crashhcourse wrote:Who knows, maybe Dreadwing will have ANOTHER brother. Dust off that model one more time, add a fancy color scheme, take two random words and glue them together, voila! Dreadquake! (or is it Skywing?)
(that would actually make my day - can you see the look on Starscreams face were another one to pop up!?)
TurboMMaster wrote:Yet now it seems like they need any help they can get. They could at least discuss about this...
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
PrymeStriker wrote:QBKiller94 wrote:Megatron siding with Starscream over Dreadwing makes little sense in the TP universe. Dreadwing is a loyal warrior. Starscream is a known schemer. Head scratching move by Megs.
Uhm, Dreadwing disobeyed Megatron's orders to stand down. And by him giving the Autobots the Forge, Dreadwing is no longer loyal to the Decepticons anyways. After he took care of Starscream he probably would have gone off-ship.
QBKiller94 wrote:PrymeStriker wrote:QBKiller94 wrote:Megatron siding with Starscream over Dreadwing makes little sense in the TP universe. Dreadwing is a loyal warrior. Starscream is a known schemer. Head scratching move by Megs.
Uhm, Dreadwing disobeyed Megatron's orders to stand down. And by him giving the Autobots the Forge, Dreadwing is no longer loyal to the Decepticons anyways. After he took care of Starscream he probably would have gone off-ship.
We're given no indication that any of the Decepticons noticed the Forge Hammer missing. All I'm saying is Starscream is busted red handed trying to pull Megatron's plug and that gets a pass. Dreadwing doesn't stand down in a fight with Starscream, the black sheep of the 'Cons, and he gets the death penalty. Not logical. Either Megatron knows something that we don't, or he's not very bright.
QBKiller94 wrote:I was wondering the same thing about Wheeljack not being involved in the Seibertron fight, but then again, he's more of a lone wolf anyway. He's not really part of the core team.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
YRQRM0 wrote:I would bet that Wheeljack is fine by now, from a combination of natural healing and fixing himself. I agree that they should've at least mentioned him when leaving for Cybertron.
The thing about the Vehicons is true, but in the battle, they're beating them up with relics, not hand-to-hand combat like in previous episodes. They should've included some Insecticons though.
Actually, it would be kinda interesting. There suposed to be a reason why Starscream live longer than other traitors, despite the fact that he is the one who is responsible for Megatron's coma.PrymeStriker wrote:1) Why you think that after "Hurt" he dos'ent have enough time to recover. 2) Yet still, he seems to be a serious thread for both Soundwave and Hardsheel, so he is a good fighter. He almost for sure would be usefull, especially since in Autobot situation ANY help is useful.QBKiller94 wrote:Again, Wheeljack got beat up by Soundwave and Hardshell. He's in desperate need of repairs. He's in no condition to fight.QBKiller94 wrote:Either Megatron knows something that we don't, or he's not very bright.
TurboMMaster wrote:1) Why you think that after "Hurt" he dos'ent have enough time to recover. 2) Yet still, he seems to be a serious thread for both Soundwave and Hardsheel, so he is a good fighter. He almost for sure would be usefull, especially since in Autobot situation ANY help is useful.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
But still, he was able to knock flat Soundwave, actually, I think this is kinda impresive.PrymeStriker wrote:2) Serious threat? He failed to injure Soundwave or Hardshell at all. All Wheeljack did was crack Soundwave's visor and that was it.
We dose'nt now how many time passed since "Hurt". Also Wheeljack, unlike Starscream thanks to his Ship have better equipment to fixing himself. And fighting with Insections is'nt easy for guys smaller than Bulkhead or Optimus.took Miko to kill Hardshell, and even Ratchet said that he's in bad condition. Also, I didn't say he wasn't a good fighter, but he's probably got serious internal injuries making him incapable of fighting at this time.
TurboMMaster wrote:We dose'nt now how many time passed since "Hurt".
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
TurboMMaster wrote:Actually, it would be kinda interesting. There suposed to be a reason why Starscream live longer than other traitors, despite the fact that he is the one who is responsible for Megatron's coma.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
ginthermax wrote:id like to know how the transformers beasts will play into transformers prime
..and am i the only one who thinks having unicron at the centre of earth is a bad idea?
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Ah ha ha ha ha. I love it. I love you guys.
Dreadwing dead only sucks in the "but his toy hasn't even arrived yet!" sense. The character reached a natural crisis point, and "resolved" it in a way that fit his character.
1. He learned that Starscream desecrated his brother. If we know ONE thing about Dreadwing, it's that he would not let this stand.
2. Dreadwing has a track record of failure. He currently has no reason to think Megatron would "see reason" and back him over Starscream. He's not an idiot, he knows that Megatron wouldn't accept Starscream back at all if he wasn't serious about keeping him around.
3. Now we have the conflict point. Dreadwing cannot join the Autobots, who killed his brother. But he cannot stay with the Decepticons, who are complicit in the desecration of his brother. He also knows the tactical situation. Megatron's going to go win and the Autobots can't stop him. Dreadwing no longer wants Megatron to win, as then he'll be REALLY out of options. Hating both sides, he elects to level the playing field. The only plausible alternative anyone has put forward is for him to join the Autobots, which would be wildly out of character, or leave and go back to blowing up Wreckers, which... probably wouldn't satisfy him. Important: He delivers the Forge before he talks to Megatron, or attacks Starscream. He knows what is going to happen.
4. Back on the Nemesis, Megatron confronts him and Dreadwing just outright lies and misdirects him. He doesn't ask for Starscream's spark, try to pin the theft (which Megs hasn't noticed) on him, he just tries to buy himself a few minutes.
5. Dreadwing attacks Starscream. Note that Mr. Explosive Surprise does it up close, no guile. Just walk in, crush, accept whatever fate awaits him.
6. Megatron walks in and challenges Dreadwing one last time. Dreadwing has stood up to Megatron before, but for the first time he completely rejects him. Megatron therefore has no further use for him. Dreadwing turns his back and tries to kill Starscream before he goes down himself. He just fails, because uh, he turns his back on Megatron right there.
7. Except for not finishing off Starscream, Dreadwing got everything he wanted didn't he? He betrayed his unworthy faction in a most substantial way, died in the execution of a final vengeance, and, importantly for a pseudo-samurai character, died at the hands of his lord when he could no longer serve him.
I'm sick of pseudo-critics (some of whom I'm wondering if even watched the episode) suggesting that Dreadwing or Megs or even Knock Out should have behaved in some arbitrary manner to keep Dreadwing alive and therefore make the episode "better." Megs didn't cut the rather more competent Airachnid any slack. It would be insane to tolerate Dreadwing's open defiance and berserker attack.
As far as the "anti-climatic" deaths, I submit that this is evidence of writing competence, hardly the reverse. Prime is making a VERY deliberate point in its treatment of death thus far. I fully expect them to turn it around and give a deserving character a "Dinobot"-like sendoff when the time is right, because that's going to hit HARD. But until then, we know that Prime characters die suddenly, "stupidly," and not necessarily at the end of the episode or the final battle. You may not like it, but it's complete nonsense to suggest that if only the writers were "better" everyone would go out in a stereotypical blaze of glory.
Meanwhile, Dreadwing, having personally rendered the Autobots from useless also-rans stuck in the dirt to an interstellar faction seconds from reviving Cybertron, is sharing an energon brew with Dinobot somewhere snickering at the very idea that anyone think his efforts "useless" or "wasted."
Oh yeah, and the rest of the episode was AWESOME. Totally agree with the people noting that it was one of the greatest battle royales we've ever seen in the franchise. Smokescreen is probably a little overpowered now though.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
There's still a Devastator in this continuity. He's just only appeared in a novel instead of the show.ginthermax wrote:id have also like to have seen devastator in Prime but since they killed him in TF2 - like iron hide in tf3 it would confuse us know?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:To all naysayers about Dreadwing's death being poorly done or out-of-character for all those involved, this post from TFW2005 pretty says it all:Ah ha ha ha ha. I love it. I love you guys.
Dreadwing dead only sucks in the "but his toy hasn't even arrived yet!" sense. The character reached a natural crisis point, and "resolved" it in a way that fit his character.
1. He learned that Starscream desecrated his brother. If we know ONE thing about Dreadwing, it's that he would not let this stand.
2. Dreadwing has a track record of failure. He currently has no reason to think Megatron would "see reason" and back him over Starscream. He's not an idiot, he knows that Megatron wouldn't accept Starscream back at all if he wasn't serious about keeping him around.
3. Now we have the conflict point. Dreadwing cannot join the Autobots, who killed his brother. But he cannot stay with the Decepticons, who are complicit in the desecration of his brother. He also knows the tactical situation. Megatron's going to go win and the Autobots can't stop him. Dreadwing no longer wants Megatron to win, as then he'll be REALLY out of options. Hating both sides, he elects to level the playing field. The only plausible alternative anyone has put forward is for him to join the Autobots, which would be wildly out of character, or leave and go back to blowing up Wreckers, which... probably wouldn't satisfy him. Important: He delivers the Forge before he talks to Megatron, or attacks Starscream. He knows what is going to happen.
4. Back on the Nemesis, Megatron confronts him and Dreadwing just outright lies and misdirects him. He doesn't ask for Starscream's spark, try to pin the theft (which Megs hasn't noticed) on him, he just tries to buy himself a few minutes.
5. Dreadwing attacks Starscream. Note that Mr. Explosive Surprise does it up close, no guile. Just walk in, crush, accept whatever fate awaits him.
6. Megatron walks in and challenges Dreadwing one last time. Dreadwing has stood up to Megatron before, but for the first time he completely rejects him. Megatron therefore has no further use for him. Dreadwing turns his back and tries to kill Starscream before he goes down himself. He just fails, because uh, he turns his back on Megatron right there.
7. Except for not finishing off Starscream, Dreadwing got everything he wanted didn't he? He betrayed his unworthy faction in a most substantial way, died in the execution of a final vengeance, and, importantly for a pseudo-samurai character, died at the hands of his lord when he could no longer serve him.
I'm sick of pseudo-critics (some of whom I'm wondering if even watched the episode) suggesting that Dreadwing or Megs or even Knock Out should have behaved in some arbitrary manner to keep Dreadwing alive and therefore make the episode "better." Megs didn't cut the rather more competent Airachnid any slack. It would be insane to tolerate Dreadwing's open defiance and berserker attack.
As far as the "anti-climatic" deaths, I submit that this is evidence of writing competence, hardly the reverse. Prime is making a VERY deliberate point in its treatment of death thus far. I fully expect them to turn it around and give a deserving character a "Dinobot"-like sendoff when the time is right, because that's going to hit HARD. But until then, we know that Prime characters die suddenly, "stupidly," and not necessarily at the end of the episode or the final battle. You may not like it, but it's complete nonsense to suggest that if only the writers were "better" everyone would go out in a stereotypical blaze of glory.
Meanwhile, Dreadwing, having personally rendered the Autobots from useless also-rans stuck in the dirt to an interstellar faction seconds from reviving Cybertron, is sharing an energon brew with Dinobot somewhere snickering at the very idea that anyone think his efforts "useless" or "wasted."
Oh yeah, and the rest of the episode was AWESOME. Totally agree with the people noting that it was one of the greatest battle royales we've ever seen in the franchise. Smokescreen is probably a little overpowered now though.
That was pretty much common sense, man.Rodimus2006 wrote:I knew the Omega Lock was required and I knew it would be on Cybertron not on Earth.
I also said it would be required for all 4 keys to active the Omega Lock once again I got that right.
While the Sea of Rust was indeed in the game, the place originated from the 2004 "Ultimate guide" book and the 3H Universe comics.Rodimus2006 wrote:What I didnt know was the Omega Keys had to be interlocked all 4 Keys thus making a Navigation to the Omega Keys location which is The Sea Of Rust seen in FOC.
It's been a safe bet ever since Hasbro said so a long time ago.Rodimus2006 wrote:So it is pretty much a safe bet to say now that WFC, FOC are connected to Prime teh 3rd game would either be directly before it or connect to the opening of Prime.
Unless the AllSpark is still somewhere off-planet in space, and the portal might bring the AllSpark (or its energy) back to Cybertron.Rodimus2006 wrote:So let me get this straight the Omega Key is a Conduit a Portal of sorts that takes you to the very heart of the Allspark wouldnt be better to say the Core of Cybertron instead.
Oh, it's still very much like the movie Allspark in that it was launched into space from cybertron eons ago by Optimus himself.Rodimus2006 wrote:But everything in Prime is way way diffrent so it is no Suprise to see the change of the Allspark from Bayformers AllSpark or Animated Allspark.
We don't yet know how it will rejuvenate Cybertron, but chances are it's gonna be Megatron who revives Cybertron and in his own image.Rodimus2006 wrote:Such as the Omega Key is way way diffrent than that of Cybertrons Omega Key which required the Cyber Planet Keys but they are somewhat similar in terms of use. But in Cybertron it activated Primus which is Cybertron while in Prime it will Rejuvenate the Planet sort of like the Golden Age of Cybertron.
Megatron will likely win at the end of season 2, thus leading into the Beast Hunters theme of season 3 with Shockwave bringing in the Predacons to hunt down the autobots on a Decepticon-controlled Cybertron.Rodimus2006 wrote:The would still need the Forge of Solus Prime and Survivors on other colonies to re-inhabit and bring life back to the dead planet. It would take a long long time to bring Cybertron back to its former Glory even if it is Rejuvenated.
The kids will survive since Josh Keaton and Tania Gunadi have talked about their roles as Jack and Miko in season 3.Rodimus2006 wrote:Prime is awesome, and I cant wait to see what Prime and Team Prime will do in the kids case. Will they sacrifice the kids to save thier homeworld. Will OP break his code of ethics of never harming humans to Save Cybertron.
Mere rumors. There is no confirmed airdate for season 3. but the Beast Hunters toys will be coming in Spring 2013.Rodimus2006 wrote:This suspense is killing me. But what I dont get is I hear about Beast Hunters airdate some say Spring 2013 while others say Winter 2013.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:TurboMMaster wrote:Actually, it would be kinda interesting. There suposed to be a reason why Starscream live longer than other traitors, despite the fact that he is the one who is responsible for Megatron's coma.
Um...Megatron's coma was from the Space Bridge exploding, which was caused by the Autobots, and Megatron not running when he should have. Starscream had nothing to do with it.
Sabrblade wrote:To all naysayers about Dreadwing's death being poorly done or out-of-character for all those involved, this post from TFW2005 pretty says it all:Ah ha ha ha ha. I love it. I love you guys.
Dreadwing dead only sucks in the "but his toy hasn't even arrived yet!" sense. The character reached a natural crisis point, and "resolved" it in a way that fit his character.
1. He learned that Starscream desecrated his brother. If we know ONE thing about Dreadwing, it's that he would not let this stand.
2. Dreadwing has a track record of failure. He currently has no reason to think Megatron would "see reason" and back him over Starscream. He's not an idiot, he knows that Megatron wouldn't accept Starscream back at all if he wasn't serious about keeping him around.
3. Now we have the conflict point. Dreadwing cannot join the Autobots, who killed his brother. But he cannot stay with the Decepticons, who are complicit in the desecration of his brother. He also knows the tactical situation. Megatron's going to go win and the Autobots can't stop him. Dreadwing no longer wants Megatron to win, as then he'll be REALLY out of options. Hating both sides, he elects to level the playing field. The only plausible alternative anyone has put forward is for him to join the Autobots, which would be wildly out of character, or leave and go back to blowing up Wreckers, which... probably wouldn't satisfy him. Important: He delivers the Forge before he talks to Megatron, or attacks Starscream. He knows what is going to happen.
4. Back on the Nemesis, Megatron confronts him and Dreadwing just outright lies and misdirects him. He doesn't ask for Starscream's spark, try to pin the theft (which Megs hasn't noticed) on him, he just tries to buy himself a few minutes.
5. Dreadwing attacks Starscream. Note that Mr. Explosive Surprise does it up close, no guile. Just walk in, crush, accept whatever fate awaits him.
6. Megatron walks in and challenges Dreadwing one last time. Dreadwing has stood up to Megatron before, but for the first time he completely rejects him. Megatron therefore has no further use for him. Dreadwing turns his back and tries to kill Starscream before he goes down himself. He just fails, because uh, he turns his back on Megatron right there.
7. Except for not finishing off Starscream, Dreadwing got everything he wanted didn't he? He betrayed his unworthy faction in a most substantial way, died in the execution of a final vengeance, and, importantly for a pseudo-samurai character, died at the hands of his lord when he could no longer serve him.
I'm sick of pseudo-critics (some of whom I'm wondering if even watched the episode) suggesting that Dreadwing or Megs or even Knock Out should have behaved in some arbitrary manner to keep Dreadwing alive and therefore make the episode "better." Megs didn't cut the rather more competent Airachnid any slack. It would be insane to tolerate Dreadwing's open defiance and berserker attack.
As far as the "anti-climatic" deaths, I submit that this is evidence of writing competence, hardly the reverse. Prime is making a VERY deliberate point in its treatment of death thus far. I fully expect them to turn it around and give a deserving character a "Dinobot"-like sendoff when the time is right, because that's going to hit HARD. But until then, we know that Prime characters die suddenly, "stupidly," and not necessarily at the end of the episode or the final battle. You may not like it, but it's complete nonsense to suggest that if only the writers were "better" everyone would go out in a stereotypical blaze of glory.
Meanwhile, Dreadwing, having personally rendered the Autobots from useless also-rans stuck in the dirt to an interstellar faction seconds from reviving Cybertron, is sharing an energon brew with Dinobot somewhere snickering at the very idea that anyone think his efforts "useless" or "wasted."
Oh yeah, and the rest of the episode was AWESOME. Totally agree with the people noting that it was one of the greatest battle royales we've ever seen in the franchise. Smokescreen is probably a little overpowered now though.
Shadowman wrote:TurboMMaster wrote:Actually, it would be kinda interesting. There suposed to be a reason why Starscream live longer than other traitors, despite the fact that he is the one who is responsible for Megatron's coma.
Um...Megatron's coma was from the Space Bridge exploding, which was caused by the Autobots, and Megatron not running when he should have. Starscream had nothing to do with it.
Hypershock wrote:
I was waiting for somebody to quote this
TurboMMaster wrote:I just wish at least one of the Best Hunters die from the hand of a Decepticon, and not Megatron or Starscream, since so far Soundwave and KO dose'nt kill anything during the series.
Also i wish the Rumors about Tank Drones were true, there is never enough tanks in any Transformers series.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
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