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Va'al wrote:

Burn wrote:

Va'al wrote:y u so mean

40 something white male.

SJW's made me this way.

Oh sure blame me, again.

Let me send you the screencap ...

Va'al wrote:

Burn wrote:

Va'al wrote:y u so mean

40 something white male.

SJW's made me this way.

Oh sure blame me, again.

Actually I believe those ones are called "militant reactionaries" I mean I could think of something a bit more effective in describing them or so though, but it's not exactly appropriate for polite conversation. XD

I suppose it would make sense in the True Fan discussion to bring in more meaningless terms thrown around when one has no actual point or argument like SJW

I'm a true fan of cheesecake. Yummy.

Tiramisù is also great, and sorta cheesy.
Literally means 'pick me up', and a pick-up truck is a frequent alt-mode in Transformersland. So..

Tiramisù is a legit alt-mode..?

I'm a fan of Transformers. That is all.

Va'al wrote:Tiramisù is also great, and sorta cheesy.
Literally means 'pick me up', and a pick-up truck is a frequent alt-mode in Transformersland. So..

Tiramisù is a legit alt-mode..?

Oh yes I love tiramisu. I frequently order it for dessert at restaurants. So good.

So if a Transformer has a tiramisu alt mode, does that make it a tiramisuformer? And more importantly, if I eat Transformers for dessert, am I a true fan? Or just taking it way overboard? Is there a difference?

Damn it, now I want tiramisu.

What if the tiramisù hits the fan, though?

Is that a truensformer, or just a big mess?

That's just a waste of tiramisu. Whoever let's that happen is not a true fan. You know what tiramisu should hit? The spot.

Today's fan content.

I hate the idea of a true fan, haha. But iv also been told before I'm not a "true fan" because my fav tf series are beast wars and armada. Also I'm not a "true fan" of star wars, since ep 1 got me into loving star wars and I prefer the prequels. I think "Ture fan" for any fandom should die out cause it can prevent kids from enjoying a fandom or have ppl leave a fandom altogether. (I left the tf fandom years ago since older fans hated the unicorn trilogy, than the 2007 movie/animated came out and i found seiberton. which made me a fan again!)

Stealth Claw wrote: and i found seiberton. which made me a fan again!)

Glad to have you back, since 2007/9!

Here's today's fan content, from 40C Prato, Italy again.

What?


..that's actually pretty ingenious.


We know.

You've not lived until you've had a chocolate pie.

You're not a True Fan unless you've had chocolate pie.


Edit: Of all things to be my 7,000th post; I am so glad this was it.

The concept of a "true fan" as referred to by most when bringing up the "you aren't a TRUE fan" argument is absolute garbage, no doubt. Especially when looking at a franchise as long running as Transformers, where every era is practically its own fanbase.

HOWEVER

Whilst all fans are true fans, some fans are truer than others. That's not me being exclusionary or elitist, that's an objective fact. Some people are more casual fans of the brand, and some are much more dedicated. That's not to say one is "better" than the other of course, but it certainly is a thing. Not something that makes the "true fan" argument any less stupid though.

Of course, there's a difference between "You don't edit the wiki, attend every BotCon, track down obscure Venezuelan redecos and read really rare pack-in DVD comics, you aren't a true fan and therefore your opinion means nothing" (the more common True Fan argument) and "You don't even like Transformers, why should our fanbase cater to your demands?" (which is a perfectly salient point to bring up). By contrast to the no-true-Scotsman variant, not wanting outsiders meddling in your fandom is, IMO, perfectly reasonable and understandable.

I'll illlustrate two different scenarios to explain what I mean, using fictional examples:

1: SledgeFan199X says he doesn't particularly care for Quakebreak because she's hideous shades of magenta and beige, and will be saving up for Ruination instead. Broadblast21 says "They look like that in the comics, and there's been uglier coloured combiners before, therefore it's fine, besides you should just be grateful we're even getting a female combiner". SledgeFan199X replies that he doesn't like overly bright clashing colours (such as the G2 combiners or the like) and that he doesn't particularly care about the comics, he just wants a cool toy, which in his opinion Quakebreak isn't. Broadblast21 responds that because he doesn't read the comics that he isn't a true fan and thus his opinion on the matter is irrelevant. SledgeFan199X is disappointed by his fellow fan's utter lack of tolerance for divergent opinion and leaves the website.

2: "Media critic" Skeeter Aneesian (a woman with no prior interest in Transformers) starts making accusations that artist Kimiko Shinbo's new manga "Cybertron Tea Party" is sexist because it portrays Thunderblast, Minerva and other fembots enjoying delicious cake and tea whilst chatting about frivolous matters, which is apparently offensive because how DARE anyone portray female characters enjoying afternoon tea! (something something "negative gender stereotypes" are mentioned.) The fanbase are quick to respond that she isn't even interested in Transformers and therefore has no business complaining about what fans of the franchise enjoy- after all, if she does not like it, she has only to turn her attention elsewhere to something she does like. Skeeter then accuses the fans of using the "no true Scotsman/true fan" argument and cries about being "harassed" by evil fans of transforming robots and Victoria sponge cake on her Squawker account, causing endless friction between the Transformers community and the (sadly large) proportion of intrusive busybodies on the internet.

TLDR: "You're not a true fan" is not a valid argument. "You're not even a fan" (depending on context) is.

Black Hat wrote:Whilst all fans are true fans, some fans are truer than others.

No no no, we're not gonna pull an "Animal Farm" here. Instead I'll just pull on the string of my ceiling fan here:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Black Hat wrote:Whilst all fans are true fans, some fans are truer than others.

No no no, we're not gonna pull "Animal Farm" into this.

Why on earth not? It's a great book.

Look at the fans on this Starscream.



True fans.

Every time I see new responses in this thread I click in hoping to see that Rated X has FINALLY decided to join in the discussion, only to find out that yes, he does run in the other direction when proven wrong.

Which is disappointing enough, until you click in and find not just a lack of Rated X posts, but you find instead Alpha Bravo crap.

Oh hey, Burn! Wanted to say!

I've read the Marvel issues featuring Scrounge, and I can safely say I still found Alpha Bravo's story much more tragic

You're 21.

I was 11.

I was still coming to terms with the death of Optimus Prime.

You **** have no idea how **** easy you have it these days!

I didn't hear a disagreement

Yeah, because I don't actually remember what happened to Alpha Bravo, because I consider him the most worthless character in TF history.

Oh man, you haven't read Alpha Bravo's Club fiction? It's a super good story. Here you go. http://transformersclub.com/prose/deadly_aim.pdf

Burn wrote:Yeah, because I don't actually remember what happened to Alpha Bravo, because I consider him the most worthless character in TF history.

QFT.

That turd has been smeared all over this franchise for too long.

There are Venezuelan redecos?

**** alpha bravo.