot Shot and Hot Rod were both in G1 but Hot Shot was a backround character who's name was only mentioned in a single episode. I allso said it was technically before Hot Rod was introduced but I still count it.


And again "HotShot" was not a G1 character at all.But the term "Hotshot" was used to describe characters from time to time.

Sunstreaker was once called "Hotshot".

Saber Prime wrote:Even if that's true


It is :grin:

Saber Prime wrote: that still doesn't mean haveing both in the same series would make it any more confusing than haveing Hot Spot and Hot Rod or Jetfire and Skyfire in the same series. There are ALOT of Transformers who have simular sounding names like that and they're in damn near every series.


Thats very true.I never made a comment on wether it would be confusing because I dont thin it would be.

Saber Prime wrote:Would you say you have trouble telling Energon Skyfire and Jetfire apart from eachother? No Skyfire's an Omnicon and Jetfire is a bomber plane.


Like I said I cant find any evidence of a "Energon Skyfire".

Saber Prime wrote:So why would this be any different if it's been done before with no problems.


See above.

Saber Prime wrote:I'm thinking it might of been an exclusive figure but Skyblast does kinda look like G1 Sky Fire.


Thats what they intended.

Its my understanding that Hasbro wanted to use the name "Skyfire" but lost the rights so they used "Skyblast" instead.

Saber Prime wrote:Allso to add to the list of confusing names look what I did find.

http://www.seibertron.com/database/list ... ries_id=25

If you look through that list of names in Energon there are 4 characters who share the Sky prefix in their names and 2 of them are Sky Blast spelled as 2 words and Skyblast spelled as one word. They're the same name just with a different spelling.


You dont even have to look at the later serries for evidence of that.

G1 was full of character with the name "SKY"-something.Between G1 and G2, which are linked, there was at least 10 characters with SKY in their names.

Not to mention that G1 had examples of the same name being used on 2 different characters.

There were 2 Skyhighs,2 Barricade and 2 Skydives.

Saber Prime wrote:I'm going to look up the episode titles you gave me, I only remember the G1 Autobots being in a race once. The A/E/C Autobots is another story with all the plots they had focusing aroud Speed Planet.


Go right ahead buddy.

Saber Prime wrote:Well I thought it was at the start of the race for "The Autobot Run" but on any rate I noticed two HUGE animations errors in this first part. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUQDiGQnkXQ

The Autobots decide that Huffer is going to stay at the bace but he can be seen transforming and leaveing with all the rest of them.


There are many simular errors in season 2.

Saber Prime wrote:Later Shockwave is seen with Megatron and the Seekers when they first show up at the race track but then he dissapears. Shockwave is never supose to even leave Cybertron so why they'd make so big an error as to draw him on Earth is a mystory. Some times I think they did that kinda thing on purpus just to see if anyone would notice..


If I'm right in the shots that we see Shockwave we dont see Soundwave.So maybe it was a "Swap job".

But ether way that episode is 1 of 2 times that Shockwave is seen on earth.

Saber Prime wrote:I just found another error here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLbTtlIU ... h_response Skywarp was painted like Starscream. I know it's Skywarp because of the voice and the fact he was able to Teliport..


Theres plenty of "Seeker Swap" errors in both season 1 and 2.

Saber Prime wrote:Anyway I didn't even hear them call that Human Driver a Hot Shot. They could of but they didn't..


Well I said I wasnt sure but I still think it happened.I think it was ether Bluestreak or Smokescrean that said it.

Anyway check out the episode "The core" and you'll see someone call Sunstreaker a hotshot.

Saber Prime wrote: Allso I think he looked like Rodimus Prime when the Autobots got turned into humans by that guy from G.I. Joes.


A lot of the humans looked alike.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:43 am

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Saber Prime wrote:You need to read further into the post before you make comments like that. ;

If you notice I allso mentioned Skyfire and Jetfire being in Energon. I was talking about them useing simular sounding names multiple times not JUST the names Hot Rod and Hot Shot.



I read it 5 times in full before I replied to you.You may have "ALSO MENTIONED" other characters but it was in a seprate paragraph.

Your sentance about "Multible times" was following the sentance about HotShot and HotRod and in the same paragraph.

That implies that the 2 sentances were linked together as one statement.

Anybody reading that would have come to the same conclusion about what you were saying.

Here it is again.


It was allso the first paragraph which would make it an introduction to the following paragraphs.

I could understand the confusion if they were seperate posts but not seperate paragraphs.

Saber Prime wrote:I'm thinking it might of been an exclusive figure but Skyblast does kinda look like G1 Sky Fire.


Thats what they intended.

Its my understanding that Hasbro wanted to use the name "Skyfire" but lost the rights so they used "Skyblast" instead.


Maybe that's where the confusion came from? What's his name in Japan?

Saber Prime wrote:Allso to add to the list of confusing names look what I did find.

http://www.seibertron.com/database/list ... ries_id=25

If you look through that list of names in Energon there are 4 characters who share the Sky prefix in their names and 2 of them are Sky Blast spelled as 2 words and Skyblast spelled as one word. They're the same name just with a different spelling.


You dont even have to look at the later serries for evidence of that.

G1 was full of character with the name "SKY"-something.Between G1 and G2, which are linked, there was at least 10 characters with SKY in their names.

Not to mention that G1 had examples of the same name being used on 2 different characters.

There were 2 Skyhighs,2 Barricade and 2 Skydives.


I don't recall ANY of thoughs names being used in G1. I'm not aware of any character at all with the name Skyhights. The only Barricade I'm aware of is from the movie and I belive Skydive is from Energon.

Saber Prime wrote:Later Shockwave is seen with Megatron and the Seekers when they first show up at the race track but then he dissapears. Shockwave is never supose to even leave Cybertron so why they'd make so big an error as to draw him on Earth is a mystory. Some times I think they did that kinda thing on purpus just to see if anyone would notice..


If I'm right in the shots that we see Shockwave we dont see Soundwave.So maybe it was a "Swap job".

But ether way that episode is 1 of 2 times that Shockwave is seen on earth.


Shockwave was only seen once in the episode and Soundwave was missing for longer than that. He was flying with them to the track but was not seen durring the whole time they were there untill they all met up with the Constructicons again.

You know for a character who thinks humans are inferior Megatron sure has a long history of kidnaping humans to help him with his plans. G1 Megatron didn't keep them around as long as RID and Animated did though. Heck G1 Megatron wasn't verry good at keeping captives, the guy he took to help look for the jewel/power core weather thingy managed to sneak away when no one was looking.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:13 am

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Saber Prime wrote:I could understand the confusion if they were seperate posts but not seperate paragraphs.


Again like I said both sentenses were in the same paragraph and directly followed each other.

They looked connected.

Saber Prime wrote:
Maybe that's where the confusion came from? What's his name in Japan?


I dont know what Skyblast's name is in Japan but Jetfire is called "Skyfire" in Japan.

Saber Prime wrote:I don't recall ANY of thoughs names being used in G1. I'm not aware of any character at all with the name Skyhights. The only Barricade I'm aware of is from the movie and I belive Skydive is from Energon.


Not suprissing since one 1 0f the 3 ever made it to the toon.

It was Skyhigh and one was an Autobot Pretender and the other a Autobot Micromaster.The show was canceled before the Pretenders or Micromasters were released.

Barricade was a Delux Incsecticon and a Decepticon Micromaster.The 4 Delux Insecticons never made it to the show because they could not be featured on Japan TV for legal reasons.

And Skydive was one of the Arialbots and a Decepticon Micromaster.Obviously Arialbot Skydive made it to the toon in season 2....I guess you forgot about him :-?

Saber Prime wrote:Shockwave was only seen once in the episode and Soundwave was missing for longer than that. He was flying with them to the track but was not seen durring the whole time they were there untill they all met up with the Constructicons again..


Its been a while since I saw that episode.But I dont remember if both were ever seen together in that episode.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:52 pm

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Man! Both of you are giving me a headache! :HEADHURTS:

Sto, you are correct about Sky High (Pretender) and Sky High (Micromaster), but not about the others.

There was only one Barricade in G1, the Decepticon Micromaster. The Deluxe Insecticon you're thinking of is Barrage.

As for Skydive, yes there was the Autobot Aerialbot, but there was no Decepticon Micromaster. There was a Decepticon Predator and a 2007 Universe Autobot Micromaster though.


Saber Prime, in Energon cartoon or toyline, there was no Skyfire, exclusive or otherwise. Skyblast was going to be named Skyfire, but was named Skyblast instead. In Superlink, Jetfire was named Skyfire and Skyblast was named Air Glide.

As for the Skyblast, Sky Blast, Skyboom, and Skyshadow in the Energon toyline. "Skyblast" is the Omnicon jet that looks like G1 Skyfire, "Sky Blast" is the redecoed Armada Space Team Mini-Con that was included with the Energon Ultra Magnus toy (redecoed from Armada Overload), "Skyboom" is the leader of the Energon Saber Mini-Cons (redecoed/remolded from Armada Sonar), and Sky Shadow is one of the limbs to Superion Maximus.

Out of these four, only Skyblast, Skyboom, and Sky Shadow appeared in the show. Skyblast was with the other Omnicons, Skyboom was part of the Energon Saber, and Skyshadow was part of Superion Maximus (and was shown to act like a drone controlled by the torso bot (called Storm Jet in the toyline, but still referred to as Superion Maximus in the show).

Sky Blast (Mini-Con) was just a toy.


And I thought the whole "Hot Shot in G1" thing was cleared up when this was written:
However, the name "hot shot" has been used in G1 as an adjective nickname for various characters. For example, in the G1 episode "The Core", Mirage tossed a grappler hook to Sunstreaker and said , "Catch, hot shot!" when his name is still Sunstreaker. It was used as a pet name, not a real name.

For anyone that still doesn't get it, there was no, I repeat, NO Hot Shot in G1!
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:34 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Man! Both of you are giving me a headache! :HEADHURTS:


Why is that????

Sabrblade wrote:
Sto, you are correct about Sky High (Pretender) and Sky High (Micromaster), but not about the others.


I did get some details mixed up but I was on the right track....let me explain.......

Sabrblade wrote:
There was only one Barricade in G1, the Decepticon Micromaster. The Deluxe Insecticon you're thinking of is Barrage.


Your right.....but my mistake was in typing "Barricade".

The name "Barrage" was the delux Insecticon as [as you pointed out] and the name was also used on an Autobot Micromaster.
http://www.tfu.info/1990/Autobot/Barrage/barrage.htm

And my original point was to show how in G1 they used the same names on different characters.

I dont know why I mixed those up.I need some sleep.

Sabrblade wrote:As for Skydive, yes there was the Autobot Aerialbot, but there was no Decepticon Micromaster. There was a Decepticon Predator and a 2007 Universe Autobot Micromaster though.


I thought the "Predator"'s were a sub-group of the Micromasters toy line.

Being a U.K. exclusive I've never seen one so I didnt know much about it.


Sabrblade wrote:And I thought the whole "Hot Shot in G1" thing was cleared up when this was written:
However, the name "hot shot" has been used in G1 as an adjective nickname for various characters. For example, in the G1 episode "The Core", Mirage tossed a grappler hook to Sunstreaker and said , "Catch, hot shot!" when his name is still Sunstreaker. It was used as a pet name, not a real name.

For anyone that still doesn't get it, there was no, I repeat, NO Hot Shot in G1!


Serves you right for thinking.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:45 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:As for Skydive, yes there was the Autobot Aerialbot, but there was no Decepticon Micromaster. There was a Decepticon Predator and a 2007 Universe Autobot Micromaster though.


I thought the "Predator"'s were a sub-group of the Micromasters toy line.

Being a U.K. exclusive I've never seen one so I didnt know much about it.

No, the Predators were full-sized TFs. They consisted of Skyquake, Stalker, Falcon, Skydive, Snare, and Talon.

The toys of Skyquake and Stalker were later redecoed in Machine Wars as Starscream and Soundwave, and again in Universe (2003-2007) as King Atlas and Soundwave again.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:26 pm

Wow Sto finally made a mistake. :lol:

On a side note I haven't slept well for the last 2 weeks, forgot about the Airealbot's Skydive.

As for the whole Pretenders and Micromasters thing, non of them ever came to the U.S. you're useing a mix of U.S. Characters who happen to share the same name as a completly different character from Japan. Either that or the "two" characters are actully the same with one being an upgrade of the other but that I can't say for sure. Probly more likely that there were names used both in the U.S. and Japan but for completly different characters which would mean the Pretenders and Micromasters were new names for their audience.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:46 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:Wow Sto finally made a mistake. :lol:

On a side note I haven't slept well for the last 2 weeks, forgot about the Airealbot's Skydive.

As for the whole Pretenders and Micromasters thing, non of them ever came to the U.S. you're useing a mix of U.S. Characters who happen to share the same name as a completly different character from Japan. Either that or the "two" characters are actully the same with one being an upgrade of the other but that I can't say for sure. Probly more likely that there were names used both in the U.S. and Japan but for completly different characters which would mean the Pretenders and Micromasters were new names for their audience.

You must not have been sleeping well because I can't believe you just said that. Do you actually believe that there were no Pretenders and Micromasters sold in in the U.S., and that all of them are Japanese-exclusive? What Transformers toys do you think the years 1988-1990 consisted of? The answer is: "Pretenders and Micromasters"!

If you don't believe me, check out these scans of the U.S. 1988, 1989, and 1990 Transformers toy catalogs:

1988 Autobot toys (Autobot Pretenders are in the middle)
1988 Decepticon toys (Decepticon Pretenders are middle-right)
1989 toys A (Powermaster Optimus Prime is ther only non-Pretender toy on this page)
1989 toys B (Micromasters galore!)
1990 toys (More Micromasters galore.)

As for them having similar names to other characters, don't count on them being the same bots.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:27 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:No, the Predators were full-sized TFs. They consisted of Skyquake, Stalker, Falcon, Skydive, Snare, and Talon.

The toys of Skyquake and Stalker were later redecoed in Machine Wars as Starscream and Soundwave, and again in Universe (2003-2007) as King Atlas and Soundwave again.


I didnt know that there were that many of them.....thanks :grin:

Saber Prime wrote:Wow Sto finally made a mistake. :lol: .


Yep I did.

But it was more of a "Typo" then a mistake with the facts.My facts were still right I just got the names mixed up.

Saber Prime wrote:On a side note I haven't slept well for the last 2 weeks, forgot about the Airealbot's Skydive.

As for the whole Pretenders and Micromasters thing, non of them ever came to the U.S. you're useing a mix of U.S. Characters who happen to share the same name as a completly different character from Japan. Either that or the "two" characters are actully the same with one being an upgrade of the other but that I can't say for sure. Probly more likely that there were names used both in the U.S. and Japan but for completly different characters which would mean the Pretenders and Micromasters were new names for their audience.


Since "Sabrblade" already addressed some of this.....

The Pretenders and Micromasters did come to the U.S. in both the toy line and the comics so saying that I'm mixing Japanese characters with those of the U.S. is ridiculos. :o) because I'm not doing so.

Fact is of the "names" I listed,the U.K. Exclusive "Skydive" was the only one that was not seen in the U.S.

Also many of the names of the Pretenders in Japan were completly different.So they were not new names nor were they upgraded bodies for other characters.

The "Japan names" for these characters has nothing to do with this conversation.The toys I'm talking about were all released in the U.S. by Hasbro before the G1 line ended.

The characters I mention were all "Different" characters with the same names according to the info on their toy bios.And they werent the only ones to do so.Only one of the names I listed were even on the same teams.

Granted these toys did not make it to the G1 cartoon before it was canceled but they did get released in the U.S. and made it to the G1 Marvel comics which was the the original "medium" for the fiction.

I know that by the way "YOU" view things, if they didnt make it to the cartoon they dont count.But thats a poor way of judging a characters value.And unlike the other lines, G1 started out as a comic book and not a cartoon.

I cant speak for wether the "Micromasters" would have gotten repersented in the toon if it were not canceled but i happen to know for a "FACT" that the "Predenders" were planned for season 4 and 5.

You should also keep in mind that the G1 cartoon was a "U.S. made cartoon" not a Japanese cartoon that was dubbed for the U.S. and abroad.

Hasbro had no plans to start importing Takara Headmasters or Masterforce serries for the U.S. tv markets.Hasbro and Marvel had planed out the production of season 4 and the begining of season 5 with their own stories like they did preveiously with seasons 1 threw 3.

So even if the G1 cartoon was not canceled we would not have gotten a dubbed version of Takara's TF serries.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:09 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Wow Sto finally made a mistake. :lol:

On a side note I haven't slept well for the last 2 weeks, forgot about the Airealbot's Skydive.

As for the whole Pretenders and Micromasters thing, non of them ever came to the U.S. you're useing a mix of U.S. Characters who happen to share the same name as a completly different character from Japan. Either that or the "two" characters are actully the same with one being an upgrade of the other but that I can't say for sure. Probly more likely that there were names used both in the U.S. and Japan but for completly different characters which would mean the Pretenders and Micromasters were new names for their audience.

You must not have been sleeping well because I can't believe you just said that. Do you actually believe that there were no Pretenders and Micromasters sold in in the U.S., and that all of them are Japanese-exclusive? What Transformers toys do you think the years 1988-1990 consisted of? The answer is: "Pretenders and Micromasters"!

If you don't believe me, check out these scans of the U.S. 1988, 1989, and 1990 Transformers toy catalogs:

1988 Autobot toys (Autobot Pretenders are in the middle)
1988 Decepticon toys (Decepticon Pretenders are middle-right)
1989 toys A (Powermaster Optimus Prime is ther only non-Pretender toy on this page)
1989 toys B (Micromasters galore!)
1990 toys (More Micromasters galore.)

As for them having similar names to other characters, don't count on them being the same bots.


The series was canceled in the US after the pilot for the Headmasters series. Pretenders and Micromasters came after the Headmasters. Transformers simply didn't exsist in the U.S. from that point on till Beast Wars when they finally returned to the U.S.

Thinking back a bit, I would of picked up both Bumblebee and Jazz in 1990 but I was only 4 years old at the time and I don't remember anything from the 3 years preceeding and not much of that year.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:16 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:The series was canceled in the US after the pilot for the Headmasters series. Pretenders and Micromasters came after the Headmasters. Transformers simply didn't exsist in the U.S. from that point on till Beast Wars when they finally returned to the U.S.


Again they did get released in the U.S. and did make appearances in the U.S. comic books.

The G1 toyline continued into the year 1990 and the G1 comic book lasted till 1989 if I'm right.

So Transformers did exsist past "The Rebirth".

There was even the "not so well known season 5" that was a re-edited selected G1 episodes that featured a "live action" puppet of Powermaster Optimus Prime as narriator of the story.

So since Powermaster Prime made it into continuity then we can assume that the Pretenders did as well.

And there were Transformers in the U.S. before "Beast Wars".

There was the Generation 2 toyline,comic book and cartoon.While the cartoon itself was a "re-edited" version of the G1 toon it still was placed on the air to acompany the G2 toyline.

What your saying is in error.

What you want to say is that the characters do not exsist in the U.S. cartoons continuity.

But were not talking about continuity or cartoons....were talking about examples of the same names or simular names being used on 2 different characters within the same line.

As it pretains to that topic, the Pretenders and Micromaster "DO" exsist.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:20 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:The series was canceled in the US after the pilot for the Headmasters series. Pretenders and Micromasters came after the Headmasters. Transformers simply didn't exsist in the U.S. from that point on till Beast Wars when they finally returned to the U.S.


Again they did get released in the U.S. and did make appearances in the U.S. comic books.

The G1 toyline continued into the year 1990 and the G1 comic book lasted till 1989 if I'm right.

What your saying is in error.

What you want to say is that the characters do not exsist in the U.S. cartoons continuity.

But were not talking about continuity or cartoons....were talking about examples of the same names or simular names being used on 2 different characters within the same line.

As it pretains to that topic, the Pretenders and Micromaster "DO" exsist.


read my edit. ;)
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:43 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:read my edit. ;)


I just did thank you.....Read my edit I added some info about G2 and the "so called" season 5.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby maximusprimal81 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:46 am

could you tell me when the last two episodes of season 2 is on Uk tv
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Jacoiros » Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:44 pm

Here's some pics of the Mickey-Bot:

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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:27 pm

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Jacoiros wrote:Here's some pics of the Mickey-Bot:

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Wrong thread. That Mickey Mouse TF has nothing to do with Animated.
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Postby Mechabreaker » Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:20 pm

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I'm really liking the new preview pics of Strika and Rodimus. I just hope that Rodimus won't kill off Optimus in Animated!!! XD
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:00 pm

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Here's the scenerio I'd like to see with Rodimus Prime. I'd like to see him as a Optimus' old academy pal and best friend. And I'd like to see Sentinel have a strong friendship with him as well, which would further complicate Sentinel's current relationship with Optimus.

If both Optimus and Sentinel were good friends with Rodimus, we'd then get to see some sort humorous fight over who Rodimus likes more as a best friend.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:11 am

Sabrblade wrote:Here's the scenerio I'd like to see with Rodimus Prime. I'd like to see him as a Optimus' old academy pal and best friend. And I'd like to see Sentinel have a strong friendship with him as well, which would further complicate Sentinel's current relationship with Optimus.

If both Optimus and Sentinel were good friends with Rodimus, we'd then get to see some sort humorous fight over who Rodimus likes more as a best friend.


I can't say I like the basic concept because I've been in the position you put Rodimus into and it's not a fun exsperience. It would be exstremly difficult to pull that off as a humorous situation but that all depends on how it's played out. For Rodimus it would quite literally feel like Optimus and Sentinel were playing tug a war pulling both arms in oppisite directions.

That's one way to play on the humor, if they physically did that rather than haveing Optimus and Sentinel fight like they allways do and Rodimus just trying to stay impartial to their fight.

Really there's no way any of the 3 sides has anything to gain from this kind of fighting and being a kids cartoon they'd probly have to make that a moral to the story which would make it even harder to make the situation funny.

They kind of did something like this on Sponge Bob but it was Patric and SB fighting over Squidward who didn't like either of them anyway and he was the reason they started fighting in the first place only they didn't know it so all that made it really easy to make the situation funny. The situation you speak of is really hard especially for Rodimus.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:57 am

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Saber Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Here's the scenerio I'd like to see with Rodimus Prime. I'd like to see him as a Optimus' old academy pal and best friend. And I'd like to see Sentinel have a strong friendship with him as well, which would further complicate Sentinel's current relationship with Optimus.

If both Optimus and Sentinel were good friends with Rodimus, we'd then get to see some sort humorous fight over who Rodimus likes more as a best friend.


I can't say I like the basic concept because I've been in the position you put Rodimus into and it's not a fun exsperience. It would be exstremly difficult to pull that off as a humorous situation but that all depends on how it's played out. For Rodimus it would quite literally feel like Optimus and Sentinel were playing tug a war pulling both arms in oppisite directions.

That's one way to play on the humor, if they physically did that rather than haveing Optimus and Sentinel fight like they allways do and Rodimus just trying to stay impartial to their fight.

Really there's no way any of the 3 sides has anything to gain from this kind of fighting and being a kids cartoon they'd probly have to make that a moral to the story which would make it even harder to make the situation funny.

They kind of did something like this on Sponge Bob but it was Patric and SB fighting over Squidward who didn't like either of them anyway and he was the reason they started fighting in the first place only they didn't know it so all that made it really easy to make the situation funny. The situation you speak of is really hard especially for Rodimus.


Well, it would be like this. Optimus would view Rodimus as a good friend and comrade. Sentinel would view Rodimus as a respectable ally and warrior. When Rodimus shows up, Optimus would want to catch up with his old friend and rekindle their friendship. but Sentinel, not wanting Optimus to have anything to do with Rodimus, would try to get Rodimus to forget about Optimus and focus on more important things like the current Decepticon problem... and how much a greater Autobot than Optimus Sentinel is (or so he believes).

The humor in this would be Sentinel trying to get Rodimus away from Optimus, and failing. Cuz I don't think a jerk like Sentinel would be enough to break up a strong friendship between good friends like Optimus and Rodimus.

Of course, this is all just what I'm thinking of. It's not official. Just to let those of you who might be reading this and thinking it's real know that it's not.
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