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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:15 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Let me put this way. It's not describing his state of being. It's defining his state of being.


I can agree with that.


I rewrote my post to make a little more sense.

Sabrblade wrote:Let me put this way. It's not describing his state of being. It's identifying his state of being.

"Spider-Man (proper noun) is (copula/linking verb) a (indefinite article) Mutate (different proper noun identiying the first noun)."
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:55 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Let me put this way. It's not describing his state of being. It's defining his state of being.


I can agree with that.


I rewrote my post to make a little more sense.

Sabrblade wrote:Let me put this way. It's not describing his state of being. It's identifying his state of being.

"Spider-Man (proper noun) is (copula/linking verb) a (indefinite article) Mutate (different proper noun identiying the first noun)."


Ether way this is going nowhere I say we let it die.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:50 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:So if state of being can describe the "condition or stage in the physical being of something or someone" then saying "Spiderman is a mutate" can describe his "condition or stage in the physical being" at it is his "state of being".

Mutate is a word which affirms or predicates something of Spidermans person.

Mutate is a word that describes or to reports on a subjects [Spidermans] state of condition.


Plane and simple.

The word yes.

That sentence, NO.

Again, it's not the word that's an issue, it's the context in which it's used.

In that context, in that sentence "Spider-man is a mutate." there is nothing there to sugest state of being, condition or stage in the physical being of something or someone, or condition or stage in the physical being. Non of thoughs things are present in that sentence.

That's like saying "I am pain." rather than "I am in pain."

Either it's an Adjective and proper grammer or it's a verb in which case it's a fragmented sentence because every eliment in the sentence that could make Mutate a verb is missing.

Again. In the Sentence "Spider-man is a Mutate." The word Mutate does not tell me what his state of being is. It does not tell me what his condition is, it doesn't even tell me he has a condition.

Here's another example. Insted of saying "Billy has the flu." You're saying "Billy is a flu." "Billy has the flu." tells me about his condition. "Billy is a flu." isn't even proper English and sounds like you're saying there's a new flu virus going around called Billy. :lol:
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:16 am

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In that context, in that sentence "Spider-man is a mutate." there is nothing there to sugest state of being, condition or stage in the physical being of something or someone, or condition or stage in the physical being. Non of thoughs things are present in that sentence.


Yes they are...in the word "Mutate".

The word Mutate in that sentence is a "non action verb", it represents the after effects or condition of the action of the mutation or mutating, it represents the suffering of action

Saber Prime wrote:Again. In the Sentence "Spider-man is a Mutate." The word Mutate does not tell me what his state of being is. It does not tell me what his condition is, it doesn't even tell me he has a condition.


It does if you already had an understanding of what a "mutate" is.

And as I said a mutate ,in the marvel u, is a character whos DNA was re-written causing a mutation.

So in the statement "Spiderman is a mutate" the word mutate is telling you what his state of being is. It is telling you what his condition is.It is telling you he has a condition.

The word "mutate" ,if you understand what a mutate is, serves as a word which affirms or predicates something of Spiderman's person.

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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:22 pm

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In that context, in that sentence "Spider-man is a mutate." there is nothing there to sugest state of being, condition or stage in the physical being of something or someone, or condition or stage in the physical being. Non of thoughs things are present in that sentence.


Yes they are...in the word "Mutate".

The word Mutate in that sentence is a "non action verb", it represents the after effects or condition of the action of the mutation or mutating, it represents the suffering of action


No and no.

The word "Mutate" by itself tells me nothing.

In the sentence Spider-man himself used in the cartoon, in that context Mutate tells me something bad is going to happen to him and possibly others.

In your sentence mutate only tells me what Spider-man is. It doesn't tell me anything about the after effects or condition of the action of the mutation or mutateing, it doesn't represent the suffereing of action. Mutate in the context of your sentence tells me WHAT Spider-man IS an nothing more.

Again, it's like telling me that Billy is a flu rather than Billy has the flu. Which is it? Does he have the flu or is he the flu?

Spider-man is a Mutate. Does not tell me that Spider-man HAS any kind of condition. It tells me that Spider-man IS the condition and that just doesn't make any sence.

Besides you said yourself Mutate had two different meanings. You're the one that brought up the fact that there are a GROUP OF PEOPLE in the Marvel universe called Mutates. In that sence Sabre (btw it feels really weird to type his name, I fell like I'm talking about myself) is right when he said it's a noun.

Have you looked at a Dictionary lately. Just about every word has multiple meanings listed by them and each meaning allso lists "Noun", "Verb", and "Adjative" use of the words where they can be applied. Simply put, just because it CAN be used as a verb in one sentence does not mean it can be used as a verb in EVERY sentence.

The word itself is not a verb, the context it's used in can make it a verb though. The context in which you used it, it's an Adjective because the way you used it, mutate decribes a noun, that noun being Spider-man.

If I mutate into... Into following the word Mutate make it a verb because in that context it describes something that might happen. I only say might because he started that sentence with the word If.

Spider-man will mutate. Again mutate is a verb here, before I said mutate I said "will" which describes something that's going to happen.

The spider bite caused Petere Parker to mutate. Again mutate is a verb, caused and to both make it a verb.

Spider-man is a mutate. The words is a make mutate an adjective. Nothing in that sentence tells anything that happens, happened, or is going to happen. It only tells what the noun is.

Here's another example. In the Marvel universe a Mutate is a mutated human. In that sentence Mutate is a noun, it's a name of an individual, a part of another race of humans.

Mutate by itself isn't anything. It's the context it's used in that makes it a noun, verb, or adjective not the word itself.

Here's another example for you.

The word "Fly" is it a noun, a verb, or an adjective? The correct answer is non of the abouve because I haven't even used it in a sentence yet but it could be any of them.

Fly, Noun, an insect. Plural, Flies. Zippers are allso called "flies".

Zip up your fly.

Fly, verb, the act of flying.

I can fly.

Fly, adjective, a slang term used to describe a person as being cool, hip, or whatever the hell you wanna call it.

Dude, you're so fly!

Mutate has multiple meanings as well.

Mutate, noun, a mutated human. Plural, Mutates.

Look it's a Mutate!

Mutate, verb, a prediction of something to happen or something that has happened.

The spider bite caused Peter Parker to mutate.

Mutate, Adjective, a description of a character.

Spider-man is a Mutate.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:53 pm

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Why must I repeat myself. "Mutate" is a noun in that sentence. It is neither a verb (non-action or otherwise) nor an adjective.

It's not describing what Spider-Man is, or showing his act of mutating, it's IDENTIFYING what is.

Here is "mutate" as a verb:

Spider-Man will mutate. Spider-Man is mutating. Spider-Man is going to mutate. Spider-Man mutated.

Here is "mutate" as an adjective:

Spider-Man is a mutated freak. Spider-Man has a mutated friend.

But in THIS sentence: "Spider-Man is a Mutate." the word "Mutate" identifies what he is. Not describes what he is, identifies what he is. It isn't an action (or "non-action"), it's an identification.

Adjectives describe. Verbs show action/non-action. Nouns identify!
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:25 pm

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I truly am done feeding into this.....neither of you guys have been able to describe to me how my take on the definitions of a "non action verb" do not apply.

I see in the definitions a valid reason for my argument.

You guys do not.

I say we leave it at that because all you guys are telling me is that I'm wrong but your not really telling me how or why I'm wrong.

You both are giving examples of what you believe to be the right use of the statement but neither of you are telling me why the defintions I provide dont apply.

I suggest we all let it go since this is getting us nowhere.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:28 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I truly am done feeding into this.....neither of you guys have been able to describe to me how my take on the definitions of a "non action verb" do not apply.


Because the word "is" is the verb. Yes, I know there can be more than one verb with the word "is", but the words "is" and "Mutate" are separated by the article "a", and articles combine with nouns, not verbs.

And, in this sentence, the word "Mutate" is a name (specifically, the name of the genetically altered non-mutant humans of the Marvel universe), and names are not verbs.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:03 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:And, in this sentence, the word "Mutate" is a name (specifically, the name of the genetically altered non-mutant humans of the Marvel universe), and names are not verbs.


And its also a word that reports on their condition or state of being as a result of the action of "mutating".

That is how I see it applying.And as far as I can tell the definition supports it.

I'm not saying that it does not apply as you or sabe have said ether but to me its looking like we're all right.

Ether way I dont want to take this any further.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:50 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:And, in this sentence, the word "Mutate" is a name (specifically, the name of the genetically altered non-mutant humans of the Marvel universe), and names are not verbs.


And its also a word that reports on their condition or state of being as a result of the action of "mutating".

That is how I see it applying.And as far as I can tell the definition supports it.

I'm not saying that it does not apply as you or sabe have said ether but to me its looking like we're all right.

Ether way I dont want to take this any further.


I am telling you how this does not apply but like allways you're completly ignoreing the issue. Either that or I'm not being verry clear but I don't think that's the case here because I have no idea how I could be any more clear.

Plain and simple.

You're right about the word, wrong about the context in which it's used.

Yes, it can be a verb. No, it is not a verb in that sentence.

Just because it's a really easy example, look at the word "Fly". It can be used as a noun, a verb, or an adjective depending on HOW it's used. Just the word Fly by itself doesn't really tell you what I'm refering to just like the word Mutate by itself doesn't tell you what it's refering to.

It's the sentence around the word that really defines it, not the word itself but how it's used in a sentence.

So that being said. What you're telling me is that if I told you that you're fly was down you would say fly was verb? Or if I said you were fly you would still say fly was a verb? Because that is basically what you're telling me is that context doesn't really matter, no matter how I use a word it's allways going to be a verb.

Of coure I don't know why I bother asking, you've ignored every question I've posed. I could talk about context of how a word is used till I'm blue in the face but you're never going to admit to being wrong because you allways have to be right.

This seems a bit backwards too because didn't you use context as part of an argument for my bad grammar a couple times but now all the sudden apperently it doesn't matter when you do it.

I'm getting tired of this myself, but I hope you remember this the next time you missread something I wrote. It's become painfully apperent to me now that perhaps it wasn't my fault as offten as I had thought it was. (allthough when more than 3 people can't figure out what the heck I'm talking about then I know it is my fault.)
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:38 am

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Saber Prime wrote:I am telling you how this does not apply but like allways you're completly ignoreing the issue. Either that or I'm not being verry clear


I say none of the above.I'm not ignoring you and you are being very clear.

This is just a case on me not agreeing with you.

Lets leave it at that.

Saber Prime wrote:I'm blue in the face but you're never going to admit to being wrong because you allways have to be right.


Sorry but thats your bag not mine.

Anytime I've been wrong not only have I acknowledge it but I thanked who ever [including you] proved me wrong for the correction.

You on the other had rarely acknowledge those that correct your facts and normally done even return to that particular subject.

Saber Prime wrote:This seems a bit backwards too because didn't you use context as part of an argument for my bad grammar a couple times


Not to me knowledge.

I may have told you that the way you worded something came off differently then you intended but I know I never argued a point useing the words "context" in the debate.

Saber Prime wrote: I'm getting tired of this myself, but I hope you remember this the next time you missread something I wrote.


What I'll remember is that we didnt agree on how a word was used....nothing more.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Dead Metal » Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:00 am

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Oh wow what do you guys think of the awesome new TFA Wheljack and Perceptor? :D
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:47 pm

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It is the article "a" that makes it a noun. "A Mutate". Articles can only combine with nouns, not adjectives. Unless the adjective is already combined with the noun that the article is combining with. But in this case, it's not. Because the article is connected with "Mutate", not "Spider-Man", thus making "Mutate" a noun.

Besides, since I've already stated that "Mutate" is name, I will continue in stating that names are labels for nouns, not adjectives. Again, unless the adjective is already combined with the noun that the name is labelling. But, again, in this case it's not. Because the words "Spider-Man" and "Mutate" are separated by "is" and "a". If they were combined, they would be next to each other instead of apart. Therefore, "Mutate" is a proper noun.

And Sto, this was not aimed at you, just to let you know.

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Perceptor's head reminds me of the John Bull Gundam/Royal Gundam.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Dead Metal » Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:01 pm

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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Star_ling » Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:26 pm

I almost never post here but I to comment on him. I thought Perceptor's design was a little out there, but maybe his head is big for a reason as you said. Did you guys see the preview page? That may be a really good issue.

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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:29 pm

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Oh wow what do you guys think of the awesome new TFA Wheljack and Perceptor? :D


I think Wheeljack looks to bulky.

Sabrblade wrote:And Sto, this was not aimed at you, just to let you know.


Sure seemed that way....I had a pretty witty response all lined up too :P

Star_ling wrote:Saber Prime, Sto_vo_kor2000 are you guys on a TF debate team or what? Everytime I visit the thread you guys are going on about one thing or another. It's cool though debating can be awesome. 8)


Now theres a good idea.

A TF debate team :-?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:22 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:And Sto, this was not aimed at you, just to let you know.


Sure seemed that way....I had a pretty witty response all lined up too :P


Well, you were saying it was a verb and he was saying it was an adjective.

Might as well just let me hear your comeback. As Optimus Prime once claimed that said in the 80s, "Lay it on me, man." :P
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:30 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:And Sto, this was not aimed at you, just to let you know.


Sure seemed that way....I had a pretty witty response all lined up too :P


Well, you were saying it was a verb and he was saying it was an adjective.

Might as well just let me hear your comeback. As Optimus Prime once claimed that said in the 80s, "Lay it on me, man." :P


Well I cant remember how I was going to word it but the jist of it was about knowing I should have read the sign saying "not to feed the monkeys" as I entered this zoo :o)
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:41 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Well I cant remember how I was going to word it but the jist of it was about knowing I should have read the sign saying "not to feed the monkeys" as I entered this zoo :o)


Some how that got me wondering if there's a zoo on Cybertron where they keep all the beast Transformers.
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:40 am

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Well I cant remember how I was going to word it but the jist of it was about knowing I should have read the sign saying "not to feed the monkeys" as I entered this zoo :o)


Some how that got me wondering if there's a zoo on Cybertron where they keep all the beast Transformers.


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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:58 am

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I think a Cybertronian would consist of something like Trans-Organics, instead of beast TFs. A person's a person, no matter their altmode.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:37 pm

Sabrblade wrote:I think a Cybertronian would consist of something like Trans-Organics, instead of beast TFs. A person's a person, no matter their altmode.


Trans-Organics can be Transformers too. (Beast Machines) But the original ones are probly too powerfull to be confined in a zoo. (G1 season 3)

Besides the zoos would probly be run by Decepticons who don't seem to treat the Beast Transfromers as equills.

G1, Beasts had to remove their heads, vehicles just had Target Master Partners.

Beast Machines, Megatron was trying to purge Cybertron and himself of "organic contamination."

Animated, Blackarachnia, she hates her own alt mode and so does everyone else, or at least Blitzwing does anyway.

Pluse Beast Transformers tend to have Beast-like qualitys in their personalitys makeing them offten alot less civilized than Vehicle Transformers. There have been a few exceptions but the only one I can really think of right now was both beast and vehicle.

Then you have the cassets. (G1) Ravage and Laserbeak are hardly "people" they are beasts not just in mode but personality as well. Allthough in the case of Ravage he got a SERIOUS upgrade for Beast Wars.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:23 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:I think a Cybertronian would consist of something like Trans-Organics, instead of beast TFs. A person's a person, no matter their altmode.


Trans-Organics can be Transformers too. (Beast Machines)


No, those are "Technorganics", not "Trans-Organics".

Trans-Organics are those cyber monster things we saw in the G1 season 3 episode, "The Dweller in the Depths".

Technorganics are the Beast Machines Maximals.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Robot4762 » Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:09 pm

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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:26 pm

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Anyone else psyched to hear that Alpha Trion and Dai Atlas may be in season 3?
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