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[King Kuuga]

Probably between 5 and 7. I can get away with that because I said "about half".

[Archanubis]

I'd like him to be dead, or non-operational in some way.

They managed to bring Orion back in the current IDWverse (and Megatron), I'd like him to disappear here.

There are three characters in Transformers that you can rely on never staying dead: Anyone named Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream.

[Sabrblade]

I'd like him to be dead, or non-operational in some way.

They managed to bring Orion back in the current IDWverse (and Megatron), I'd like him to disappear here.

There are three characters in Transformers that you can rely on never staying dead: Anyone named Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream.

In the final episode of Animated, Starscream died for good.

[Archanubis]

I'd like him to be dead, or non-operational in some way.

They managed to bring Orion back in the current IDWverse (and Megatron), I'd like him to disappear here.

There are three characters in Transformers that you can rely on never staying dead: Anyone named Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream.

In the final episode of Animated, Starscream died for good.

Only because that turned out to be the final season.

[Sabrblade]

I'd like him to be dead, or non-operational in some way.

They managed to bring Orion back in the current IDWverse (and Megatron), I'd like him to disappear here.

There are three characters in Transformers that you can rely on never staying dead: Anyone named Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream.

In the final episode of Animated, Starscream died for good.

Only because that turned out to be the final season.

none of the existing season 4 info makes any mention of Starscream returning to the story.

[Archanubis]

I'd like him to be dead, or non-operational in some way.

They managed to bring Orion back in the current IDWverse (and Megatron), I'd like him to disappear here.

There are three characters in Transformers that you can rely on never staying dead: Anyone named Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream.

In the final episode of Animated, Starscream died for good.

Only because that turned out to be the final season.

none of the existing season 4 info makes any mention of Starscream returning to the story.

I thought I read somewhere that Slipstream would have used a piece of her Allspark crystal to revive Starscream had a fourth season occurred.

[Sabrblade]

I thought I read somewhere that Slipstream would have used a piece of her Allspark crystal to revive Starscream had a fourth season occurred.

That was a deleted storyboard scene from the same episode he dies in.

[PrymeStriker]

Okay...Rage of the Dinobots #1

Honestly, I haven't read this. I just read up on what happens through TFWiki.

So, Blast Off got blasted in the kidney. I saw that in the five-page-preview. No more Bruticus, if he's dead.

Did Sludge just die again?

Ser-Ket. That's the name of the shiny Predacon on the cover of issue #3.



He looks awesome. His name is not. The only good names in the team of Predacons are the ones that have already been used.

Backbite. Will he have a bigger role than his G1 counterpart?

Ultra Magnus? Captured!? I hope Circuit Ser-Ket doesn't ruin the chances of Magnus being in season 3...in his PRiD body.

"Re-forged." I've devised that this means they're going to reformat Autobots into Predacons.

Interesting storyline. I'll need to pick this up later on down the road, but at least I know what happens in a nut-shell.

[Sabrblade]

I'm gonna hold out for the trade coming next year (which I hope comes out before season 3, even if that would push season 3 as far back as the beginning of Summer).

[RAcast]

Okay...Rage of the Dinobots #1

Honestly, I haven't read this. I just read up on what happens through TFWiki.

So, Blast Off got blasted in the kidney. I saw that in the five-page-preview. No more Bruticus, if he's dead.

Did Sludge just die again?

Ser-Ket. That's the name of the shiny Predacon on the cover of issue #3.


He looks awesome. His name is not. The only good names in the team of Predacons are the ones that have already been used.

Backbite. Will he have a bigger role than his G1 counterpart?

Ultra Magnus? Captured!? I hope Circuit Ser-Ket doesn't ruin the chances of Magnus being in season 3...in his PRiD body.

"Re-forged." I've devised that this means they're going to reformat Autobots into Predacons.

Interesting storyline. I'll need to pick this up later on down the road, but at least I know what happens in a nut-shell.

Actually, it's a great name. Egyptian deification of, wanna guess? A scorpion. Can't wait to see his(?) altmode.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serket

[PrymeStriker]

Okay...Rage of the Dinobots #1

Honestly, I haven't read this. I just read up on what happens through TFWiki.

So, Blast Off got blasted in the kidney. I saw that in the five-page-preview. No more Bruticus, if he's dead.

Did Sludge just die again?

Ser-Ket. That's the name of the shiny Predacon on the cover of issue #3.


He looks awesome. His name is not. The only good names in the team of Predacons are the ones that have already been used.

Backbite. Will he have a bigger role than his G1 counterpart?

Ultra Magnus? Captured!? I hope Circuit Ser-Ket doesn't ruin the chances of Magnus being in season 3...in his PRiD body.

"Re-forged." I've devised that this means they're going to reformat Autobots into Predacons.

Interesting storyline. I'll need to pick this up later on down the road, but at least I know what happens in a nut-shell.

Actually, it's a great name. Egyptian deification of, wanna guess? A scorpion. Can't wait to see his(?) altmode.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serket

The name makes sense. It doesn't have to be great to make sense. He'll turn into a scorpion, no doubt, but that name doesn't settle for me.

[Sabrblade]

He'll turn into a scorpion, no doubt,

With wings?

[PrymeStriker]

He'll turn into a scorpion, no doubt,

With wings?

Now his name doesn't make sense. What is he supposed to be?!

[King Kuuga]

He'll turn into a scorpion, no doubt,

With wings?

I see no problems here.

[Sabrblade]

He'll turn into a scorpion, no doubt,

With wings?

Now his name doesn't make sense. What is he supposed to be?!

A dragon, I guess? All the other Preds we've seen thus far seem to be.

[RAcast]

He'll turn into a scorpion, no doubt,

With wings?

Now his name doesn't make sense. What is he supposed to be?!

A dragon, I guess? All the other Preds we've seen thus far seem to be.

I retain the stance that despite being called "Predacons" they're going to stick more to the likes of the Terrorcons, Horrorcons, Monsterbots, etc. At least for now; which means everything is going to be either a mythical creature (draconic and scaly or griffin/chimera-y like Lazerback) or inhuman and horrific.

[Sabrblade]

He'll turn into a scorpion, no doubt,

With wings?

Now his name doesn't make sense. What is he supposed to be?!

A dragon, I guess? All the other Preds we've seen thus far seem to be.

I retain the stance that despite being called "Predacons" they're going to stick more to the likes of the Terrorcons, Horrorcons, Monsterbots, etc. At least for now; which means everything is going to be either a mythical creature (draconic and scaly or griffin/chimera-y like Lazerback) or inhuman and horrific.

Well, again, these are new Predacons.

Though, it should be noted that, among the G1 Predacons, the altmodes of Headstrong and Tantrum don't really fit with the group's name since neither rhinoceroses nor bovines are predatorial.

[RAcast]

He'll turn into a scorpion, no doubt,

With wings?

Now his name doesn't make sense. What is he supposed to be?!

A dragon, I guess? All the other Preds we've seen thus far seem to be.

I retain the stance that despite being called "Predacons" they're going to stick more to the likes of the Terrorcons, Horrorcons, Monsterbots, etc. At least for now; which means everything is going to be either a mythical creature (draconic and scaly or griffin/chimera-y like Lazerback) or inhuman and horrific.

Well, again, these are new Predacons.

Though, it should be noted that, among the G1 Predacons, the altmodes of Headstrong and Tantrum don't really fit with the group's name since neither rhinoceroses nor bovines are predatorial.

I know, I'm just saying that all of the TFPrime Predacons we've seen so far have all been some sort of mythical creature or monster, more in line with G1's Terrorcons, etc in terms of design and altmode choice. (And at least one of them IS a Terrorcon, Sinnertwin, called Twinstrike!)

[King Kuuga]

Then I'd say they fit the idea of "predacons" better than the original Predacons, being mythical predators and what have you.

[RAcast]

Then I'd say they fit the idea of "predacons" better than the original Predacons, being mythical predators and what have you.

Very true, haha.

[PrymeStriker]

For a while, I've been questioning the appearance of the other four Dinobots in the Prime cartoon. Seeing as Grimlock's been hinted at too much by now, I can't really bring myself to such a doubt with him. They could homage Animated and have the other Dinobots go mute, but then they'd be pulling a Soundwave.

So, here's my topic starter: if the other Dinobots appear in the Prime cartoon, then who would you want to voice them?

For Swoop, I'd go for Michael Bell (the original VA of Swoop). He tried getting on the show by auditioning for Ratchet, so hopefully he still has Swoop's voice in him. They've already got Welker, and he was the original voice of Sludge. Why not? For Slag Slug, I'd pick the FoC voice of Travis Willingham. The same goes for Snarl and his FoC VA of Sam Riegel.

Then my list would be:

* Gregg Berger as Grimlock
* Michael Bell as Swoop
* Frank Welker as Sludge
* Sam Riegel as Snarl
* Travis Willingham as Slag Slug

Anyone else agree, or do you have others in mind?

[Sabrblade]

I'd just love to see as much homogenizing between the actors of the games and show as possible. Therefore, I vote for all the game VAs to reprise their roles, especially since all four of the others (sans Sludge since he was dead) sounded drastically different from their G1 voices in the game.

G1 Swoop sounded scratchy and scraggly, FOC Swoop sounded silly yet sophisticated.
G1 Slag sounded aggressive and high-pitched, FOC Slug sounded strong and low-pitched.
G1 Snarl sounded gruff and, well, snarly, FOC sounded smart and eloquent.

[Bubbah]

Yeah, agreed. I'd like them to use the game VAs in the show as well, it would just really help solidify continuity, and honestly, I have zero complaints about any of the game voices. They all did a really good job, I thought.

[PrymeStriker]

I'd just love to see as much homogenizing between the actors of the games and show as possible. Therefore, I vote for all the game VAs to reprise their roles, especially since all four of the others (sans Sludge since he was dead) sounded drastically different from their G1 voices in the game.

G1 Swoop sounded scratchy and scraggly, FOC Swoop sounded silly yet sophisticated.
G1 Slag sounded aggressive and high-pitched, FOC Slug sounded strong and low-pitched.
G1 Snarl sounded gruff and, well, snarly, FOC sounded smart and eloquent.

Yeah, exactly. That's why I picked the FoC VAs for Snarl & Slug and the G1 VA for Sludge. The only thing is that I thought of Michael Bell for Swoop because Bell had auditioned for the show before. Michael Bell or Mark Allan Stewart, either one works for me.

[G1 Smoketreader]

Regarding G1, again, now that I have the PC fixed, and to move on :

To the best of my knowledge the aligned continuity includes the WFC and FOC games, then also the novels (Exodus and whichever other- I don't recall), plus PRIME and whatever else. If this is wrong, ignore everything I said and I wholeheartedly apologize.

I haven't read the novels: I don't plan to. I haven't played the games, I'll pick them up someday, maybe. There is no TF PRIME airing in my area, I watch it on YOUTUBE if I'm not away from home for work.

To the best of my knowledge, the above ARE all one continuity and in it there is a group of TFs who escape Cybertron on the last ship out, which I'm pretty sure is the Ark and that this group baptizes itself 'Generation one'.

This group is the OFFICIAL GENERATION ONE because they are in an OFFICIAL CONTINUITY. Their appearance in this OFFICIAL CONTINUITY FAMILY is THE OFFICIAL REWRITE OF the original GENERATION ONE- that 'original' being the cartoon show that came before Generation two and was renamed G1, well, posthumously, if you will.

The writers of TF:PRIME took some odd bits from here and there, tweaked them around used them in a pre-written story that has status effects being passed around mixed with the occasional flashback to take up episode space where nothing much is actually happening quite often.

By Pre-written I mean the end is decided.The key events are decided. The character development is decided. It's not free-form.It's not character development because it's not open ended. It's just a formula- and since so few character types are in the formula, it's a charlatan effort.

The excuse for so few characters is to save costs on CGI mannequins and so on. Bumblebee, however, has a Mannequin that could be used to re-introduce several original G1 characters (Prowl, Bluestreak et al) while Starscreams' mannequin: Seekers. I'm over all that, but I'm not over the prescription storytelling: Create a need, fulfill that need, create another need, ignore when necessary (Knockout not phase-shifted into a wall section, Bulkhead doomed to long term hospitalization). I love TFP, but it doesn't mean I have to love every written step of it.Remember the original G1 cartoon? We loved it: looking back at it today- it's inferior.

The opportunity was there to do a lot with the Transformers lore that this show has been amassing to itself (Tho I call the relic hunt a veiled replay of Armada:formula for previous popularity is, after all, the quickest formula for follow up success). PRIME took two small groups of characters and ran them and the viewers around in circles. It is the continuation of the existing aligned continuity and as such is a rewrite of everything available to this continuity rewrite, including things that haven't happened yet (eg: beast wars) AND THE REWRITE OF GENERATION ONE (the old one becoming the new one) IS CONTINUED INSIDE THE STORY OF THIS SHOW. The rewrite, so far, has been handled badly. That's all.

You ask where is said G1 in this show: I say that's exactly the point; Where is it? T Does it have to be the same G1, in terms of Wheeljack being a Wrecker? In terms of Starscream being a gimp? In terms of Orion Pax being Optronix?: No, it doesn't need to be the same G1.

Should it be a different G1? NOT IF YOU'RE A GOOD ENOUGH STORYTELLER. IF YOU'RE A GOOD ENOUGH STORYTELLER, KNOCKOUT CAN OVERSEE A BUNCH OF DECEP FOOTMEN (OR EVEN DREADWING)AS THEY PERFORM A CERVICAL CORTEX PATCH THINGY OPERATION WHILE STILL BEING STUCK IN THE WALL- ALL THE GEAR JUST GETS WHEELED INTO THE HALLWAY.

And no, I don't want just G1. I want it all. I just want it done by ppl who will tell a story about it all, not close a deal for shitloads of episodes and then doctor up a runaround story from the easiest writers' school formula to remember and then get applauded for writing that can't even follow its' own continuity.