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Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:16 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:Don't know, fans have been asking for it as soon as scans of the design made it to the net, with many consigning it to the "hasbro/takara will never do this" bin. Take a look at Kranas TFs they'll never make thread, and you'll find him mentioned a lot. Parts of the design was even recycled into the under-appreciated Animated Leader Class Megatron.

Anything is that Takara clearly made this Megatron to go along with their Star Convoy figure. So slapping a new head on it wouldn't have worked out given what they were wanting.

It is a love it or hate design though and is typical of the mecha designs for that era



This is the thing though. Fans of what? The animated series the design featured in? The long running comic book??
No, a Japan-only series of, basically, mini-comics. No personality. No new characterisation. Just "Super" Megatron. In that respect, due to the head sculpt alone, he is barely more recognisable as "Megatron" than the Machine Wars iteration.

What I meant by giving him a new head was, the figure never being released or acknowledged as a Megatron at all. Take the design, make it Orange/Red/Green/Blue/Whatever and have it feature in something of merit EG a new show.
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:22 am

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Easy, fans of the design who wanted it, look at all the comments about it in the Selects thread. It's very possible tonlove a design but not care/hate/not know the source material. Heck that's my relationship with the Gundam Seed stuff :lol: love some of the designs from the show but the show itself...no.
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby o.supreme » Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:32 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:This is the thing though. Fans of what? The animated series the design featured in? The long running comic book??
No, a Japan-only series of, basically, mini-comics. No personality. No new characterisation. Just "Super" Megatron.


That is an opinion, and you are entitled to it. However saying that any piece of Transformers fiction, no matter how short, and limited in distribution, is any less relevant than something else is a little harsh. Return of Convoy/Battlestars is (for lack of a better term), basically the 8th season of the original animated television series, only it was told through story pages instead of animation, due to budgetary reasons.

I really like the concept of how Megatron comes back. Not everyone does, granted...But I'm not sure how someone can look at this, and say there's no personality:

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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby AcademyofDrX » Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:46 am

o.supreme wrote:That is an opinion, and you are entitled to it. However saying that any piece of Transformers fiction, no matter how short, and limited in distribution, is any less relevant than something else is a little harsh.

Personally, I think this perspective is completely fair. I also think it misses the point about this particular figure: it's not popular in spite of how esoteric it is, but because of that. This is a collector item because it was uncollectible. As a collecting philosophy, especially for a popular character with dozens of other versions, that's fair.
But I think it's also fair to say this version doesn't actually add much to the character or offer as much value for many collectors.

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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:35 pm

Part of why I like Super Megatron is that I still remember that feeling of magic upon learning of it's existence. Like there was the whole secret history of G1 Transformers (which I thought ended with the show, basically) I just scratched the surface of.

It's not really possible to relate to now. Information and episodes are easy to find. But in the early internet it was just this hidden gem. This super obscure version of a favourite villain from my childhood.

And that's why I ultimately got it.

If I divorce Super Megatron for all that is he still just as "super"? If I'm looking at it objectively he does things I loath. I totally get the criticisms. But, it's true to the original design and that design is executed well. And the whole history is why I want it in the first place. Most of the time I get these things for the history behind them, not just because of a cool design.
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:57 pm

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o.supreme wrote:
I really like the concept of how Megatron comes back. Not everyone does, granted...But I'm not sure how someone can look at this, and say there's no personality:

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Downgrading Galvatron into a Megatron? Regardless of how the design looked, if this had happened in the show - to my favourite G1 character - I would have hated it, as a kid.

I don't equate visual identity with personality. Personality comes from dialogue, interactions etc Visually, Beast Wars Megatron is a just big purple dinosaur. Add the voice and audio nuance, he becomes so much more.

Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of the obscure. I often reference Machine Wars, Transtech, Car Robots etc and don't see why HasTak doesn't mine all that untapped potential in modern lines.

But, the problem I have with Super Megatron is one I've taken issue with before. There is this figure:

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Primitive Skateboarding Optimus Prime

It is a really good looking figure. Clearly it is a redeco (TR Powermaster Prime, who is himself a retool of CW Ultra Magnus). Which is the point. Seekers, Datsuns, Mini Vehicles etc All largely redecos, made into individual characters. PSOP and SM could/should have been also. Instead they will only ever be one of a multitude of variants for Prime and Megs, respectively. It is a waste of more unique designs.
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby AcademyofDrX » Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:09 pm

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Part of why I like Super Megatron is that I still remember that feeling of magic upon learning of it's existence. Like there was the whole secret history of G1 Transformers (which I thought ended with the show, basically) I just scratched the surface of.

It's not really possible to relate to now. Information and episodes are easy to find. But in the early internet it was just this hidden gem. This super obscure version of a favourite villain from my childhood.

You could write a book about how the internet transformed any fandom. Now episode summaries are a click away, but there was a time when the Japanese Headmaster series was barely known. You had to buy VHS bootlegs at a Comic-Con! Now you can just order DVD box sets, and get hardcover reprints of the manga from Viz. I'm forgetting the weird transition period, where the internet made things widely available but you couldn't make sense of anything. I remember reading the entire Marvel G1 comics series via scans someone had publicly posted.

In this context, I guess I can view Super Megatron as a celebration of that history rather than as a con or a pretender to the franchise. Not for me, but the fact that he's for anyone is a triumph.
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby o.supreme » Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:22 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote: Add the voice and audio nuance, he becomes so much more.


But printed pages have no voice, or audio nuance, that's where your imagination comes in. I assume you prefer UK Galvatron to the one form the Animated series? How do you bring him to life? How is what is printed more than just words, and pictures to YOU? When you read his words, is it Frank Welkers crazy voice in your head, or is it another voice?

Super Megatron was created to surpass both who the character was as Megatorn, and Galvatron, and it showed in his design, he is unique. He wasn't going backwards.

If you want an example of that, I'd look to Action Masters. How did Galvatron revert back to Megatron, one without the ability to Transform to boot. THAT is very much, going backwards.

The comparison with seekers and skateboarding prime don't make sense to me. People seem to love SG Megatron, but all it literally is, is a new paint job, and 3 new accessories. Super Megatron is quite literally probably the most extensive retool of a modern figure (with perhaps the exception of X Panse from SS Jetfire).

I mean, ultimately, if you don't like the character, that is fine, but there is a difference between simply not liking a character, and saying a toy is terrible simply because you don't like the character.
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

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Siege Megatron gets mentioned, but not Earthrise? Somehow, nobody ever seems to see that version of him. I thought it was at least as good as the Siege version, better in some ways because they didn't do the lazy "H" tank configuration. His treads actually line up and connect.

But those who say Megatron HAS to be a Walther P-38 may be constantly disappointed, because alas, they just don't DO realistic gun toys anymore. Even Legends Megatron has that ugly orange plug at the end of the barrel, so the intellectually challenged out there won't 'mistake' him for a real weapon.
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby AcademyofDrX » Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:37 pm

I really like Earthrise Megatron, especially with the accessories from the Centurion pack. It's definitely an improvement over Siege for my collection. I think a lot of people hate his head sculpt, but it looks accurate to me. I feel the same way about SS86 Kup though, too.
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

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o.supreme wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote: Add the voice and audio nuance, he becomes so much more.


But printed pages have no voice, or audio nuance, that's where your imagination comes in. I assume you prefer UK Galvatron to the one form the Animated series? How do you bring him to life? How is what is printed more than just words, and pictures to YOU? When you read his words, is it Frank Welkers crazy voice in your head, or is it another voice?


As I was writing that, I was trying to think how to properly phrase personality through printed dialogue. Settling on the vague "audio nuance".
Also no, Animated Galvatron all the way. I didn't even know the comics existed until within the last 20 years. Normally, depending on the context of the story, my inner Galvatron voice is either Nimoy or Welker. Typically, if the dialogue doesn't match either IE Latter IDWverse, it doesn't sound right.


o.supreme wrote:I mean, ultimately, if you don't like the character, that is fine, but there is a difference between simply not liking a character, and saying a toy is terrible simply because you don't like the character.


I'm not saying I don't like, or that it is terrible. Only that it should have been made into a new character, so the design can continue to live on in the series, not just a collector's footnote. Thundercracker [the character] was born from being a "blue Starscream". Skateboarding Prime could have been...

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This obscurity.

Super Megatron could have been "Sentinel Supreme", "Killmaster" etc in a New line.
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Tue Aug 17, 2021 2:47 pm

On Earthrise Megatron - I just can't get past his weird gun/sword accessory. It just ruins then entire thing for me.

Super is my main Megatron right now. But if it wasn't him, it'd be the 3rd party Hegemon. Scaled perfectly, is a gun, and has all the old accessories. Ironically his G1-ness made him out of place in a Classics collection when he first came out. Not any more.
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby william-james88 » Tue Aug 17, 2021 4:48 pm

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Gauntlet101010 wrote:On Earthrise Megatron - I just can't get past his weird gun/sword accessory. It just ruins then entire thing for me.


Same, plus they didn't fix the feet sticking out which look even more out of place. The deco is drab and I dislike the headsculpt.

Hence why I find the Netfkix version(s) superior
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby bacem » Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:07 am

Regarding earthrise megatron, compared to siege mold, is that siege at least declared from the start that it will be an alien vehicle, so even when some robot part sticks out, it still incorporated to the alien vibe. Earthrise alt mode, however, feels like a bit half assed attempt at earth tank mode. I feel like is some part were engineered better, it could earn a place on this list. For example:
-the feet. The fact that he is an earth tank makes the feet sticks out like sore tumb, and that could have been solved by giving him new feet and new hinge that allows that feet to swing 180° inside, filling the gap on the back of the tank, instead of relying on a partsforming square panel for that.
- the tank cannon and sword part should be designed to separate in two parts, sword and cannon. This should not be too hard either, as those two are actually two separate part to begin with, held together by glue and screw.
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby Sherlock Zero » Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:18 am

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I am pretty sure that I'm part of a minority, but I would have at least given both Transformers Legends versions of G1 Megatron an honorable mention. Maybe also give Rebirth Megatron the same treatment, even though I am 100% hoping that TakaraTomy will consider doing an updated version of Reverse Convoy/Rebirth Megatron.

Then again, I am not a fan of the post-G1 (This is meant to look like) Megatron figures. They always tend to feel a bit... off... whenever I manage to see them in person.
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Wed Aug 18, 2021 4:12 am

I like the idea of Rebirth Megatron, but he's clearly not a G1 styled Megatron.

I'd love an update of him too. It's a great idea.
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby AcademyofDrX » Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:42 am

Feet sticking out of the alt mode is a running theme in the Siege-to-Earthrise retools. I'm sure they could have done better if they'd engineered for a traditional tank from the start, but it's far from a deal breaker for me. At the risk of being too basic and rehashing previous complaints, I think the ER tank is a much better vehicle than anything Super Megatron turns into.

Earthrise Megatron is far from perfect, but he's the definitive G1 Megatron in my collection, and I imagine he'll remain that way for the foreseeable future. There are many other Siege and Earthrise figures that need corrections before him.
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Postby Sherlock Zero » Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:09 pm

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Gauntlet101010 wrote:I like the idea of Rebirth Megatron, but he's clearly not a G1 styled Megatron.

I'd love an update of him too. It's a great idea.


Actually, he is G1 Megatron after his spark took possession of Reverse Convoy's body. Which had the "How did he become a spark?" not be answered until TakaraTomy's Generations Selects manga. With the Double Spy-like feature being new, since the figure itself was retooled from the original G2 Megatron figure.

The only reason I cannot go beyond it being an "honorable mention" is because the figure looks dated when it is compared to the other figures in that line. But even then... If they do make an updated version, I will hope they don't disappoint you. Or decide to make it a MP figure just for their own reasons. :CON:
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:23 pm

Fenrir Zero wrote:
Gauntlet101010 wrote:I like the idea of Rebirth Megatron, but he's clearly not a G1 styled Megatron.

I'd love an update of him too. It's a great idea.


Actually, he is G1 Megatron after his spark took possession of Reverse Convoy's body. Which had the "How did he become a spark?" not be answered until TakaraTomy's Generations Selects manga. With the Double Spy-like feature being new, since the figure itself was retooled from the original G2 Megatron figure.

He may be G1 Megatron but he just isn't styled like G1 Megatron.

Meaning he doesn't look like G1 Megatron. He's not silver with red accents with a big, black, fusion cannon.

G1 is a particular era. Super Megatron is a super obscure part of the era very late in the game, but he is a part of it. Which is why, I expect, he squeaks by.
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby william-james88 » Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:36 pm

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Gauntlet101010 wrote:
Fenrir Zero wrote:
Gauntlet101010 wrote:I like the idea of Rebirth Megatron, but he's clearly not a G1 styled Megatron.

I'd love an update of him too. It's a great idea.


Actually, he is G1 Megatron after his spark took possession of Reverse Convoy's body. Which had the "How did he become a spark?" not be answered until TakaraTomy's Generations Selects manga. With the Double Spy-like feature being new, since the figure itself was retooled from the original G2 Megatron figure.

He may be G1 Megatron but he just isn't styled like G1 Megatron.

Meaning he doesn't look like G1 Megatron. He's not silver with red accents with a big, black, fusion cannon.

G1 is a particular era. Super Megatron is a super obscure part of the era very late in the game, but he is a part of it. Which is why, I expect, he squeaks by.


Plus Super Megatron has the hallmarks of G1 Megatron. You can tell he is the same guy just beefed up.
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I don't think Super Megatron should count either. Despite being ironically from G1, it's not THE "G1" Megatron.

Heck, many iterations of Cyberverse Megatron could be a better pick, like the excellent deluxe, for being more "on topic".

Regardless, I'm just waiting for Japan Post to stop being asses and allow EMS to ship back to Canada so that I can get Super Megatron at a normal price. That Megs is one of the more BAD-ASS Megatrons ever!
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby Sherlock Zero » Wed Aug 18, 2021 6:33 pm

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Gauntlet101010 wrote:He may be G1 Megatron but he just isn't styled like G1 Megatron.

Meaning he doesn't look like G1 Megatron. He's not silver with red accents with a big, black, fusion cannon.

G1 is a particular era. Super Megatron is a super obscure part of the era very late in the game, but he is a part of it. Which is why, I expect, he squeaks by.


Sorry if I sound like I am some type of noob, but I am far from being one. I have been studying the Japanese G1 continuity (aka "G1 World") since 2011. So stuff like which Super Megatron is more obscure would have me say it is the one from The Battlestars. Before I find myself rambling on about his other forms.

And if we are going to be technical, I would have replaced "United" Megatron with Legends* "LG13" Megatron. The former sports something that looks like wings, which is a feature G1 Megatron's first (of many) form(s) did not have. Where as the latter has everything you claim a proper G1 Megatron needs to be part of this list.

(*: Even though his fiction says that it is a shell that houses his Action Master form. :lol:)
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby Sherlock Zero » Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:16 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:This is the thing though. Fans of what? The animated series the design featured in? The long running comic book??
No, a Japan-only series of, basically, mini-comics. No personality. No new characterisation. Just "Super" Megatron. In that respect, due to the head sculpt alone, he is barely more recognisable as "Megatron" than the Machine Wars iteration.

What I meant by giving him a new head was, the figure never being released or acknowledged as a Megatron at all. Take the design, make it Orange/Red/Green/Blue/Whatever and have it feature in something of merit EG a new show.


I totally understand how annoying TakaraTomy's continuation of their Generation One fiction can be. But I feel that it is slightly better than most of their animated stuff. I mean there are times they made Daniel look like a self-entitled toxic fan! :lol:

Plus the fiction behind the current Super/Ultra Megatron was also not my favorite. It pre-dates The Battlestars, which is fine as it is one example where their G1 fiction does not have an anime or manga tie-in, but it never really does much beyond promoting said figures.

But I will also say that I once encountered a vintage G1 collector who had publicly snubbed me when I noted that TakaraTomy had continued the G1 Headmasters line in Legends. I have my guesses why, but he continued to snub me after he made that claim.
I'm on break. PM me when there is official news involving a TakaraTomy update on Super Convoy. Or if you have news on the upcoming Transformers RPG.
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby Ultra Markus » Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:24 pm

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why no love for kingdom core megatron
i think the robot mode was pretty well done :(
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Re: Top 5 Best G1 Styled Megatron Transformers Toys

Postby Emerje » Thu Aug 19, 2021 1:37 am

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Ultra Markus wrote:why no love for kingdom core megatron
i think the robot mode was pretty well done :(

For me I hate his backpack, it's too big for his size. I really dislike his weird shoulder pads, they get in the way of his shoulders and don't make the tank look any better. And I can't stand his tank mode gun, looks dumb with the tiny and short handgun on the front, should have been his canon off the front and the hand gun just plugged into the top of the turret.

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