frogbat wrote: He is as great as he is flawed.
TK415 wrote:If it were 1984, and you could choose any Megatron toy from 1984-today, to be the toy and to be in the cartoon/comic, what alt mode would you choose for Megatron?
TK415 wrote:Great list WJ. Good choices. RID Megatron robot mode is incredible. Thanks for the list.
WJ, How could WFC Megatron not make your list!!!!!!!!??????? But for real, what was he lacking, I did see that he made honourable mentions.
Tyrannacon wrote:William, just out of curiosity with your list, but why didn't the Combiner Wars Leader G1 Deco of Megatron come in as one of the top five? Too new to be included in the numbered results or so?
KennethAkfaer wrote:Tyrannacon wrote:William, just out of curiosity with your list, but why didn't the Combiner Wars Leader G1 Deco of Megatron come in as one of the top five? Too new to be included in the numbered results or so?
I like the CW Leader Megatron as well, but he has a simple articulation + not easy to pose... Hope William would feel the same...
The Cloud Megatron is a nice tank as well, a top X to me
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KennethAkfaer wrote:Tyrannacon wrote:William, just out of curiosity with your list, but why didn't the Combiner Wars Leader G1 Deco of Megatron come in as one of the top five? Too new to be included in the numbered results or so?
I like the CW Leader Megatron as well, but he has a simple articulation + not easy to pose... Hope William would feel the same...
william-james88 wrote:Seriously, I remember people really scared when hasbro announced they would be simplifying toys for future lines and yet the main toy I feel we can most see this goal achieved in is Leader Megatron.
KennethAkfaer wrote:william-james88 wrote:Seriously, I remember people really scared when hasbro announced they would be simplifying toys for future lines and yet the main toy I feel we can most see this goal achieved in is Leader Megatron.
Seriously, I was one of them
According to your avatar, please list BotCon 16 Megatron
william-james88 wrote:I hope you dont take anything I say personally Tyrannacon, I just wanted to answer your question in all honesty. I do still like this toy as I do own it and I dont plan on selling it. But I cant call it the best Mgatron toy, not when there are others out there. He will however resurface in another Best of List though. I give credit where credit is due and there is one part of that toy that is superior to every other Megatron toy ever (his head )
Kurona wrote:Also should you really put 'G1 style alt mode' on there? It... kinda feels like cheating. It's not an actual objective flaw, it's purely up to preference especially when the fanbase seems really split on whether they like Megatron being a gun or not.
Also, while scaling with normal CHUG figures would be lovely, Leader Megatron still scales with quite a few guys. Leader Seekers and Soundwave for instance for a lovely Season 1 display + maybe Devastator, and a lot of people are using him as their Masterpiece stand-in.
I like the list as is--not that it matters. CW Meg's is good, but not Henkei, and WFC has never been one of my favorites. It's boring to me. The new paint job on the nemesis version, whatever the official name might be, is awesome, but this is about non-exclusives, right?
I think CW Megatron beats a lot of the ones on this list. The head sculpt alone is incredible.
A headsculpt is not enough though.
I think CW Megs is a great, but more for looks than as a toy. I find bot mode to leave a little to be desired. I had a hard time posing him the way I wanted.
I think CW Megatron knocks out Classics or RID Megatron. Head sculpt, rotating turret/upper tank, fun non-contortionist transformation (boo Classics mold), working treads - these are all things that raise this mold up to the top 5.
United gun Megs and RID Dragon Megs certainly belong there.
I agree that cw megs shouldn't be on the list due to having a lackluster bot mode - even Thew agrees with that
he always seems to miss the mark in a way:
The G2 is super clunky,
armada too,
the cybertron one is a big WTF with mandibles from hell,
the animated leader has terrible leg ratchets which limit him greatly (as well as a rather cheap partforming transformation for vehicle mode),
the classics toy has such odd colors with an awkward right fist,
the MP did not update things properly,
his only decent movie toy is too small and lacking in deco,
his Prime toy is a literal mess in vehicle mode and no one ever got the right deco on him in voyager class, and on and on.
william-james88 wrote:Kurona wrote:Also should you really put 'G1 style alt mode' on there? It... kinda feels like cheating. It's not an actual objective flaw, it's purely up to preference especially when the fanbase seems really split on whether they like Megatron being a gun or not.
Also, while scaling with normal CHUG figures would be lovely, Leader Megatron still scales with quite a few guys. Leader Seekers and Soundwave for instance for a lovely Season 1 display + maybe Devastator, and a lot of people are using him as their Masterpiece stand-in.
Any scale starts falling apart when you bring in an autobot for them to fight.
william-james88 wrote:TK415 wrote:Great list WJ. Good choices. RID Megatron robot mode is incredible. Thanks for the list.
WJ, How could WFC Megatron not make your list!!!!!!!!??????? But for real, what was he lacking, I did see that he made honourable mentions.
And I thank you for your list too, it was awesome Man I am so happy people are writing their lists now, its what I was going for all along. I was a new collector once and I wanted to know what people thought of past toys, but there wasn't much out there. But now, if someone is curious, they can find this discussion and all your lists and get an idea of what is out tehre in terms of good toys. Like WFC Megatron. Yeah, he wasn't on my top 5 but he is top 10 for sure and me not having him on my list gave me a chance to read your point of view. And it will give a chance for others to read yours as well. And you have a done a much better job at saying why he is awesome than I would ever have simply because this toy speaks to you more than it does me.
Its a great toy, hence why it was part of the discussion. But in the end, when I had to make a list that summarized all that was great about Megatron toys of the past, I found WFC Megatron a bit redundant. I knew RID Megatron would be on it for sure, that is an amazing toy. I knew Animated would be there too because of how its a totally new take in every way and yet screams megatron (literally ) unlike most other toys out there. And I knew the United/Henkei would be as well for how much its really the main voyager Megs out there (so far), and a great toy regardless. But beyond that, it was hard. I wanted to include a Beast Megatron to bring that era into the fold and then I was a bit torn. There was Unicron Trilogy (Energon and Armada specifically), Prime (he didnt get many mentions from the staff though), the movies (if that DOTM voyage was a leader he would have been in for sure) and all his other G1 style toys out there. The original toy was metionned a lot and I thought that was a perfect way to round off the top 5, especially since I truly feel it is the best toy from that original line up, definitely has the best tansformation. And man, you get so much bang for your buck with the G1 toy with all its accessoies and how the toy can interact with them in a dual purpose way.
WFC came up, and while I love him, I didnt feel he added as much tothe legacy as other toys. And he was small, that was a big problem. He's another tank megatron, another deluxe, another G1 style robot mode, with partforming once again. He's not even the first or second cybertronian tank megatron and the last one was far more imposing. Plus, and this is just me, but I dont like his feet. I don think those giant covers as heals look good, plus they have those little side flaps that dont add to anything. The arms have very limited articulation with an odd double jointed elbow that leaves a hole under his bicep. And I find that clamshell back piece odd too. It feels random whenever I transform him. I dont like it's look in tank mode, it looks like extraneous kibble.
So yeah, a good toy but it doesnt offer up much for Megatron, nor does it feel like a definitive or original take on the character and lack both intimidation and articulation. This is all just my personal opinion, I still think he is more than worth the mention and I am extreamly happy you gave such a nice write up on him
william-james88 wrote:TK415 wrote:Great list WJ. Good choices. RID Megatron robot mode is incredible. Thanks for the list.
WJ, How could WFC Megatron not make your list!!!!!!!!??????? But for real, what was he lacking, I did see that he made honourable mentions.
People can see what is out there in terms of good toys. Like WFC Megatron. Yeah, he wasn't on my top 5 but he is top 10 for sure…
Its a great toy, hence why it was part of the discussion…
…while I love him…
So yeah, a good toy
william-james88 wrote:And you have a done a much better job at saying why he is awesome than I would ever have simply because this toy speaks to you more than it does me.
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