Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I'd just love to see as much homogenizing between the actors of the games and show as possible. Therefore, I vote for all the game VAs to reprise their roles, especially since all four of the others (sans Sludge since he was dead) sounded drastically different from their G1 voices in the game.
G1 Swoop sounded scratchy and scraggly, FOC Swoop sounded silly yet sophisticated.
G1 Slag sounded aggressive and high-pitched, FOC Slug sounded strong and low-pitched.
G1 Snarl sounded gruff and, well, snarly, FOC sounded smart and eloquent.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
G1 Smoketreader wrote:You ask where is said G1 in this show: I say that's exactly the point; Where is it?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Yes, that is correct.G1 Smoketreader wrote:To the best of my knowledge the aligned continuity includes the WFC and FOC games, then also the novels (Exodus and whichever other- I don't recall), plus PRIME and whatever else. If this is wrong, ignore everything I said and I wholeheartedly apologize.
You were right up until the last sentence. The group that leaves Cybertron aboard the Ark do not go to Earth like in G1 fiction. They go instead on a space-faring quest to several colony planets, which did not happen in G1.G1 Smoketreader wrote:I haven't read the novels: I don't plan to. I haven't played the games, I'll pick them up someday, maybe. There is no TF PRIME airing in my area, I watch it on YOUTUBE if I'm not away from home for work.
To the best of my knowledge, the above ARE all one continuity and in it there is a group of TFs who escape Cybertron on the last ship out, which I'm pretty sure is the Ark and that this group baptizes itself 'Generation one'.
Generation 1 is an official continuity, and this, the Aligned continuity, is also an official continuity. There is more than one official continuity beyond just G1.G1 Smoketreader wrote:This group is the OFFICIAL GENERATION ONE because they are in an OFFICIAL CONTINUITY. Their appearance in this OFFICIAL CONTINUITY FAMILY is THE OFFICIAL REWRITE OF the original GENERATION ONE- that 'original' being the cartoon show that came before Generation two and was renamed G1, well, posthumously, if you will.
Yes and no.G1 Smoketreader wrote:The writers of TF:PRIME took some odd bits from here and there, tweaked them around used them in a pre-written story that has status effects being passed around mixed with the occasional flashback to take up episode space where nothing much is actually happening quite often.
By Pre-written I mean the end is decided.The key events are decided. The character development is decided. It's not free-form.It's not character development because it's not open ended. It's just a formula- and since so few character types are in the formula, it's a charlatan effort.
I think the issue here might be that you're possibly using a different definition of the word "rewrite" than the rest of us.G1 Smoketreader wrote:AND THE REWRITE OF GENERATION ONE (the old one becoming the new one) IS CONTINUED INSIDE THE STORY OF THIS SHOW.
I think you might also be using a different definition of "G1" as well.G1 Smoketreader wrote:[b]You ask where is said G1 in this show: I say that's exactly the point; Where is it? T Does it have to be the same G1, in terms of Wheeljack being a Wrecker? In terms of Starscream being a gimp? In terms of Orion Pax being Optronix?: No, it doesn't need to be the same G1.
Should it be a different G1? NOT IF YOU'RE A GOOD ENOUGH STORYTELLER. IF YOU'RE A GOOD ENOUGH STORYTELLER, KNOCKOUT CAN OVERSEE A BUNCH OF DECEP FOOTMEN (OR EVEN DREADWING)AS THEY PERFORM A CERVICAL CORTEX PATCH THINGY OPERATION WHILE STILL BEING STUCK IN THE WALL- ALL THE GEAR JUST GETS WHEELED INTO THE HALLWAY.
"All" what?G1 Smoketreader wrote:And no, I don't want just G1. I want it all.
Hang on a sec, Shadowman. I think we can approach this better if we get a better understanding of what he thinks of as a "rewrite" and "G1", since those seem to be the biggest points of conflict here.Shadowman wrote:Dude, are you still on that? Nevermind that you and only you understand what "rewrite is continued inside the story" means, it's still official that G1 is unrelated.G1 Smoketreader wrote:You ask where is said G1 in this show: I say that's exactly the point; Where is it?
How many times do we have to explain this to you? We're not asking anything, we're telling you that G1 is unrelated.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
G1 Smoketreader wrote:Regarding G1, again, now that I have the PC fixed, and to move on :
To the best of my knowledge the aligned continuity includes the WFC and FOC games, then also the novels (Exodus and whichever other- I don't recall), plus PRIME and whatever else. If this is wrong, ignore everything I said and I wholeheartedly apologize.
To the best of my knowledge, the above ARE all one continuity and in it there is a group of TFs who escape Cybertron on the last ship out, which I'm pretty sure is the Ark and that this group baptizes itself 'Generation one'.
This group is the OFFICIAL GENERATION ONE because they are in an OFFICIAL CONTINUITY. Their appearance in this OFFICIAL CONTINUITY FAMILY is THE OFFICIAL REWRITE OF the original GENERATION ONE- that 'original' being the cartoon show that came before Generation two and was renamed G1, well, posthumously, if you will.
Should it be a different G1? NOT IF YOU'RE A GOOD ENOUGH STORYTELLER. IF YOU'RE A GOOD ENOUGH STORYTELLER, KNOCKOUT CAN OVERSEE A BUNCH OF DECEP FOOTMEN (OR EVEN DREADWING)AS THEY PERFORM A CERVICAL CORTEX PATCH THINGY OPERATION WHILE STILL BEING STUCK IN THE WALL- ALL THE GEAR JUST GETS WHEELED INTO THE HALLWAY.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Red 50 wrote:I don't know if it's been mentioned already or if it's even been confirmed or formally rejected, but I HOPE that the Dinobots would make their debut on TF: Prime.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
PrymeStriker wrote:Red 50 wrote:I don't know if it's been mentioned already or if it's even been confirmed or formally rejected, but I HOPE that the Dinobots would make their debut on TF: Prime.
Technically, they've made their debut in the Transformers: Prime Rage of the Dinobots comic series that bridges FoC to Prime, as well as season two to season three. As far as the cartoon goes, Gregg Berger has been teased as a VA on the show, and there was mention of a possibility of a Prime Voyager Grimlock. If we don't get a full roster of Dinobots, we can at least safely assume Grimlock will show up.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:PrymeStriker wrote:Red 50 wrote:I don't know if it's been mentioned already or if it's even been confirmed or formally rejected, but I HOPE that the Dinobots would make their debut on TF: Prime.
Technically, they've made their debut in the Transformers: Prime Rage of the Dinobots comic series that bridges FoC to Prime, as well as season two to season three. As far as the cartoon goes, Gregg Berger has been teased as a VA on the show, and there was mention of a possibility of a Prime Voyager Grimlock. If we don't get a full roster of Dinobots, we can at least safely assume Grimlock will show up.
Technically they debuted in the DS version of War for Cybertron, but that might be splitting hairs a bit.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
PrymeStriker wrote:Shadowman wrote:PrymeStriker wrote:Red 50 wrote:I don't know if it's been mentioned already or if it's even been confirmed or formally rejected, but I HOPE that the Dinobots would make their debut on TF: Prime.
Technically, they've made their debut in the Transformers: Prime Rage of the Dinobots comic series that bridges FoC to Prime, as well as season two to season three. As far as the cartoon goes, Gregg Berger has been teased as a VA on the show, and there was mention of a possibility of a Prime Voyager Grimlock. If we don't get a full roster of Dinobots, we can at least safely assume Grimlock will show up.
Technically they debuted in the DS version of War for Cybertron, but that might be splitting hairs a bit.
Yes, that's true. However, I meant their debut under the "Prime" label.
Red 50 wrote:PrymeStriker wrote:Shadowman wrote:PrymeStriker wrote:Red 50 wrote:I don't know if it's been mentioned already or if it's even been confirmed or formally rejected, but I HOPE that the Dinobots would make their debut on TF: Prime.
Technically, they've made their debut in the Transformers: Prime Rage of the Dinobots comic series that bridges FoC to Prime, as well as season two to season three. As far as the cartoon goes, Gregg Berger has been teased as a VA on the show, and there was mention of a possibility of a Prime Voyager Grimlock. If we don't get a full roster of Dinobots, we can at least safely assume Grimlock will show up.
Technically they debuted in the DS version of War for Cybertron, but that might be splitting hairs a bit.
Yes, that's true. However, I meant their debut under the "Prime" label.
Well, I meant in the cartoon, but I'll blame myself for not being more specific in my original post. Still, thank you all for replying.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Well, there IS something called "Generation One" in Exodus, but it's ins't a group. Whilst it was being constructed in secret by Alpha Trion, the Ark was given the codename "Project Generation One". But afterwards, it never went by that name again, as it was a tentative alias given the project for its creation.G1 Smoketreader wrote:I see.
I went back to check TF Wiki on Exodus. I was sure that I had read there that the group who escape on the Ark name themselves 'Generation one' because they are the first TFs who carry on the Cybertronian civilisation away from the umbra of the council of 13. It's not there.Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Any which way, it isn't now.
On those grounds I apologize wholeheartedly for wasting peoples' time and energy.
All I can say to this is... well, they aren't going to be retelling the same old story of the 1980s fiction in a modern updated form since they've already gone very much contradicted many of the key aspects of that story.G1 Smoketreader wrote:*snip of everything after the above quote*
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The shot of Starscream pulling out his hand from Cliffjumper's chest after impanling him but before he fell over was cut.
Jack's line, "First rule about robot fight club is you don't talk about robot fight club," was cut.
Additional commercial break transitional fades were added for more breaks (this one we can expect again).
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
The impalement viewed from the side was still intact, just not the removal of Starscream's hand.PrymeStriker wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The shot of Starscream pulling out his hand from Cliffjumper's chest after impanling him but before he fell over was cut.
I expected this.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The impalement viewed from the side was still intact, just not the removal of Starscream's hand.PrymeStriker wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The shot of Starscream pulling out his hand from Cliffjumper's chest after impanling him but before he fell over was cut.
I expected this.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
PrymeStriker wrote:Jack's line, "First rule about robot fight club is you don't talk about robot fight club," was cut.
Why? To avoid copyright issues with "Fight Club?"
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:PrymeStriker wrote:Jack's line, "First rule about robot fight club is you don't talk about robot fight club," was cut.
Why? To avoid copyright issues with "Fight Club?"
Most likely it's because Fight Club isn't exactly a movie for kids. Name-dropping adult content on a kids show isn't popular with parents.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
PrymeStriker wrote:Shadowman wrote:PrymeStriker wrote:Jack's line, "First rule about robot fight club is you don't talk about robot fight club," was cut.
Why? To avoid copyright issues with "Fight Club?"
Most likely it's because Fight Club isn't exactly a movie for kids. Name-dropping adult content on a kids show isn't popular with parents.
I thought it'd have something to do with the "Fight Club" reference.
Let's see how many other hilarious censorships they conduct
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
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