The Energon Pub

by **Darthshadow** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:44 pm

Microraptor wrote:
Darthshadow wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Darthshadow wrote:I agree completely. The author just hates being told he's wrong when he is clearly wrong.

That Animated Megatron is the best toy on that list and to say G1 Wideload is worse than the other Throttlebots is just downright ridiculous.

The movie lines are filled with garbage.

Nobody is wrong, it's all about opinions, nothing here is factual. And the list isn't just my opinion but a round up of the community's collective opinion. There is even a link to the thread discussing that Megatron figure for everyone to check for themselves.

This is supposed to be fun, a chance for us to all let loose and say what we loathe. I look forward to reading people's own lists Feel free to tell us which top 10 movie figures you dislike the most.

All of them except Leader class Optimus Prime (2007) and Human Alliance Bumblebee suck equally.

Terradive, ROTF Leader Prime, Bludgeon, Hubcap, Skystalker, DOTM Jolt, leader Brawl, Battle Blades Bumblebee, Skyhammer, Evasion Mode Optimus, Hound, ROTF Lockdown, Deluxe Ironhide, Human Alliance Barricade. I could go on.

Ok, go ahead, keep naming poopy toys, you're good at it.

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:48 pm

Alpha Dominus wrote:
Andrius wrote:
There's always that guy who hates whatever's current because he expected it to be something it's not and feels disillusioned and let down. Since I don't know you and you list your specific gripes pretty clearly, I'll assume that's NOT you. I'm just saying.

I think there are a number of reasons to be frustrated by Combiner Wars, the barrage of retools and overall simplicity of the designs being probably the two largest for me.

But I'll say this about the line -- it's the first one in a LONG while that gives me real pleasure to just fiddle and "play" with the toys.

Do I love a good Masterpiece for complexity and display? Of course. And I regularly revisit some of my favorite Prime and CHUG toys.

But the Combiner Wars line is the first one in recent history that reminds me what it was like to be a kid -- and I'm talking 5-12 years old, here -- and just have fun.

The articulation is nice. The visual style is distinctive. And the whole combining concept is great. Always has been.

The designs are simple, sure, but that means they're accessible. I can transform a team from bot to alt to combined mode and back in ten minutes. That's less time than it takes me to transform some movie deluxe figures.

To me, the line is a terrific upgrade of the simple pleasure that was scramble city. And if that means I get saddled with a few too many iterations of the same mold, well, I'll live.

(And while I'm not excited by the potentially dropped ball that will be Victorion, I don't find anything about its release or that of the G2 homages to be exploitative. They're a playful wink and geared towards collectors. I appreciate the thought.)

Firstly, I will be the first to admit that I am that guy who was let down by Combiner Wars and it is true that its relative freshness is the reason for my quickly compiled list for most hated Transformers toys.
Secondly, I appreciate the non-personal attack towards my sentiments. I understand how some folks do take what are only indivual criticism personally, but I at least try to air my gripes with a reason (Well most of the time anyway).You counter with several valid points that echo my own appreciation for the line and also help me to realise other great reasons to reconsider its merit.

I never would have thought Defensor would end up being my favorite combiner and that we'd find such insane levels of articulation in any combiner. Incidentally, most of what I've seen so far with Titans War looks amazing and I can't wait to get my hands on those bots!

I like and value both sides, but personally fall under the 'enjoying my combiner' party. I think we wouldn't be feeling so fatigued by it if they had spruced up the variety of the line with some

's, and

fliers inter-mixed with the other '84 bots, but I think it went to a deeper level where hasbro wasn't just repainting figures and releasing them, but rehashing characters nobody really asked for.

I think this is a key point to be made, and while I cannot think of a more varied team, I can only imagine that a set with thunder clash instead of bc/op and some predators, or the g2 jets with 2 land vehicles would've been met with more interest by us instead of more datsun bros (admittedly among others)

by **Darthshadow** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:51 pm

Deadput wrote:
Darthshadow wrote:All of them except Leader class Optimus Prime (2007) and Human Alliance Bumblebee suck equally.

Have you actually played with the figures?

Because there are many great molds from the first movie yes there are some bad ones but the line was decent plus you have the wrong toys to compare anyways ROTF's toyline was the best of all the movies lines it had some really great figures that are just as good if not better then a lot of the current Generations toys.

Don't let your blind hate for Bay make you think everything is awful.

The aesthetics alone on the movie toys make them garbage for the most part. But to answer you, No, I did not play with them, I'm an adult I don't play with toys, I collect them.

I did transform them once or twice each, and believe me, that was MORE than enough for the movie lines to solidify themselves as the WORST TFs of all time, right up there with Beast Machines.

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:00 pm

Darthshadow wrote:I'm an adult I don't play with toys, I collect them.

So if you're an adult, how does collecting toys make it any less childish than playing with them?

by **Darthshadow** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:23 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Darthshadow wrote:I'm an adult I don't play with toys, I collect them.
So if you're an adult, how does collecting toys make it any less childish than playing with them?

Does that really need to be explained?

Wow, can't believe you even asked that.

News Credits: 33 · by **Amelie** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:37 pm

Darthshadow wrote:Does that really need to be explained?

It does. Please explain.

I thought long and hard about a G1 toy WORSE than Wideload. And I have it.

G1 Grand Slam

Sure, he's part of a cassette combiner, but as a figure on his own - its pure garbage. It just simply doesn't do anything other than hold its guns in a questionably artistic fashion and tries to call itself a "tank" mode.

News Credits: 25 · by **Ironhidensh** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:57 pm

Willy wants a list? Willy gets a list. ;)^

10) CW Motormaster/Optimus Prime- horrible torso mode, arm kibble ruins the robot mode, but alt mode is okay. Seriously, for a line solely focused on combining, Hastak failed spectacularly in designing the torso mode for this mold.

9) G1 Blaster. Love the character, hate the brick toy.

8] Beast Wars Transmetal Megatron. I actually love this toy. So much, that I've bought 4 of them. Each one has the plastic break at the waste. QC issues land this bitch ass on the list.

7) Energon Optimus Prime. Combined mode isn't the worst, but regular bot mode? Well, there is a reason we call it fatimus Prime.

6) prime Cliffjumper. The 1st and only Prime toy I bough. QC was bad enough to scare me off of the rest of the line.

5) 1st movie Bonecrusher. Whoever decided to make this toy a deluxe needs to never design again.

4) Energon Hot Shot. Same reasons as you.

3) Beast Machines deluxe Optimus Primal. WTF is this suposed to be? Did anyone ever figure it out?

2) 1st movie voyager Starscream. A vaguely official looking F22 with something that is supposed to be a robot slightly folded underneath.

1) Armada Scavenger. How is it even a Transformer? Seriously, **** this toy.

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:05 pm

Ironhidensh wrote:Willy wants a list? Willy gets a list.

10) CW Motormaster/Optimus Prime- horrible torso mode, arm kibble ruins the robot mode, but alt mode is okay. Seriously, for a line solely focused on combining, Hastak failed spectacularly in designing the torso mode for this mold.

9) G1 Blaster. Love the character, hate the brick toy.

8] Beast Wars Transmetal Megatron. I actually love this toy. So much, that I've bought 4 of them. Each one has the plastic break at the waste. QC issues land this bitch ass on the list.

7) Energon Optimus Prime. Combined mode isn't the worst, but regular bot mode? Well, there is a reason we call it fatimus Prime.

6) prime Cliffjumper. The 1st and only Prime toy I bough. QC was bad enough to scare me off of the rest of the line.

5) 1st movie Bonecrusher. Whoever decided to make this toy a deluxe needs to never design again.

4) Energon Hot Shot. Same reasons as you.

3) Beast Machines deluxe Optimus Primal. WTF is this suposed to be? Did anyone ever figure it out?

2) 1st movie voyager Starscream. A vaguely official looking F22 with something that is supposed to be a robot slightly folded underneath.

1) Armada Scavenger. How is it even a Transformer? Seriously, **** this toy.

I'm down with that list. Save maybe bonecrusher; in disbelief you bumped armada sideswipe off the list :shock:

That thing is straight up garbage :BANG_HEAD:

Have you looked into getting Armada Predacon? It has a better overall paint scheme (the insides of his thigh fans ;)^

) and he doesn't even sacrifice anything for the minicon gimmick. Also, maybe try hunting down movie leader starscream, he's a dream come true, like origami made with plastic =P~

by **Darthshadow** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:06 pm

Amelie wrote:
Darthshadow wrote:Does that really need to be explained?

[color=deeppink]It does. Please explain.

No it really doesn't

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:14 pm

Darthshadow wrote:
Amelie wrote:
Darthshadow wrote:Does that really need to be explained?

It does. Please explain.

No it really doesn't

Actually, at this point, your unfounded tirade on the movie figures and those that do like them does need some explanation to go with it, other than 'they don't look like G1' or some other such tripe; otherwise it's just pointless and half-arsed attempts at trolling to everyone else >:oP

News Credits: 33 · by **Amelie** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:29 pm

Hellscream9999 wrote:Actually, at this point, your unfounded tirade on the movie figures and those that do like them does need some explanation to go with it, other than 'they don't look like G1' or some other such bigotry; otherwise it's just pointless and half-arsed attempts at trolling to everyone else

Agreed. I might hate the movies for upsetting my G1 sensibilities, but a lot of brilliant engineering has come out of the movie line because the movie transformations are so absurd they've had to be clever with how they replicate both modes in toy form. ;)^

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:34 pm

Amelie wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Actually, at this point, your unfounded tirade on the movie figures and those that do like them does need some explanation to go with it, other than 'they don't look like G1' or some other such tripe; otherwise it's just pointless and half-arsed attempts at trolling to everyone else

Agreed. I might hate the movies for upsetting my G1 sensibilities, but a lot of brilliant engineering has come out of the movie line because the movie transformations are so absurd they've had to be clever with how they replicate both modes in toy form.

I guess I'm the exact opposite, I loved the weird rotf designs, I always looked forward to the movie figures, they counter-balanced the generation figures nicely ;)^

by **Darthshadow** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:37 pm

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Darthshadow wrote:
Amelie wrote:
Darthshadow wrote:Does that really need to be explained?

It does. Please explain.

No it really doesn't

Actually, at this point, your unfounded tirade on the movie figures and those that do like them does need some explanation to go with it, other than 'they don't look like G1' or some other such tripe; otherwise it's just pointless and half-arsed attempts at trolling to everyone else

First of all, stop being stupid. I never said anything about them "not looking G1" Did I say that? Seriously if you think I did, get your eyes checked.

Second, children play with toys, adults tend not to. Adults will collect them, just like they collect coins or stamps or cars or boats, or any of the other multitude of things adults will collect. One is distinctly associated with being a child, the other is not.

If that offends you, I apologize, but that's your problem, not mine.

News Credits: 33 · by **Amelie** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:45 pm

Darthshadow wrote:If that offends you, I apologize, but that's your problem, not mine.

It is not the opinion that offends in this case - more the language and attitude displayed when conveying it.

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:49 pm

Darthshadow wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Darthshadow wrote:
Amelie wrote:
Darthshadow wrote:Does that really need to be explained?

It does. Please explain.

No it really doesn't

Actually, at this point, your unfounded tirade on the movie figures and those that do like them does need some explanation to go with it, other than 'they don't look like G1' or some other such tripe; otherwise it's just pointless and half-arsed attempts at trolling to everyone else

First of all, stop being stupid. I never said anything about them "not looking G1" Did I say that? Seriously if you think I did, get your eyes checked.

Maybe you should get your eyes checked, I clearly put in an alternative argument to umbrella any other arguments you haven't bothered to offer up >:oP

by **Darthshadow** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:53 pm

Amelie wrote:
Darthshadow wrote:If that offends you, I apologize, but that's your problem, not mine.

It is not the opinion that offends in this case - more the language and attitude displayed when conveying it.

There was nothing offensive about my initial statement that children play with toys and adults do not. If you guys want to have such a ridiculous discussion fine, but don't get all touchy and moody over the facts.

What made my tone change was that I was pestered to explain that basic fact.

If people want to act like kids and play with toys, fine, it doesn't bother me, but the basic facts are, MOST adults do not.

I like Transformers as much, (or more likely MORE) than you guys, chances are I'm also much older than you are as well. I don't play with them, but it doesn't mean I don't enjoy looking at them or collecting them.

The really offensive part here, is that you all have this stupid need to have everything explained to you, even when it doesn't matter.

by **Darthshadow** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:55 pm

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Darthshadow wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Darthshadow wrote:
Amelie wrote:
Darthshadow wrote:Does that really need to be explained?

It does. Please explain.

No it really doesn't

Actually, at this point, your unfounded tirade on the movie figures and those that do like them does need some explanation to go with it, other than 'they don't look like G1' or some other such tripe; otherwise it's just pointless and half-arsed attempts at trolling to everyone else

First of all, stop being stupid. I never said anything about them "not looking G1" Did I say that? Seriously if you think I did, get your eyes checked.

Maybe you should get your eyes checked, I clearly put in an alternative argument to umbrella any other arguments you haven't bothered to offer up

LOL, OMFG. Bigotry doesn't apply here, look up the word.

by **Microraptor** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:58 pm

You know darth, for someone as "old" as you claim to be, you sure do seem to like petulantly whining at and insulting people who disagree with you.

News Credits: 25 · by **Ironhidensh** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:00 pm

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Willy wants a list? Willy gets a list.

10) CW Motormaster/Optimus Prime- horrible torso mode, arm kibble ruins the robot mode, but alt mode is okay. Seriously, for a line solely focused on combining, Hastak failed spectacularly in designing the torso mode for this mold.

9) G1 Blaster. Love the character, hate the brick toy.

8] Beast Wars Transmetal Megatron. I actually love this toy. So much, that I've bought 4 of them. Each one has the plastic break at the waste. QC issues land this bitch ass on the list.

7) Energon Optimus Prime. Combined mode isn't the worst, but regular bot mode? Well, there is a reason we call it fatimus Prime.

6) prime Cliffjumper. The 1st and only Prime toy I bough. QC was bad enough to scare me off of the rest of the line.

5) 1st movie Bonecrusher. Whoever decided to make this toy a deluxe needs to never design again.

4) Energon Hot Shot. Same reasons as you.

3) Beast Machines deluxe Optimus Primal. WTF is this suposed to be? Did anyone ever figure it out?

2) 1st movie voyager Starscream. A vaguely official looking F22 with something that is supposed to be a robot slightly folded underneath.

1) Armada Scavenger. How is it even a Transformer? Seriously, **** this toy.

I'm down with that list. Save maybe bonecrusher; in disbelief you bumped armada sideswipe off the list That thing is straight up garbage

Have you looked into getting Armada Predacon? It has a better overall paint scheme (the insides of his thigh fans ) and he doesn't even sacrifice anything for the minicon gimmick. Also, maybe try hunting down movie leader starscream, he's a dream come true, like origami made with plastic

Agreed, Armada Sideswipe is garbage, and I hate him, I just have bigger problems with these others. Plus, my 3 year old son loves to play with it, so that has given me new appreciation for it.

Darthshadow, adults play with toys all the damn time. Those toys might be boats or motorbikes or cars or tools or a garden and not actual toys, but trust me, they still **** play with them. If you don't, congrats on being lame. Perhaps someday you'll find something better to do with your time then troll message boards.

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:05 pm

Ironhidensh wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Willy wants a list? Willy gets a list.

10) CW Motormaster/Optimus Prime- horrible torso mode, arm kibble ruins the robot mode, but alt mode is okay. Seriously, for a line solely focused on combining, Hastak failed spectacularly in designing the torso mode for this mold.

9) G1 Blaster. Love the character, hate the brick toy.

8] Beast Wars Transmetal Megatron. I actually love this toy. So much, that I've bought 4 of them. Each one has the plastic break at the waste. QC issues land this bitch ass on the list.

7) Energon Optimus Prime. Combined mode isn't the worst, but regular bot mode? Well, there is a reason we call it fatimus Prime.

6) prime Cliffjumper. The 1st and only Prime toy I bough. QC was bad enough to scare me off of the rest of the line.

5) 1st movie Bonecrusher. Whoever decided to make this toy a deluxe needs to never design again.

4) Energon Hot Shot. Same reasons as you.

3) Beast Machines deluxe Optimus Primal. WTF is this suposed to be? Did anyone ever figure it out?

2) 1st movie voyager Starscream. A vaguely official looking F22 with something that is supposed to be a robot slightly folded underneath.

1) Armada Scavenger. How is it even a Transformer? Seriously, **** this toy.

I'm down with that list. Save maybe bonecrusher; in disbelief you bumped armada sideswipe off the list That thing is straight up garbage

Have you looked into getting Armada Predacon? It has a better overall paint scheme (the insides of his thigh fans ) and he doesn't even sacrifice anything for the minicon gimmick. Also, maybe try hunting down movie leader starscream, he's a dream come true, like origami made with plastic

Agreed, Armada Sideswipe is garbage, and I hate him, I just have bigger problems with these others. Plus, my 3 year old son loves to play with it, so that has given me new appreciation for it.

Darthshadow, adults play with toys all the damn time. Those toys might be boats or motorbikes or cars or tools or a garden and not actual toys, but trust me, they still **** play with them. If you don't, congrats on being lame. Perhaps someday you'll find something better to do with your time then troll message boards.

I have to hand it to you, that's a nice take on sideswipe; he does have an amazing alt mode, and that Cybertron version with the flames, looks nice ;)^

But seriously, look into armada predacon

News Credits: 33 · by **Amelie** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:10 pm

Darthshadow wrote:There was nothing offensive about my initial statement that children play with toys and adults do not. If you guys want to have such a ridiculous discussion fine, but don't get all touchy and moody over the facts.

What made my tone change was that I was pestered to explain that basic fact.

Actually, to rewind this thread, your initial statement was.

Darthshadow wrote:Gotta disagree with the list.

Every one of the top 10 worst TFs all belong to the movie line. Nearly every movie figure ever made is crap.

To which william-james88 merely said

william-james88 wrote:Tell that to the multitude of fans who called foul on me not including the Movie Blackout mold as part of the best Helicopter TFs: top-5-best-helicopter-transformers-toys-t106231.php

Which led to you insulting, albeit mildly, a vast proportion of this forum

Darthshadow wrote:Fine, those fans are fools because the movie toys are total crap, period.

Its when you defend opinions in this way that people get offended, not only because its childish, but also because it shows no respect to others.

Personally - childish or not to collect toys. I'm not really bothered on the schematics of that. Others opinions of it are interesting, though. I type this, when my bed has G1 1985 bedsheets and pillow case.

by **Darthshadow** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:15 pm

Microraptor wrote:You know darth, for someone as "old" as you claim to be, you sure do seem to like petulantly whining at and insulting people who disagree with you.

Ummmm again, the petulance is the fact such a basic concept needs to be explained. Offend or not, I really don't care. I'm not here to be your friend, I'm merely offering my option on the topic. The fact none of you like it is YOUR problem, not mine.

I think the movie line, in almost it's entirety is complete garbage. It is a free country here in Canada the last time I checked, I am free to express that opinion, whether or not you or anyone else agrees with it or likes it. It's that simple.

That's what, at the end of the day, it boils down to.

I offered my opinion and was willing to let it go, you all pestered me about it and then got annoyed by the fact I replied to you.

Again, your issue, not mine.

If you all like this list, you are certainly free to do so. If you all want to say CHUG is garbage, again, you are free to do so. I certainly don't give two shakes of a rat's ass.

When you reach a certain age you'll learn you simply no longer care whether or not people agree with you.

News Credits: 174 · by **Hellscream9999** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:16 pm

Surprised no one mention 'big rescue force', or whatever it was called. The 4/6 of liokaiser, as it was 'whole' for that line, I'd have to imagine that it's on the table :-?

by **Darthshadow** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:18 pm

[quote="Amelieg]Others opinions of it are interesting, though. I type this, when my bed has G1 1985 bedsheets and pillow case.

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Enjoy :-D

News Credits: 33 · by **Amelie** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:19 pm

I think, usually, when someone says "Its bad" or "Its good" and someone replies with "What makes it bad\good?" - I'd call that conversation, not pestering.

On topic -

I actually agree with Ironhidensh - Armada Scavenger is worse than Sideswipe. I've owned both and out of the pair - I still have Sideswipe. He's usually the Armada toy I'm most likely to have a fiddle with every now and then. That awful gimmick with the bike totally wrecked the figure, but I still find the easy transformation fun.