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[Sabrblade]

can't wait to read Exodus and exiles....amazon free shipping so slow for my unrealistic expectations.

And War for Cybertron? Have you experienced that game too?

[njb902]

can't wait to read Exodus and exiles....amazon free shipping so slow for my unrealistic expectations.

And War for Cybertron? Have you experienced that game too?

yes enjoyed it a great deal....I'm familiar with all of the tv shows, games, and movies. I'm unfamiliar with the print sources(comics and books). just never got into them as a child, was only allowed 2 comic subscriptions a year(stupid school ruining me for life) as a child so I went with superman and batman. might have to look into them however.

[Sabrblade]

can't wait to read Exodus and exiles....amazon free shipping so slow for my unrealistic expectations.

And War for Cybertron? Have you experienced that game too?

yes enjoyed it a great deal....I'm familiar with all of the tv shows, games, and movies. I'm unfamiliar with the print sources(comics and books). just never got into them as a child, was only allowed 2 comic subscriptions a year(stupid school ruining me for life) as a child so I went with superman and batman. might have to look into them however.

*All* the TV shows.

Cuz there's at least two that I haven't seen all of.

As for the comics, same here. However, I am currently trying to rectify that by going back and reading as many TF comics as I possibly can. I've already completed all the Marvel Comics, the Blackthorne comics, and most of the Japanese G1 manga. Once I finish the G1 manga, I'm gonna move on to the 3H comics, the Dreamwave comics, the Fun Pub comics, the IDW comics, and whatever else I can find to read.

[njb902]

can't wait to read Exodus and exiles....amazon free shipping so slow for my unrealistic expectations.

And War for Cybertron? Have you experienced that game too?

yes enjoyed it a great deal....I'm familiar with all of the tv shows, games, and movies. I'm unfamiliar with the print sources(comics and books). just never got into them as a child, was only allowed 2 comic subscriptions a year(stupid school ruining me for life) as a child so I went with superman and batman. might have to look into them however.

*All* the TV shows.

Cuz there's at least two that I haven't seen all of.

As for the comics, same here. However, I am currently trying to rectify that by going back and reading as many TF comics as I possibly can. I've already completed all the Marvel Comics, the Blackthorne comics, and most of the Japanese G1 manga. Once I finish the G1 manga, I'm gonna move on to the 3H comics, the Dreamwave comics, the Fun Pub comics, the IDW comics, and whatever else I can find to read.

hmmmm didn't think about the latter g1 Japanese series. I have not seen all of those.

[BeastProwl]

I wish I had enough knowhow to know what comics start were, end were, were to buy, etc. huh.

[Sabrblade]

hmmmm didn't think about the latter g1 Japanese series. I have not seen all of those.

I have, but the ones I was referring to having not seen all of myself were Beast Wars II, Beast Wars Neo, and the original Japanese versions of RiD and the Unicron Trilogy.

[njb902]

hmmmm didn't think about the latter g1 Japanese series. I have not seen all of those.

I have, but the ones I was referring to having not seen all of myself were Beast Wars II, Beast Wars Neo, and the original Japanese versions of RiD and the Unicron Trilogy.

ah I have seen beast wars 2 but non of the other. army buddy of mine had bw2 on tape.


I've seen the us version of Uni trilogy.....know its a bit diff though.

[Sabrblade]

hmmmm didn't think about the latter g1 Japanese series. I have not seen all of those.

I have, but the ones I was referring to having not seen all of myself were Beast Wars II, Beast Wars Neo, and the original Japanese versions of RiD and the Unicron Trilogy.

ah I have seen beast wars 2 but non of the other. army buddy of mine had bw2 on tape.


I've seen the us version of Uni trilogy.....know its a bit diff though.

I refuse to watch raws before subtitled versions. I want to understand the dialogue on the first viewing, which is why I haven't watched them all yet.

While I have seen about four episodes of Beast Wars II and about six of Super Link subbed, the overall quality of the BWII episodes (audio, video, sub translation script, etc.) was pitiful, and the fansubbing group doing both it and Neo, Ctenosaur, never completed either series. As for Super Link, while TV-Nihon did finish it, I stopped because I'd prefer to see all of Car Robots (which TV-nihon has done about 8 episdoes so far) and Micron Densetsu (which no one has subbed yet) first.

[njb902]

hmmmm didn't think about the latter g1 Japanese series. I have not seen all of those.

I have, but the ones I was referring to having not seen all of myself were Beast Wars II, Beast Wars Neo, and the original Japanese versions of RiD and the Unicron Trilogy.

ah I have seen beast wars 2 but non of the other. army buddy of mine had bw2 on tape.


I've seen the us version of Uni trilogy.....know its a bit diff though.

I refuse to watch raws before subtitled versions. I want to understand the dialogue on the first viewing, which is why I haven't watched them all yet.

While I have seen about four episodes of Beast Wars II and about six of Super Link subbed, the overall quality of the BWII episodes (audio, video, sub translation script, etc.) was pitiful, and the fansubbing group doing both it and Neo, Ctenosaur, never completed either series. As for Super Link, while TV-Nihon did finish it, I stopped because I'd prefer to see all of Car Robots (which TV-nihon has done about 8 episdoes so far) and Micron Densetsu (which no one has subbed yet) first.

yeah I wish I spoke Japanese was kinda hard to understand sometime with just him translating.


would also like to say that when I mentioned I was familiar with them I just ment I had seen them and had a working understanding of them....not claiming any encyclopedic knowledge. I bow to those more intimate with them.

[Sabrblade]

Okay, having read Dreadwing's Cyberverse bio, looks like Rodimus2006 was right about him being a Seeker. BUUUUT, that still does not negate the fact that he had no real evidence to back his claims at the time, so it was juts a lucky guess.

Also, he described as being both "fiercely loyal" to Megatron and Decepticon Second in Command. Looks like someone's getting Starscream's old job, and he can even be BFFs with Soundwave.

[Zequem]

That 'Second in Command' -part puzzles me, and I wonder if it has an effect in Crossfire. In an episode synopsis I found, it said that Airachnid and Starscream fight to control an Insecticon; the Decepticons lose more soldiers, and especially the last part is interesting. How do they lose more soldiers? Does someone die, does Airachnid leave because of Dreadwing stealing her Second in Command status or is it just there to troll us and it's just Vehicons dying like usual? I'm actually pretty scared for what's to come.

Oh well, maybe I should first watch tonight's episode before jumping into assumptions.

[Sabrblade]

That 'Second in Command' -part puzzles me, and I wonder if it has an effect in Crossfire.

Well, Airachnid hasn't officially been promoted to take Starscream's job. it's obvious she wants it, trying to get in Megatron's good favor and all, but as of late, she hasn't been seen as being all that worthy for the job by Megs, what with leaving Starscream behind and trying to overthrow him when he was away.

In an episode synopsis I found, it said that Airachnid and Starscream fight to control an Insecticon; the Decepticons lose more soldiers, and especially the last part is interesting.

I'm guessing airachnid doesn't like the idea of Dreadwing coming in and taking the sub commander position, and so tries to get control over the Insecticon to prove her worth over Dreadwing. And a for Starscream, he probably wants the Insecticon so he can have an ally/minion of his own to support him. And so the two just want the same thing at the same time.

How do they lose more soldiers? Does someone die, does Airachnid leave because of Dreadwing stealing her Second in Command status or is it just there to troll us and it's just Vehicons dying like usual? I'm actually pretty scared for what's to come.

I'm guessing (and hoping) that's just a large sum of Vehicons getting axed. And maybe it's because the Cons lose a lot of them that Airachnid chooses to get the Insecticon to not only bolster their ranks but also make her look good by having her be the one to bring it in.

[BeastProwl]

How fitting would it be if the insecticon was hers to start with? Then when she awakens it, it goes out of control? IDK, its possible with all that crap she had in her ship. But I doubt it. They probably found the thing in a cave on earth, or buried like everything else. I like Shadowman's theory as to why all this Cybertronian stuff keeps falling to earth.

[Foxbear]

I'm thinking it's more likely the bug bot will come through the space bridge from Cybertron, either deliberately on the part of the Cons or by accident.
As for why all that stuff ended up on Earth, it seems to me that other than the original Bot of Con to make planetfall there really wasn't that much of a coincidence. They needed a place to stash energon and the really dangerous weapons and the artifacts. Earth fit the bill with a) enough landmass to be useful. b)an atmosphere similar enough to Cybertrons that the metals wouldn't immediately corrode away. c)it was far enough away from Cybertron that the Con's wouldn't find it right away.

[Shadowman]

I'm thinking it's more likely the bug bot will come through the space bridge from Cybertron, either deliberately on the part of the Cons or by accident.
As for why all that stuff ended up on Earth, it seems to me that other than the original Bot of Con to make planetfall there really wasn't that much of a coincidence. They needed a place to stash energon and the really dangerous weapons and the artifacts. Earth fit the bill with a) enough landmass to be useful. b)an atmosphere similar enough to Cybertrons that the metals wouldn't immediately corrode away. c)it was far enough away from Cybertron that the Con's wouldn't find it right away.

I already went over that one. Basically, planets with high amounts of naturally-occurring Energon (Like Earth) were chosen to act as "Safety Deposit Planets" in case of emergencies, to store critical artifacts and weapons. It's why the Iacon Archives had a great big map detailing where a good number of artifacts were. (Like Solus Prime's hammer, an artifact of the Original 13)

Also the atmosphere couldn't have been taken into account, it's already been shown that Cybertron and Earth do not have similar atmospheres.

[Foxbear]

I'm thinking it's more likely the bug bot will come through the space bridge from Cybertron, either deliberately on the part of the Cons or by accident.
As for why all that stuff ended up on Earth, it seems to me that other than the original Bot of Con to make planetfall there really wasn't that much of a coincidence. They needed a place to stash energon and the really dangerous weapons and the artifacts. Earth fit the bill with a) enough landmass to be useful. b)an atmosphere similar enough to Cybertrons that the metals wouldn't immediately corrode away. c)it was far enough away from Cybertron that the Con's wouldn't find it right away.

I already went over that one. Basically, planets with high amounts of naturally-occurring Energon (Like Earth) were chosen to act as "Safety Deposit Planets" in case of emergencies, to store critical artifacts and weapons. It's why the Iacon Archives had a great big map detailing where a good number of artifacts were. (Like Solus Prime's hammer, an artifact of the Original 13)

Also the atmosphere couldn't have been taken into account, it's already been shown that Cybertron and Earth do not have similar atmospheres.

Yup, I was just reiterating/expanding on this/\ because several commentators seemed to be getting curious about all the 'coincidences' in the story. Sorry I didn't quote you directly . I wanted to just quote where you went over this before (I am veeryyy lazy when it comes to typing believe me)but couldn't find it.
But by similar I meant your basic mix of transparent non-metal eating gasses. ie Earth and Cybertron have "similar" atmosphere compared to say Jupiter or Venus. Don't want to drop anything important on a rock if giant storms or corrosives make it impossible to retrieve.

[Shadowman]

But by similar I meant your basic mix of transparent non-metal eating gasses. ie Earth and Cybertron have "similar" atmosphere compared to say Jupiter or Venus. Don't want to drop anything important on a rock if giant storms or corrosives make it impossible to retrieve.

Except that doesn't make for a similar atmosphere. Mars doesn't have a corrosive atmosphere, but it's very dissimilar to Earth's. Likewise, Earth's atmosphere is rich in oxygen and water, which causes rust.

Now, let's talk about that episode:

-Dreadwing is immediately mistaken for Skyquake, which makes a lot of sense. For some reason, every time I see him, I can't help but think of Beast Wars.

-Dreadwing has a shared Spark with Skyquake, a lot like Dinobot and Rampage. Oh, maybe that's why...

-Wheeljack doesn't like Optimus, and doesn't recognize him as leader. Which is weird, because as a Prime, that makes Optimus the boss of everyone who isn't a Decepticon.

-Optimus riding shotgun on the Jackhammer: Freaking hilarious.

-Megatron: "In memory of your fallen twin, I will allow it. Just this once." *Turns to Soundwave* "I would be surprised if we ever laid eyes on Dreadwing again." Megatron continues to show off his very dark, dry humor.

-Megatron grins slightly when Dreadwing professes his allegiance to Megatron. I suppose he enjoys hearing that, considering the rest of the company he keeps, I can't image he hears it much. It is kind of funny, though, when you consider Megatron's relationship with Tony Todd's other character...

-Well, the 'cons have a new member, and the 'bots may or may not be keeping Wheeljack; they finally convinced him to stay on Earth, but I don't know if they managed to convince him to stay at the base.

[Sabrblade]

Episode 32 -

First in show mention of the term "Terrorcon" to refer to a Dark Energon zombie! And first acknowledgement of Skyquake being one (but do they know about him being in the Shadowzone? Maybe, if the kids told them, but nothing's been said).

Aw, Wheeljack's got an arm cannon that his toy doesn't have. That's no fun.

Dude! Fowler still pilots a jet without a flight suit. Dude is still hardcore!

So that's probably what Optimus won't approve of. Wheeljack's undisciplined, rebellious nature and disregard of others' safety. The guy really is a loose cannon.

Seaspray was a Wrecker and another old friend of Bulkhead's. And yes, Wheeljack says perfect straight that he was "blown to bits."

The place or planet that Wheeljack was gonna meet Seaspray near was called "Madeira".

Optimus says Dreadwing was both a captain of a Seeker armada and Skyquake's twin. Not sure if he meant figuratively (in that they just share the same body-type) or literally (in that they're actual brothers).

I just noticed something. Doesn't the Dreadwing/Skyquake body-type kind resemble a Prime version of Movie Starscream's body? (With a new head, of course.) I mean, the cockpit chest, the wide torso, the jet altmode type, the wings hanging off the the back in the odd way (i.e. - not pointed up like the G1 Seekers) the broad shoulder width, the bulked up physique... it all reminds me of Movie Starscream (with some modifications made to fit the Prime art style, of course).

Okay, Dreadwing pretty much describes both him and Skquake as being literal twin brothers who share a sensational connection, yet he refers to Skyquake as one whom he only "considered" a brother, rather than just saying that he was his brother.

He also swears by the Pit.

Jackie lists off the names of other deceased Wreckers: Roadbuster, Pyro, Impactor, Rotorstorm, and Seaspray.

Did Bulky and Jackie really both fit inside the Jackhammer together?

LOL. Well, if Optimus squeezed in there, I guess Bulkhead did too.

Hey, G1 fans, look! Wheeljack's being all mechanic and tech-savvy trying to defuse the bomb on Bulkhead. You can all calm down now.

Wheeljack mentions Sandokan (which the closed captions misspell as "Sandakan").

Bulkhead apparently does no know of Wheeljack being the Wreckers' mechanic, as he has no faith in Jackie being able to defuse the bomb.

Huh, even Wheeljack admits that he can't defuse the bomb. I guess this device was simply that complicated to disarm.

...Or maybe it was just one of those "so simple that it just looked unfixable" bombs. Really, this sure does some serious injustice to Wheeljhack's technical know-how. He is a mechanic in this continuity, so maybe he's just lost his edge over the past several eons. Though, he did have it narrowed down to the right one and two others, so many it was just the pressure of the battle weighing him down.

Sleek altmode, Jackie.

And with this episode, Dreadwing makes another compelling Decepticon like Starscream and Airachnid.

Next week... no preview. Bummer.

For some reason, every time I see him, I can't help but think of Beast Wars.

People say he's colored like Depth Charge.

-Wheeljack doesn't like Optimus, and doesn't recognize him as leader. Which is weird, because as a Prime, that makes Optimus the boss of everyone who isn't a Decepticon.

He's a rebel and a former black ops soldier. He doesn't fully respect the rules authority.

-Well, the 'cons have a new member, and the 'bots may or may not be keeping Wheeljack; they finally convinced him to stay on Earth, but I don't know if they managed to convince him to stay at the base.

He'll probably come and go as he pleases, but staying on Earth and using the base as his, well, home base.

[Sabrblade]

And, promo for next week's episode:


Looks like Airachnid's through working for Megs (or at least through working with his cronies). And the Insecticon looks to be loyal to her.

[njb902]

So the bots finally have regular access to a interstellar ship.

I love the dreadwing/skyquake model and I swear if the toy dosnt have those big ass blasters I'm going to scream.

[Zequem]

There's surprisingly little Starscream in that promo, looks like he won't be in the action scenes at all.

YES! Jackie is staying (for now)! It's about time the 'Bots get more dudes!

Wow, there's a lot of deceased Wreckers. But no mention of Ultra Magnus and Springer, so I guess they're still alive and going!

Dreadwing has a different Decepticon insignia. Did Skyquake have it too, or is it just for him?

[Shadowman]

-Wheeljack doesn't like Optimus, and doesn't recognize him as leader. Which is weird, because as a Prime, that makes Optimus the boss of everyone who isn't a Decepticon.

He's a rebel and a former black ops soldier. He doesn't fully respect the rules authority.

Yeah, except black operations soldiers still recognize authority and insubordination isn't something they're just allowed to do. Especially with the sensitive nature of black ops, you are most certainly not allowed to just flip off your Commander in Chief then go off and indulge in a revenge plot.

[njb902]

-Wheeljack doesn't like Optimus, and doesn't recognize him as leader. Which is weird, because as a Prime, that makes Optimus the boss of everyone who isn't a Decepticon.

He's a rebel and a former black ops soldier. He doesn't fully respect the rules authority.

Yeah, except black operations soldiers still recognize authority and insubordination isn't something they're just allowed to do. Especially with the sensitive nature of black ops, you are most certainly not allowed to just flip off your Commander in Chief then go off and indulge in a revenge plot.

that is if he considers optimus his cic.

[Shadowman]

-Wheeljack doesn't like Optimus, and doesn't recognize him as leader. Which is weird, because as a Prime, that makes Optimus the boss of everyone who isn't a Decepticon.

He's a rebel and a former black ops soldier. He doesn't fully respect the rules authority.

Yeah, except black operations soldiers still recognize authority and insubordination isn't something they're just allowed to do. Especially with the sensitive nature of black ops, you are most certainly not allowed to just flip off your Commander in Chief then go off and indulge in a revenge plot.

that is if he considers optimus his cic.

Optimus Prime is his Commander in Chief, being a Prime puts him above everyone except Primus. The chain of command doesn't work based on whether or not you think someone is higher up than you, or, if they are, that the validity of their orders are based entirely on how much you respect them.

I know that he's over it and he actually has a respect for Optimus, I'm just saying, running black ops and having a dislike of your superiors doesn't mean you can just run off and directly contradict them.

[njb902]

-Wheeljack doesn't like Optimus, and doesn't recognize him as leader. Which is weird, because as a Prime, that makes Optimus the boss of everyone who isn't a Decepticon.

He's a rebel and a former black ops soldier. He doesn't fully respect the rules authority.

Yeah, except black operations soldiers still recognize authority and insubordination isn't something they're just allowed to do. Especially with the sensitive nature of black ops, you are most certainly not allowed to just flip off your Commander in Chief then go off and indulge in a revenge plot.

that is if he considers optimus his cic.

Optimus Prime is his Commander in Chief, being a Prime puts him above everyone except Primus. The chain of command doesn't work based on whether or not you think someone is higher up than you, or, if they are, that the validity of their orders are based entirely on how much you respect them.

I know that he's over it and he actually has a respect for Optimus, I'm just saying, running black ops and having a dislike of your superiors doesn't mean you can just run off and directly contradict them.

your assuming that their military works as ours does, seems much more like an informal militia to me. the autobots have a very loose sence of the coc,every other episode one goes off on their own. if their military did work that way then it failed miserably......could be why they lost the war though.