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Ultra Markus wrote:are you kidding me for no 1? the legends generations/combiner wars seekers or the prime Predaking should be no 1 not prime cliffjumper/tailgate

But neither of those are Legion class toys.

I remember having most of these -sigh-

william-james88 wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:are you kidding me for no 1? the legends generations/combiner wars seekers or the prime Predaking should be no 1 not prime cliffjumper/tailgate

But neither of those are Legion class toys.

ok the predaking is commander class but the seekers are definitely legends so......
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Generations

Ultra Markus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:are you kidding me for no 1? the legends generations/combiner wars seekers or the prime Predaking should be no 1 not prime cliffjumper/tailgate

But neither of those are Legion class toys.

ok the predaking is commander class but the seekers are definitely legends so......
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Generations

Your link just sends me to the generations line, that doesnt really help. Can you just show me an image? Because I have a feeling we are talking about 2 different things. The Legends class being discussed is the one that predeced the legion class: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legends_(Transformers)

This list is only about the Legion class, those really small ones, but the thing is that it used to be called Legends class from 2005 to 2010.

The Legends/Legion Seekers that we would be talking about are these:


Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Skywarp Gallery

If you are talking about the more recent legends class (which used to be scouts), we already covered it 2 weeks ago: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... oys/35809/

william-james88 wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:are you kidding me for no 1? the legends generations/combiner wars seekers or the prime Predaking should be no 1 not prime cliffjumper/tailgate

But neither of those are Legion class toys.

ok the predaking is commander class but the seekers are definitely legends so......
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Generations

Your link just sends me to the generations line, that doesnt really help. Can you just show me an image? Because I have a feeling we are talking about 2 different things. The Legends class being discussed is the one that predeced the legion class: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legends_(Transformers)

This list is only about the Legion class, those really small ones, but the thing is that it used to be called Legends class from 2005 to 2010.

The Legends/Legion Seekers that we would be talking about are these:

Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Skywarp Gallery

If you are talking about the more recent legends class (which used to be scouts), we already covered it 2 weeks ago: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... oys/35809/

these guysthese are called legends
you either need to be more specific about your list or do more research because when you say legends those guys from that line are included too

The article is very specific, did you read it? And as I said the legends class you are describing were in the last list from two weeks ago.

Also the whole point is to compare toys of a common size class, those seekers of yours are not legion scale.

william-james88 wrote:The article is very specific, did you read it? And as I said the legends class you are describing were in the last list from two weeks ago.

Also the whole point is to compare toys of a common size class, those seekers of yours are not legion scale.

but you said legions/legends so.... legends class are included, if not dont include legends class
the whole point is you chose one of the most mediocre molds of that size for no 1 i do agree with the other choices on the list some should be no 1 more than cliffjumper, its like you just threw it in there because of no reason

Ultra Markus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:The article is very specific, did you read it? And as I said the legends class you are describing were in the last list from two weeks ago.

Also the whole point is to compare toys of a common size class, those seekers of yours are not legion scale.

but you said legions/legends so.... legends class are included, if not dont include legends class
the whole point is you chose one of the most mediocre molds of that size for no 1 i do agree with the other choices on the list some should be no 1 more than cliffjumper, its like you just threw it in there because of no reason

I didnt write this list, Cobotron did. You would know that if you read it. I just want to be clear with you in case others have the same questions.

We both agree that there are 2 different clases called Legends, great. Thats why we wrote 2 different lists. Here is the other one (which I wrote this time), why dont you go take a look:

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... oys/35809/

Not everything called legends automatically works, or else we would write about these too:

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Legends_(franchise)

Cobotron's article was precise, all people have to do is read it.

Knowing this distinction, please let us know what your favourite toys that are legion class (or legends class 2005-2010) and who you would pick as number 1 instead of CliffJumper. Or you could go comment on the other list.

Anyone else is welcome to join in on the dicussion of this specific scale as well.

Wow! I didn't think this would be so confusing.

Cobotron wrote:Wow! I didn't think this would be so confusing.

It's not, unless your being incredibly anal. Yay INTERNET

god help us if there's ever a "Top 10 Characters from Robots in Disguise"

william-james88 wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:The article is very specific, did you read it? And as I said the legends class you are describing were in the last list from two weeks ago.

Also the whole point is to compare toys of a common size class, those seekers of yours are not legion scale.

but you said legions/legends so.... legends class are included, if not dont include legends class
the whole point is you chose one of the most mediocre molds of that size for no 1 i do agree with the other choices on the list some should be no 1 more than cliffjumper, its like you just threw it in there because of no reason

I didnt write this list, Cobotron did. You would know that if you read it. I just want to be clear with you in case others have the same questions.

We both agree that there are 2 different clases called Legends, great. Thats why we wrote 2 different lists. Here is the other one (which I wrote this time), why dont you go take a look:

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... oys/35809/

Not everything called legends automatically works, or else we would write about these too:

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Legends_(franchise)

Cobotron's article was precise, all people have to do is read it.

Knowing this distinction, please let us know what your favourite toys that are legion class (or legends class 2005-2010) and who you would pick as number 1 instead of CliffJumper. Or you could go comment on the other list.

Anyone else is welcome to join in on the dicussion of this specific scale as well.

then maybe say the list is for the smaller legends only, from a specific time frame which was not really explained, if 2005-2010 then prime would be kind of outside that
and there are dozens of other toys that would replace cliffjumper for no 1, too many to list but if you want to go from same toyline i would say legion smokescreen for starters or air vehicons but cliffjumper shouldn't be on there any where

Ultra Markus wrote:but cliffjumper shouldn't be on there any where

WJ88 wrote:These are my opinions (just like movie or game reviews hosted by sites are still just the opinion of one person) so what matters most is what you guys think of the topic or list, and I hope to see your own lists or comments on omissions and ranking.

Ultra Markus wrote:then maybe say the list is for the smaller legends only, from a specific time frame which was not really explained, if 2005-2010

in the article, Cobotron wrote:Legends class, which started in 2005 until 2010 and then changed its name to Legion class. We covered the Scouts/Legends last time and this list differs from that one

Ultra Markus wrote: then prime would be kind of outside that

The title reads Legions/Legends

Ultra Markus wrote: but cliffjumper shouldn't be on there anywhere

Well, I like him. A lot.

I could never get past Cliffjumpers "horns." They've been neutered to the point of ridiculousness.

Though the transformation looks to be way more involved than I thought.

Plus one. Universe/Classics Jazz. This was the best upgraded G1 Jazz before RTS deluxe one.

This could be my favorite list so far cause I love this size class, one reason could be my budget lol . There are so many I love I don't think I can bring my list down to just ten. I love everyone that was on the list, even though I expected to see Fixit from RID.
Another one I have always liked was Universe Hound , oh and Beachcomber , like I said there are just so many that I love.

Michael Alex Kawa wrote:This could be my favorite list so far cause I love this size class, one reason could be my budget lol . There are so many I love I don't think I can bring my list down to just ten. I love everyone that was on the list, even though I expected to see Fixit from RID.
Another one I have always liked was Universe Hound , oh and Beachcomber , like I said there are just so many that I love.

Thanks Mike! But hey, I'd love to see your list, even if it's 20 deep. You know I don't have some of those great Uni/RTS guys like Hound, Beachcomber, or Warpath. I felt like I couldn't really speak for them without actually handling them. I look forward to acquiring them some day.

I knew the minute I started writing this list, the exclusion of Fixit would be a thing. Here's my stance. I love him. Think he's great. But, there's two things.
1. He serves a different purpose than most Legion/Legend figures. Most L/L toys are meant to just be smaller versions of larger toys. Where as Legion Fixit is more meant to compliment the Warrior Class toys by scaling perfectly with them. The character should be that size.
2. And a minor two at that. His alt mode feels like an after thought to me. A technicality. I've only seen season 1 so far, and for the life of me can't remember seeing him in his alt mode.
But again, I think for the purpose of being the small R2-3PO character that he's supposed to be, he nails it!

Cobotron wrote:2. And a minor two at that. His alt mode feels like an after thought to me. A technicality. I've only seen season 1 so far, and for the life of me can't remember seeing him in his alt mode.
But again, I think for the purpose of being the small R2-3PO character that he's supposed to be, he nails it!

So you know, he doesn't have an alt mode on the show.

Cobotron wrote:

Michael Alex Kawa wrote:This could be my favorite list so far cause I love this size class, one reason could be my budget lol . There are so many I love I don't think I can bring my list down to just ten. I love everyone that was on the list, even though I expected to see Fixit from RID.
Another one I have always liked was Universe Hound , oh and Beachcomber , like I said there are just so many that I love.

Thanks Mike! But hey, I'd love to see your list, even if it's 20 deep. You know I don't have some of those great Uni/RTS guys like Hound, Beachcomber, or Warpath. I felt like I couldn't really speak for them without actually handling them. I look forward to acquiring them some day.

I knew the minute I started writing this list, the exclusion of Fixit would be a thing. Here's my stance. I love him. Think he's great. But, there's two things.
1. He serves a different purpose than most Legion/Legend figures. Most L/L toys are meant to just be smaller versions of larger toys. Where as Legion Fixit is more meant to compliment the Warrior Class toys by scaling perfectly with them. The character should be that size.
2. And a minor two at that. His alt mode feels like an after thought to me. A technicality. I've only seen season 1 so far, and for the life of me can't remember seeing him in his alt mode.
But again, I think for the purpose of being the small R2-3PO character that he's supposed to be, he nails it!

Sorry for the late reply.
You made some very good points about Fixit , and I can understand why he didn't make the cut.
As for my favorites, like I mentioned Hound and Beachcomber . Others that I can think of would be the RTS Megatron , Universe Wheelie , Universe Warpath (like you mentioned). I am sure I could go on and on since I love this size class, but those are the ones on the top of my head right now.

There are a lot of great figures in this class taking into account the limitations of the class (less articulation, etc)

The ones on the list I'm familiar with are great, but there's one guy missing I would have put on there. Prime Smokescreen. Guy's a better representation of the show model than the too flat, fake parts chest deluxe "Beast Hunters" version, IMO.

Optimum Supreme wrote:There are a lot of great figures in this class (clip)
The ones on the list I'm familiar with are great, but there's one guy missing I would have put on there. Prime Smokescreen. Guy's a better representation of the show model (clip).

I like the Blue one especially - it's just a shame they never got around to making the Blue colouring on the Deluxe mould or a non-spikey black bumblebee. Perhaps something for a future platinum release.

Ultra Markus wrote: (clip)...There are dozens of other toys that would replace cliffjumper for No. 1, too many to list but if you want to go from same toyline I would say Legion Smokescreen for starters or Air Vehicons but Cliffjumper shouldn't be on there any where

I think they included Cliffjumper simply because of his unusually high Articulation. If you think of the toys as pocket size fun then the joints he has stand out somewhat.

Personally - I find the ones I keep coming back to time & again are Trailcutter (Trailbreaker) and Hound.

It's likely worth mentioning the sheer Number of Bumblebee's made in this scale too - let me put it this way I have a space for my Movie legions a space for the Universe ones and then another space for just Bumblebees.

I rather like the Transformers Prime Black Bumblebee 'Legion' too (the non-spikey one).

The more recent (Cyberverse Commander size) 'Legends' Like Wreck-Gar, Optimus Prime, Megatron (tank), or Starscream work really well with the smaller car ones too when they represent a larger character with a smaller Character like say Jazz or Hound with the smaller toy and Optimus with the bigger sized one.

Cobotron wrote:Wow! I didn't think this would be so confusing.

Hopefully people usually know what you mean when you say "Legion Size" even if you mean (old 2007 Legends class) so long as they don't decide to be pedantic about it.

But Transformers "are" confusing - I'm still not sure if the small Partner Figures that came with the likes of Tailgate or Swerve are (a new kind of) Targetmasters, Micromaster Triple-Changers or even 'Minicons' / Arms Microns.

Prime Wheeljack is great in any version (or size) I've seen, but that's the "special" version packed in with his spaceship. The single pack version of the figure had "Marlboor" type deco (with amazingly no controversy I'm aware of).

Optimum Supreme wrote:Prime Wheeljack is great in any version (or size) I've seen, but that's the "special" version packed in with his spaceship. The single pack version of the figure had "Marlboor" type deco (with amazingly no controversy I'm aware of).

You are correct O. Sups!
I love that they paid that homage to the old Diaclone in such a new toy. I think they skirted any trouble by keeping that deco super vague.

still wish I had doubled down and gotten that single packed version.

I'd go with Decepticon Rumble, Laserbeak, and Ravage. I would've gone with the three Autobot Legends class triple changers if I would've seen them in the store before I saw Decepticon Rumble.