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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby Burn » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:27 am

Cross posting AGAIN Kanra? *sigh* Such an attention seeker.

I'm starting to wonder if there's a point to this thread any more as it seems to be little more than memes being posted.
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:28 am

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Burn wrote:Cross posting AGAIN Kanra? *sigh* Such an attention seeker.

I'm starting to wonder if there's a point to this thread any more as it seems to be little more than memes being posted.


Come on, Burn. I didn't copy-pasta the whole thread. I was just pointing out something that was completely on topic. Plus those two picture are exclusive to this here thread.

Also, the memes are pretty much the point of this thread. It's like the "awesome pose thread" but with a Pretender topic. Yes. Posing G1 bricks. One can appreciate the dedication and the irony.

On the meme note, Bodrok, what do you use to put the impact font that is white letters with black outlines? The "meme font"?
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby bodrock » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:18 am

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What would you prefer this topic to be, Burn?

It'd be great to see more Pretender collections from fellow fans, but I enjoy seeing and talking about them regardless. It's not easy doing pure brick pics, so throwing in modern incarnations of characters or other TFs just adds to the fun and possibilities/poseability.
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I'll post links to a decent deal, but I gotta say the prices are creeping up -- as a result, it's a small niche for vintage TF collectors. And even then, G1ers may hate on the Pretenders for exactly what they are (a bot that bends over to transform, inside a shell that can only swivel its arms).

Hey Kanra, my go-to is: https://imgflip.com/memegenerator
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby Burn » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:47 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:I was just pointing out something that was completely on topic.

How was it on topic?
You shared a custom of a character that was a Pretender in G1.
Does that make it okay for someone to come along and share their custom movie Bumblebee because he was a Pretender in G1? Even though the custom is NOT a Pretender?

Also, the memes are pretty much the point of this thread. It's like the "awesome pose thread" but with a Pretender topic.

Yeah no. The Awesome Pictures and Pose Thread is about showcasing photography.

If this is about memes, then it's pointless.

bodrock wrote:What would you prefer this topic to be, Burn?

I'd prefer it to be related to Pretenders.

Unfortunately it's only you and Kanra that seem to be regular contributors. And it's devolved from an actual discussion to you just posting memes.

Which brings up another thing ... while I can't tell you to do it, I REALLY recommend you start using an image host. We've had board crashes in the past and attached images are often the first to go. And while we did have a internet massacre in the form of Photobucket, an off-site image host would offer up more reliability. Plus you wouldn't have to worry about that height restriction which leaves others having to scroll to see the bottom of your images.
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby bodrock » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:35 am

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I understand where you're coming from, Burn. All I want to do is talk about Pretenders.

Being a fan of them, the only real update we have to look forward to is the Prime Masters from PotP.

I imagine those may remain separate discussions, but I know I will be taking pics and mixing all flavors of Pretenders together (with the Prime Masters representing the humanoids). And although most of my pics are themed or memes, it's all about the Pretenders.

With message boards, it's always the latest and greatest that keep people posting -- and the Pretenders' heyday was circa 1989.

That leaves us with the comics, the Japanese series "Victory" and collection sharing to discuss.

I believe IDW had Pretenders featured most recently, resulting in the Titan Master Thunderwing that Kanra did up! Personally, I appreciated seeing the three versions side-by-side, as we got old & new. I still prefer the G1 face, but I'm biased like that.

I never watched Victory. I liked knowing who their Pretender "trio of terror" was, however. I'm a big fan of Bomb-Burst, but it wasn't because of Victory or the Marvel comics, back in the day -- it was his tech specs and the figure himself that inspired me to include him in so many pictures.

Now back to our collections. That's where 99.9% of my photos come from, and are inspired not only by my love of Pretenders & Transformers, but pop culture as well. If sharing Pretenders from our collection isn't on-topic, then you're right and there is no point to this topic.

Generally, I won't wax poetic about them, because I save those rants for my personal board of discussion. Then again, my love for this hobby does not come primarily from arguing over the mythos or ethos of Transformers, but rather the enjoyment I get out of the toys themselves. I'm sure you and anyone who visits this topic feels the same -- so why not get us back on topic instead?
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby Burn » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:52 am

bodrock wrote:Then again, my love for this hobby does not come primarily from arguing over the mythos or ethos of Transformers, but rather the enjoyment I get out of the toys themselves. I'm sure you and anyone who visits this topic feels the same -- so why not get us back on topic instead?

I get your enthusiasm, I really do. But have you noticed my lack of presence in this thread?

It's because I got bored with it.

Let's be honest, Pretenders? There's only so much you can discuss. PotP Pretenders should be in the PotP thread (at least until that line ends).

To me, the discussion ran its course, and the thread turned into nothing more than memes and it just became the same thing over and over. It wouldn't surprise me if others have come to feel the same way.

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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:28 am

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Burn wrote:
To me, the discussion ran its course, and the thread turned into nothing more than memes and it just became the same thing over and over. It wouldn't surprise me if others have come to feel the same way.


Amateur. There is so MUCH more to discuss. I thought about 3 other topics that are about Pretenders but not specifically the G1 toys. However, instead of making separate threads that will just be ignored, I'll talk about it here.

So, on to the first one for now.

Bay Movies. Yes, Bay Movies.

Especially Alice:



She is officially and cannonically a "pretender". They never show her "inner bot" transforming into anything though.

The real question is:



In DOTM, Lazerbeak transform the same way as Alice in ROTF, giving himself "shells" rather than properly transforming. So... Is Laserbeak a pretender?
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby bodrock » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:27 am

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Poor Jerry. :lol:

You got a point there, Kanra -- we could chalk it up to the Bayverse taking liberties, but Laserbeak makes sense as a Pretender.
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His tech spec said "interrogation" but I always felt he was the "spy" (which was Buzzsaw's tech spec role) thanks to the G1 cartoon -- perhaps it was like how they mixed up Rumble & Frenzy?

But back to it, I'd say DotM 'Beak could have been a Pretender REAL GEAR (as opposed to Pretender beast, classic, ultra, mega, mini or large).

I believe the only humanoid form Laserbeak has ever taken was as a convention exclusive Predacon.
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So if he's not a Pretender Real Gear or Beast, he could go Predacon (!) Pretender Classics. :PREDACON:

Any ideas on what his shell might be, if he went Classics? We all know Jazz ended up in the wrong body...
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby Burn » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:03 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:I thought about 3 other topics that are about Pretenders but not specifically the G1 toys. However, instead of making separate threads that will just be ignored, I'll talk about it here.

Except we're in the "Transformers TOYS Discussion" sub-forum so ... yeah. Fail. Image
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:31 pm

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Burn wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:I thought about 3 other topics that are about Pretenders but not specifically the G1 toys. However, instead of making separate threads that will just be ignored, I'll talk about it here.

Except we're in the "Transformers TOYS Discussion" sub-forum so ... yeah. Fail. Image


AUGH!

It came to my mind right after I pressed "submit" and went to work.

Never fear, my other 2 topics are about TOYS.

So...

There ARE other pretenders out there. If we consider that a pretender is a small bot inside a bigger shell, transformable or not (thank you, Mega Pretenders!) some other toys could be considered "pretenders".

The most recent ones being scout Brawn with the little Brawn Titan Master inside. Kinda like an inception, but it kinda count, doesn't it?

Also, when Ginrai go into "super Ginrai" mode, so little of his bot show in super mode, Ginrai might as well be a inner bot and his shell. On the same note, the G1 TOY of Ultra Magnus is basically a pretender because ALL of the bot hide into the trailer "shell"... if you conveniently ignore the back, that is.

The last one that come to mind is Star Saber. He's like a ULTRA PRETENDER! 8-}

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Any other pseudo-pretenders that you guys know of?
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby bodrock » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:50 pm

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Well, hold on a minute Kanra! We should establish what makes a Pretender a Pretender, and not just another pretender pretending to be a Pretender.

To me, a Pretender is...
-a robot inside an organic-looking shell disguise; even Sixshot can't do organics!
-innerbot transforms into their Cybertronian alt mode(s)
-humanoid or beast shells only, unless they also transform (ultra, mega)
-shells enhance abilities significantly

Any other basics they should share? Do you think I'm being too strict on the meat-bag requirement? #-o

Otherwise, they're just like all the rest, imho. 8-)
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby Burn » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:10 pm

bodrock wrote:Well, hold on a minute Kanra! We should establish what makes a Pretender a Pretender, and not just another pretender pretending to be a Pretender.

To me, a Pretender is...
-a robot inside an organic-looking shell disguise; even Sixshot can't do organics!
-innerbot transforms into their Cybertronian alt mode(s)
-humanoid or beast shells only, unless they also transform (ultra, mega)
-shells enhance abilities significantly

Any other basics they should share? Do you think I'm being too strict on the meat-bag requirement? #-o

Otherwise, they're just like all the rest, imho. 8-)


I think this just about covers it in a TRADITIONAL sense. One bot hiding inside a shell.

That being said, CW Ultra Magnus. The little bot IS Ultra Magnus inside armour/shell.
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:25 pm

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Also, both of those guys... Are basically Action Masters riding vehicles.

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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby bodrock » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:43 pm

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I can see how CW Ultra Maggie qualifies as a Pretender -- especially considering the Pretender Vehicles.
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He's definitely a li'l bot pretending to be a behemoth of a bot though!
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby bodrock » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:06 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Also, both of those guys... Are basically Action Masters riding vehicles.

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As a self-proclaimed Pretender fan, I'm surprised I don't own either of the Pretender Vehicles, Gunrunner & Roadgrabber.

The closest I have is Decepticon Ultra Pretender Roadblock; I'd say he (and Skyhammer) are hybrids between Mega, mini & large Pretenders, since they have all their various functionalities (transforming humanoid shell within a vehicular shell, lots of accessories).

I'm surprised they stopped with only one Con and one Bot for the Pretender Vehicles, though -- even the Beasts got two per faction (still want Chainclaw!).

Do you have both Pretender Vehicles? How do they compare to the other Pretenders?

I know you have Roadgrabber, Kanra, and I'm tempted to get him....

Back to Ultra Magnus, how would you feel about a Pretender shell modeled after the IDW avatar?
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Either for CW Minimus Ambus or a Prime Master-sized version for the recntly released Titan Master incarnation. Unless you go Pretender Classics....

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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby -Kanrabat- » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:36 pm

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I do have Roadgrabber. I quite like it, especially because it's so absurd. I'd like Gunrunner too but it's a bit too expensive for now. Too many preorders and Xmass coming up...

As for the Avatar, I'd like Whirl as the mono-eyed loli. There's something quite appealing with a huge bad-ass robot who turn into a loli... and back.

As if, "Hey there little girl, are you all al...WAUGH!" :lol:

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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby bodrock » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:34 am

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I would buy that Pretender Whirl in a heartbeat! It'd be bad ass.

I just did some Xmas shopping myself -- bought my son TR Overlord, myself TR Misfire, and hunted for G1 Bludgeon (and failed -- the cheapest complete was over 200 USD!).

I'm still casually searching for Stranglehold as well, but the prices have seriously gone up to unreasonable. :/
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

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bodrock wrote:Well, hold on a minute Kanra! We should establish what makes a Pretender a Pretender, and not just another pretender pretending to be a Pretender.


Try saying that 5 times fast ;)

Should the Crossformers Black Shadow and Blue Bacchus be counted towards Pretenders? I'd say not really, as the whole idea behind Pretenders seems to be them "becoming" something they can normally never be, either organic instead of robotic, or a totally different vehicle than what they normally transform into. The Crossformers fall more in line with the "upgrade suit" thing.
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby bodrock » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:32 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
bodrock wrote:Well, hold on a minute Kanra! We should establish what makes a Pretender a Pretender, and not just another pretender pretending to be a Pretender.


Try saying that 5 times fast ;)

Should the Crossformers Black Shadow and Blue Bacchus be counted towards Pretenders? I'd say not really, as the whole idea behind Pretenders seems to be them "becoming" something they can normally never be, either organic instead of robotic, or a totally different vehicle than what they normally transform into. The Crossformers fall more in line with the "upgrade suit" thing.

Good point! Black Shadow & Blue Bacchus are all robots in appearance -- as bulky G.I. Joe-like as Crossblades might be, Blue Bacchus looks like a smooth robocriminal.
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Shadow & Blue
Unlike Thunderwing, who is clearly a Japanese Oni in the flesh and armed to the teeth. Who can also transform into a jet. And Gerwalker.
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I think Minimus Ambus (aka, CW Ultra Magnus) could've fought on equal ground against a Crossformer. ;)^

That brings me back to the Pretender Vehicles -- their innerbot alt mode (it can fly!) was different than the shell (itza tank!). They could use it tor extra firepower at the very least, but you effectively had two vehicles for the price of one. I like to think that the Pretenders occasionally gamble on going in numbers (and remotely controlling their shells) at the cost of taking double damage.

Did the Crossformers do so too? Or would the innerbot always be in their shell? I might know if I'd watched Victory. :-P
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Also, both of those guys... Are basically Action Masters riding vehicles.

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Do not speak ill of my 2 pretender vehicles!! Roadgrabber was my first pretender, Gunrunner the 2nd. Burn helped me finish Gunrunner when I was scouring ebay for the parts to finish him (I bought both pretenders as inner robot and shell, all pom poms and hand held guns were bought separate). It was when burn helped me finish Gunrunner that I got Waverider and Skullgrin, whom I think is my favorite pretender, period.

Also, I got another pretender coming in the mail that I cannot wait to mess with and talk about!!
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby bodrock » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:53 pm

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D-Max, you tease!

I hope your Pretender is on the express train then. We'll be looking forward to him, too. :)

There's my non-favorite vintage store that has both Pretender Vehicles loose & complete -- but he wanted $80 for each. I was hoping for closer to $40, so I'll keep an eye out....

I love Skullgrin. He's one of the few I have 100% complete.
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:26 pm

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bodrock wrote:Did the Crossformers do so too? Or would the innerbot always be in their shell? I might know if I'd watched Victory. :-P


The inner robot would always remain inside the shell, only exiting for super vehicle mode; in fact, vehicle mode is the only form we see them in! Both has their shells destroyed by Greatshot if I may add.
The Dinoforce is another oddity in that its members never transform into their alt modes outside of their shells. When outside the shells do display some sentience so the tradeoff is that they're closer to the US Pretenders in concept: Goryu frequently rode his T-Rex shell in the anime :lol:
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby bodrock » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:29 pm

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I really gotta watch Victory now! Maybe after I'm done with Beast Wars. ;)
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But yeah, if the Dinoforce was simply Takara's version of Monstructor, they count as traditional Pretenders, I'd say.
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Dinoking (Not Monstructor)
Which reminds me -- I'd like to have all the Pretender Monsters as well! But I would not say no to the Dinofarce. :CON:
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If I'm being honest, their shells look pretty good -- the Pretender Monsters are a little cooler to me, but they were probably designed by the geniuses who gave us Octopunch, Stranglehold & Bludgeon -- so YMMV.

I'm definitely down with the "weird" alt modes these days -- especially for the Pretenders.
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Re: The Pretenders - Robots in Synthoplasmic Outer-Shell Disguise!

Postby Throttlebotsrevenge » Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:43 pm

bodrock wrote:I really gotta watch Victory now! Maybe after I'm done with Beast Wars. ;)
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But yeah, if the Dinoforce was simply Takara's version of Monstructor, they count as traditional Pretenders, I'd say.
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Which reminds me -- I'd like to have all the Pretender Monsters as well! But I would not say no to the Dinofarce. :CON:
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If I'm being honest, their shells look pretty good -- the Pretender Monsters are a little cooler to me, but they were probably designed by the geniuses who gave us Octopunch, Stranglehold & Bludgeon -- so YMMV.

I'm definitely down with the "weird" alt modes these days -- especially for the Pretenders.
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Take note of the Dinoforce Pretenders . . . for some reason, the Pretender shells get slimy. I've had 4/6 of them, and each shell feels gross to handle. This phenomenon is also listed on the TF wiki, so I'm not the only one who's noticed this.
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