Sabrblade wrote:There's only one E in my name.
Sorry buddy
Saber Prime wrote:Why did you say character twice?
I F'ed up.
Saber Prime wrote:It has absolutly nothing to do with Personality. I started that post by saying "back on subject"
And you followed that by saying "it cant be" and as I pointed out thats as good as saying I was dead wrong.
Saber Prime wrote:Your reply was noted, loged, and ignored untill future refrence when we actully know what his personality is.
Again were all here to talk about the serries as it is and about whats to come.
Hence why I tried to expand on the conversation.
Saber Prime wrote:And I never said anything about personality either so I fail to see how that's a valid point. My first post may not of been clear but my second post clearly mentions the COLOR GREEN as an aspect of APPEARANCE. The question is even if you have a valid reason to missunderstand the first post and I will admit you do, how does that exsplain how you continually missunderstood AFTER I was clearly talking about appearance in my SECOND post?
I didnt misunderstand you at all.
Your second post started the debate by saying my idea could not be right.
I asked you why and so far you havent given me a logical answer other then the idea that Rodimus should then wear green.
Which is irrelivent since the other characters dont share a color scheme with the heros you linked as their counterparts.
Saber Prime wrote:Yes which is clearly an aspect of his APPEARANCE not his personality.
Which is as clearly not applicable to the case since the other characters you linked to heroes dont share any appearance traits with each other either.
Saber Prime wrote: We don't know what his personality is so why talk about it?
This is a discussion forums.Talking abiout new idea is why were all here.
Saber Prime wrote: I was changeing the subject, it's that simple. I just don't get how that's so hard to understand.
And you changed the subject by saying I was "DEAD WRONG" ,in not so many words, If you cant see how that can spark a debate then I dont know what to tell you.
Saber Prime wrote:Again, I didn't feel the reasons needed to be listed. If you read each comparison all of the Transformers share simular "powers" and weapon as the Marvel characters they were being compaired to.
Now your on the right track....now tell me how does Green Arrow not fit that criteria as well as Hawkeye????]
Lets see, Hawkeye has a bow and arrow, Green Arrow has a bow and Arrow, seems like they both can be templates for TFA Rodimus at this point.
Saber Prime wrote:Non of your excuses
My excuses?????Your the one with excuses.
First you claim that you were clearly talking about appearance in your first post, I prove you never mentioned Appearance in your first post so then you change your tune by saying you said it in your second post.
First you go on about how the characters appearances are simular to the heroes but now your saying its weapoms and powers.
Sounds like excuses to me.
Saber Prime wrote: are holding any weight because everything you're claiming hasn't been exsplained actully has, multiple times, and multiple ways.
Yeah you've given answers but non that hold any weight.Your first answer was to say that if Rodimus was based on Green Arrow then Rodimus should have some green on him.
Which makes no sence since the other TFA characters and the heroes you linked them too dont share color scheme traits with each other either.
Now your saying that the TFA characters and the heroes you linked them to share powers and weapons in common.
Well TFA Rodimus has at least his weapon in common with both Hawkeye and Green Arrow....weather he will share the same abilities with the bow and arrow remains to be seen.
Saber Prime wrote: I'm actully starting to get annoyed by it.
Too bad.
Saber Prime wrote:We've had this conversation before, your not going to get any different answers by asking the same questions over and over again.
As I said you havent given a logical answer.
Saber Prime wrote: All that's going to accomplish is to annoy the hell out of me.
Again too bad.
If your so annoyed dont reply.Your answers keep failing to give a real answer anyway.
Saber Prime wrote:I actully DID start the conversation that way,
Nope
Saber Prime wrote: you just failed to see what they were being compaired to because you're stuck on the personality subject.
No its because the other heroes you listed dont share any appearance traits of color scheme traits with the TFA characters either.
Saber Prime wrote: It's actully preddy clear if you can find the link, the common factor in each comparison.
Its just not that clear.
Saber Prime wrote:
Sentinal Prime = Captain America, both have shields
Which is a weapon and not a part of his over all appearance.
Saber Prime wrote:
Ultra Magnus = Thor, both have a Hammer and lighting based powers
Which is a weapon and not part of his over all appearance.
Saber Prime wrote:Rodimus Prime = Halkeye, Both use a bow and arrow
Which is a weapon and not part of his over all appearance.
And BTW....useing your criteria....
Rodimus = Green Arrow, Both use a bow and arrowSaber Prime wrote:Is there any part that even sugests or implys anything about personality? No there isn't, they just all have simular powers and weapons which is all part of Appearance.
Even if you want to claim that weapons and powers are part of their appearance, which I wouldnt agree with, who does that negate Green arrow as a possibility for compaison to Rodimus?
Rodimus and Green Arrow both use a bow and arrow which meens he shares as much in common as your other comparisons.
Saber Prime wrote:I don't see why you're even disputing this, I'm sorry to say, but it seems everyone else that read that knew what I was talking about from the first post. You're the only one who couldn't figure it out.
As I said I knew where you were going but since you werent specific I expanded on the idea.
And the linking of Rodimus to Green Arrow shares as much in common as your comparison of Sentinel Prime and Captain America
They both have weapons in common.
Saber Prime wrote:As I said before, it was a nice thought but without knowing what his personality is there isn't anything we can add to that side of the converstion untill we actully see him.
No more then we can add to the idea that their useing Hawkeye.
Their both equally possible.
Saber Prime wrote:You're finally addmitting you started it eh?
I never denied bring up personalities into the conversation.
What I deny is the fact that its what started the debate....and what started the debate was you saying I was wrong for thinking that Green Arrow might be what they were baseing TFA Rodimus on.
Which you did, even if in not so many words.
Saber Prime wrote: And again, how is that supose to exspand on the conversation when we don't know what his personality is yet?
Conversation....its how we humans express new ideas
Saber Prime wrote: How do you exspect us to talk about something neither of us has seen yet?
Your kidding me right???
There were thread about TFA close to a year before it was ever on the air.
There were threads about a second Transformers movie even before the first one was released.
And lets not mention how many threads were started about the first TF movie well over a year before it was released.
Its not uncommon for people to discuss the possibilities of future stories and characters.
And for you to suggest that its not possible to do so proves your just in this for the sake of arguing.Saber Prime wrote:I've asked that question several times now and you still have yet to answer it. I'd really like to know how to talk about a subject that neither of us knows about.
See above.
Saber Prime wrote:1. How can I be makeing an arguement of it when I have not once ever commented on the personailty debate.
By saying I was wrong, even if in not thos words, but by saying Rodimus
"CANT" be based on Green Arrow you ,"IN EFFECT" ,called my idea wrong.
Starting a debate over the idea.
Saber Prime wrote:2. OK I'll give you that one
Wow thats a big step for you.
Saber Prime wrote: but still what can we possibly add that hasn't allready been said?
How are we to know untill someone tries???
I can think of a few things to add but since your commandeering the thread with this stupid argument no one is being given the chance to add anything.
And its possible that no one has anything to add at all and the idea would have just died....but your dragging this on.
Saber Prime wrote:I never even entered that conversation
As I said you did enter it by saying my idea cant be.
Saber Prime wrote: you keep continueing to argue visual facts with speculation on what could or couldn't be his personality. It makes no sence.
The so called "visual facts" also fit the possibility that Green Arrow is the template for Rodimus.
Saber Prime wrote:I'm not denying facts. I'm stateing them. Here's my second post again.
Yes I was going by Apperance and weaponry not on personality.
And as I said non of the other TFA characters you linked share "Appearance" traits and Rodimus shares the same weapon with Green arrow that he does with Hawkeye.
Saber Prime wrote:Back on subject, Rodimus Prime can't be Green Arrow because that would require him to have at least some GREEN in his color scheme.
Which is where you enter the conversation with my by saying my idea could not be.
And your reasoning still doesnt make sence since non of the other characters share color scheme traits with the heros you linked them too.
Saber Prime wrote:The parts in bold are clearly talking about APPEARANCE not Personality. I never replied your personality subject as you claim I did.
I said you entered the converstaion by saying my idea was wrong.
Weather you indended to enter the conversation about personality or not is irrelivent.
By saying....
Saber Prime wrote: Rodimus Prime can't be Green Arrow
........You brought my idea into a debate.You invited yourself into the conversation at that point by challenging my idea and saying "it cant" be right.
Saber Prime wrote: I never even quoted you.
You didnt have to since I was clearly the one who brought him up.
Saber Prime wrote: I refrenced the Green Arrow, I clearly stated I was refering to appearance not personality and your reply was this.
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Which seem like an odd thing for you to say since neither of your other comparisons, Sentinel Prime = Captain America and Ultra Magnus = Thor , really share any color scheme apps with each other.
Aside from haveing the color blue.
I then exsplained
Why is it odd? Color isn't all that important unless it's actully part of your name in which case you should be wearing that color.
Your next reply was
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Because as I said non of the other characters that you linked to comic book superheroes have a color scheme match.
And so far every one you linked I have a hard time agreeing with.
Sentinel Prime = Captain America....Why because he has a shield?????
Captain America isint the only Superhero with a shield.
Ultra Magnus = Thor...Why because he has a Hammer that shoots electricity?????
Thor isint the only superhero with a Hammer and Thors hammer doesnt shoot electricity.
I believe you mentioned others in the past that I dont agree with but I cant remember right now.
About the only one I can almost see is Colossus and Ironhide.And still Colossus isint the only Hero that can turn to steel.
[b]And.....were talking about the possibility that TFA Rodimus character may be based on either Green Arrow or Hawkeye not on wether a Superhere with a color in his name should wear that color.
And there in bold is where you brought that conversation back. By this time you KNEW I was refering Appearance, you had mentioned appearance several times in reply to me yet you just said that wasn't what we were talking about even though clearly you knew it was.
I knew its what you were talking about it it wasnt what I was talking about.
And till this point you havent given a logical reason why Rodimus shoul have "Green" in his color scheme.
Even if they are baseing his character on Green Arrow I see no logical reason why that would translate into him needing "Green" in his color scheme.
Its not like their going to call him "The Green Rodimus".
They can base his character on whom ever they want with out changing his color or appearance.
And by the very criteria that you set forth,
Saber Prime wrote:Rodimus Prime = Halkeye, Both use a bow and arrow
Rodimus has as much in common with Green Arrow that he does with Hawkeye.
Saber Prime wrote:Seriously the first time you brought up personality was fine, but this, this is just plain redudant
About as redundant as your color scheme argument.
Saber Prime wrote:let it die so we can move forward. Getting tired of going in reverse.
If you want to let it die....dont reply.
Saber Prime wrote:Sure when you cut up the quote so it changes what I really said. I put that full post up abouve some where with the important parts in bold.
Cut up or not by saying it "cant be" you said I was wrong.
Even with the rest of the post....
Saber Prime wrote:Back on subject, Rodimus Prime can't be Green Arrow because that would require him to have at least some GREEN in his color scheme. Allthough I wouldn't be at all suprised if Hasbro made a green repaint of his mold.
It still reads as you telling me that my idea was dead wrong.
Saber Prime wrote:I never have replyed saying anything about Personality, I have not been argueing anything about Personality, you have shown no evidence that I have other than by butchering my words around. You're the one who won't let it die, you're the one and I proved that abouve somewhere who keeps reintorduceing it.
As I said you entered the conversation by saying my idea was wrong.
You didnt have to go into further detail about personalitie or anything else.
Just by saying my idea was wrong you started this debate.
And by continuing it your wasting all of our time.
Saber Prime wrote:If you really want me to not reply it's going to become verry close to I'm not going to reply AT ALL to anything. Not to the subject which I never replyed to in the first place, but to you.
Boy what a threat.....you got me shaking in my boots.If you dont want to reply to me at all it wont be any skin off my back.
I dont hold grudges nor do I take things personally.
Which you do and have proven time and time again.
Saber Prime wrote:I can see it, but only because you butchered my post and took them out of their full context which gives them a COMPLETLY different meaning than I had intended.
My cutting a section out wasnt butchering it.
And the fact is you have a habit of useing words in your post that dont come out as intended.
So weather you intended to start a debate or not its how it was read.
So I'll go as far as to say if I miss read your intent I apologize but........Maybe you should chose your words more carefully.Its not my falt that I couldnt read your intentions........I'm not inside your mind am I?????
I can only read your words and your words read as "your dead wrong".Saber Prime wrote:The weapons they carrey are as much a part of their appearance as their costumes so how can you say they don't share any appearance traits?
I wouldnt agree that their weapons are part of their appearance...but thats a different debate I dont want to start.
So for argument sakes I'll bend to your way of thinking and say that the weapond do count as an appearance trait.....Rodimus then shares as much in common with Green Arrow as Sentinel Prime shares with Captain America or Ultra Magnus shares with Thor.
Saber Prime wrote:Steel doesn't turn into Steel
Your thinking of the Wrong "Steel"....the one from Superman isint the first to use the name.
This is the one I was refering too altho his name has been changed to
Citizen Steel these days.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Nathaniel_Heyw ... w_Earth%29But the "Steel" from Superman did
in fact turn to living steel for over a year and its been hinted that the power might come back.
Look up the paragraph titled
"52".
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/John_Henry_Iro ... w_Earth%29Steel Bio wrote:With the help of Kala Avasti from S.T.A.R. Labs, John learns that he was injected with a small dosage of Lex Luthor's new exo-gene therapy, causing his skin to mutate into stainless steel and back again. He returns to Steelworks to find Natasha attempting, and failing, to build a new suit. She then claims he is a hypocrite for accepting Lex's exo-gene treatment, not aware of the truth.
Three days and two nights later, Irons appears, transformed into a man of living steel, (similar to the Marvel Comics character Colossus), at a party held by Lex Luthor.
You should do research before you post.Its not like you read comic after all.
Saber Prime wrote:and technically neiter does Ironhide.
Ironhide is techically allready metal, he is a robot after all, but he does appear to get a harder than normal armor plateing.
A poor chois of words on my part.
Saber Prime wrote:Steel wears a suit of armor, it's not a power, it's technoligy.
See above.