Coptur wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
Well, the deaths in The Agenda were in part down to Mainframe not knowing if they would get a Season 3. Hence Rampage and Inferno being virtually incinerated and being perfectly fine in the next episode.
Much in the same way Tarantulas and Tigerhawk were killed off so quickly in Season 3.
The 'Unicron Spawn' line will always be contentious. A slur, no doubt. But some always read more into things than others. Like how some fans accredit Beast Wars with having links to the G1/G2 comics, purely based on what those behind the scenes have said after the fact. To me, the show has no links to the comics, because it was never featured or directly referenced in a single episode. Which is the only source that counts.
As for Terrorsaur, there was actually an episode of Animated that gave me an idea on where he might have gone. Wherein Starscream created his own clone/Seeker brigade. That could have worked for him. Also elaborating more on the Season one idea of Cybertronian intellect being overtaken by the more bestial nature of the organics integrated in them. As for Scorponok, leave him where he sank...
As an aside, I do hold out the faintest hope that one day we might get a Masterpiece Beast Wars Ravage from The Agenda. One that transforms from a vague TM Cheetor body mold into a Cassette.
We all love a cliffhanger ending...
LOL. Tarantulas made it 10/11 episodes Tigahawk was pointless for me nothing than more "hey kids look at this toy".
Honestly (for me) the Unicorn line for me was nothing more than a slur and taken
way out of context, I honestly cannot express how much I hate the Tarantulas/Unicron thing. For me there should've/could've been a Quintesson to me they make more sense than Unicron. (I literally wrote a sequel to BM in 2001/2002 with a friend [probably awful] using the Qunitessons). Could agree more about the G2 thing another thing taken
way out of context, keep the Vok away from the the Swarm
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Yeah I can see Terrorsaur doing that with a few of the other status pods Lazorbeak & Fractyl come to mind. Then I guess Tarantulas tried to do the the with spiders early season 1. The more I look at the Cybertron series Dark Scorponok I think that could've been BW Scorponoks badass/gone mad Transmetal 1 or 2 body.
I really shouldn't risk getting this thread any more off topic, but the slur-out-of-context theory for "Unicron-Spawn" has been bugging me ever since I saw it uncontested on TFWiki, so I feel the need to post a reminder of its actual context in the show: In the previous episode, Tarantulas told Tigerhawk that he and the Tripredicus council weren't descended from Autobots or Decepticons, unlike most Maximals and Predacons. That was an odd enough tidbit of info to drop that it left the viewer assuming we'd soon learn just what those origins were. So, while Megatron calling Tarantulas "Unicron Spawn" in the following episode did indeed sound derogatory, it also sounded like the other shoe dropping. I'm not crazy about injecting Unicron into the BW mythos in that way either, to me it actually takes more fanwank to say it was just a slur, because you'd have to just make something up to explain what Tarantulas and the Council's origins actually were.
I do agree that the Swarm reforming into the Vok doesn't work at all, but Forward seemed to actively negate DiTillio's original idea in The Agenda once it was clear that prehistoric Earth had The Ark on it, so I don't see where that's even much of an issue.
But it's great that so much of this is debatable. THE best thing about the show was that its references had just the right level of ambiguity that allowed it to be the future of Marvel or Sunbow continuity, whichever one prefers. Have Starscream's spark possess someone without explaining why he can do this like in "Starscream's Ghost" and "Ghost in the Machine" in Season 1, then have Season 2 establish that his spark was indestructible due to mutation like how absorbing the Underbase allowed him to linger on as a zombie in "Race With The Devil"? Perfect! No need to even pick a definite timeline for it to work. While fictional multiverses in general tend to splinter off into ever greater messes with older threads forgotten or occasionally wiped out "Crisis" style, this one show magically brought all of the greatest TF universes together to save the whole franchise in its darkest hour!
Then Beast Machines tried to undo that by making too many Sunbow references, which to me makes it even more despicable that Pat Lee for the amount of damage it could've inflicted -- but that's a separate issue from the toyline, so please do make that list in the near future will.
Soooo, getting back to the non-show toys, I was trying so hard to avoid any show characters that I forgot how much I loved Transmetal Terrorsaur, upgraded into a cross between G1 Thrust and Evangelion Unit-1. In my headcanon, as no doubt many others, he indeed got out of the magma in time to lead a splinter faction of most of the other non-show Pred toys, which then...failed to accomplish much.
So my revised top 5 would be both Spittors tied for #1, then TM Terrorsaur, Manterror, Jetstorm, and finally replace Cybershark and Powerpinch with Razorclaw (the Fiddler Crab, not the mean green Wolverine) for #5. Nice complexity for a basic, and unless he somehow gets the Masterpiece treatment, I doubt any other toy will ever be able to boast crab-tail-diaper-articulation.
I can understand what you're saying about the non-quint but quint allied but unless they have alt modes I don't think hasbro care (or weapon modes or can turn into a ramp)
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