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william-james88 wrote:

God Sunstreaker wrote:Just thinking of that terrible MP backpack just makes me disagree with this "official seibertron.com" list even more. Oh, why siebertron.com why?

Because the MP is better

But I do welcome the discussion. Price/"what you get" both the ER and MP are pretty close, but in the end the MP gives you more for more (unlike say, the MP 11 Seeker mold or MP Bee version 3 and even Shockwave to an extent).

Ah, Shockwave. If his knees bent at least 90 degrees I'd say he was pretty good for what he is (granted it's tricky to make a bad looking Shockwave toy as his design is just fundamentally great) but 60 degree knees on an MP is just pants.

Oh yes, Sunstreaker! I will say I kinda wish they'd made the car back swapping gimmick by just swapping out parts rather than having the whole thing transform. Like, you'd have a backpack for the "Cosmo Countach" and one for the regular car- neither would need removing or partsforming for regular transformation from car to robot and back, but you'd swap them out if you wanted to change the look. It'd have made engineering the figure much easier, would have reduced the backpack messiness and would have (probably) made the figure more affordable too. I also don't much care for the grey face instead of silver, but that's more me disliking the overly toony look of modern MPs rather than an objective criticism.

I can't really comment on the lists as I only have Universe 2008 Sunstreaker and Binaltech Asterix (with its yummy metal), but I can comment how they both serve different "needs". The first is a true toy, while the other is more "collector-grade" as it were with the materials, licensing and its complexity, kinda like Masterpieces now.

No offense, but I'm staying away from the Masterpieces as they're too complex to be fun for me. Not that they're bad, they're just not for me. Binaltech is pretty much my limit.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Pretty much standard fare, really: Original, update to second update is pretty much the bar now. Redecos and Masterpiece are bonuses pretty much, so he's above par unlike, say, Skids.

With legacy, there are at least as many Skids toys out there for a list, if not more, since unlike Sunstreaker Skids is present in Bayverse.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:No offense, but I'm staying away from the Masterpieces as they're too complex to be fun for me. Not that they're bad, they're just not for me. Binaltech is pretty much my limit.

Wheeljack, Sideswipe and the first Bumblebee hit a really nice happy medium. By the way, I've been meaning to do a top 5 Wheeljack but unlike other G1 characters, his name changes across different versions and his name is then used for unrelated characters. So he's not as clear cut. Granted, aside from Downshift none would make the top 5, but still I wouldn't want the discussion turning into nomenclature arguments rather than just discussing the toys themselves.

william-james88 wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Pretty much standard fare, really: Original, update to second update is pretty much the bar now. Redecos and Masterpiece are bonuses pretty much, so he's above par unlike, say, Skids.

With legacy, there are at least as many Skids toys out there for a list, if not more, since unlike Sunstreaker Skids is present in Bayverse.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:No offense, but I'm staying away from the Masterpieces as they're too complex to be fun for me. Not that they're bad, they're just not for me. Binaltech is pretty much my limit.

Wheeljack, Sideswipe and the first Bumblebee hit a really nice happy medium. By the way, I've been meaning to do a top 5 Wheeljack but unlike other G1 characters, his name changes across different versions and his name is then used for unrelated characters. So he's not as clear cut. Granted, aide from Downshift none would make the top 5, but still I wouldn't want the discussion turning into nomenclature arguments rather than just discussing the toys themselves.

If you include Binaltech WJ or that rubbish Einstein thing, we riot.

primalxconvoy wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Pretty much standard fare, really: Original, update to second update is pretty much the bar now. Redecos and Masterpiece are bonuses pretty much, so he's above par unlike, say, Skids.

With legacy, there are at least as many Skids toys out there for a list, if not more, since unlike Sunstreaker Skids is present in Bayverse.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:No offense, but I'm staying away from the Masterpieces as they're too complex to be fun for me. Not that they're bad, they're just not for me. Binaltech is pretty much my limit.

Wheeljack, Sideswipe and the first Bumblebee hit a really nice happy medium. By the way, I've been meaning to do a top 5 Wheeljack but unlike other G1 characters, his name changes across different versions and his name is then used for unrelated characters. So he's not as clear cut. Granted, aide from Downshift none would make the top 5, but still I wouldn't want the discussion turning into nomenclature arguments rather than just discussing the toys themselves.

If you include Binaltech WJ or that rubbish Einstein thing, we riot.

Wheeljack is an interesting case of cross-continuity namesakes and homages that are named differently. And really, the Armada, Energon and Prime ones aren't (mad) scientists or inventors, which is the G1's main character trait.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Pretty much standard fare, really: Original, update to second update is pretty much the bar now. Redecos and Masterpiece are bonuses pretty much, so he's above par unlike, say, Skids.

With legacy, there are at least as many Skids toys out there for a list, if not more, since unlike Sunstreaker Skids is present in Bayverse.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:No offense, but I'm staying away from the Masterpieces as they're too complex to be fun for me. Not that they're bad, they're just not for me. Binaltech is pretty much my limit.

Wheeljack, Sideswipe and the first Bumblebee hit a really nice happy medium. By the way, I've been meaning to do a top 5 Wheeljack but unlike other G1 characters, his name changes across different versions and his name is then used for unrelated characters. So he's not as clear cut. Granted, aide from Downshift none would make the top 5, but still I wouldn't want the discussion turning into nomenclature arguments rather than just discussing the toys themselves.

If you include Binaltech WJ or that rubbish Einstein thing, we riot.

Wheeljack is an interesting case of cross-continuity namesakes and homages that are named differently. And really, the Armada, Energon and Prime ones aren't (mad) scientists or inventors, which is the G1's main character trait.

Neither is Prime Wheeljack but he'd definitely be included in a top 5 list. He'd probably even be top 3.

And honestly, I dont think Earthrise is top 5, not a fan of that toy. And the combiner wars one was bad. Poor wheeljack, he hasnt had great updates in the gen line.

william-james88 wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Pretty much standard fare, really: Original, update to second update is pretty much the bar now. Redecos and Masterpiece are bonuses pretty much, so he's above par unlike, say, Skids.

With legacy, there are at least as many Skids toys out there for a list, if not more, since unlike Sunstreaker Skids is present in Bayverse.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:No offense, but I'm staying away from the Masterpieces as they're too complex to be fun for me. Not that they're bad, they're just not for me. Binaltech is pretty much my limit.

Wheeljack, Sideswipe and the first Bumblebee hit a really nice happy medium. By the way, I've been meaning to do a top 5 Wheeljack but unlike other G1 characters, his name changes across different versions and his name is then used for unrelated characters. So he's not as clear cut. Granted, aide from Downshift none would make the top 5, but still I wouldn't want the discussion turning into nomenclature arguments rather than just discussing the toys themselves.

If you include Binaltech WJ or that rubbish Einstein thing, we riot.

Wheeljack is an interesting case of cross-continuity namesakes and homages that are named differently. And really, the Armada, Energon and Prime ones aren't (mad) scientists or inventors, which is the G1's main character trait.

Neither is Prime Wheeljack but he'd definitely be included in a top 5 list. He'd probably even be top 3.

And honestly, I dont think Earthrise is top 5, not a fan of that toy. And the combiner wars one was bad. Poor wheeljack, he hasnt had great updates in the gen line.

The Earthrise version is the best CHUG iteration to date.

Looking over this list, and looking at my collection, I only have 2 Sunstreakers: Earthrise and CW. Sad part is, I am not a huge fan of either.

CW was a cop out repaint, but has the far nicer head sculpt for sure. And a much better yellow color and consistency.

ER has the better bot mode and actual transformation and bot mode qualities, but the colors kill him, as does the fact that his 2 Selects repaints far and away were better than him. That to me hurts worst of all, his repaints looking that much better than he does.

Outside of that, he really doesn't even have a chance does he? Has he even made it to a cartoon outside a mention but no onscreen appearance in Kingdom since G1? At least the early IDW years made him interesting (and make me sad we didn't get him in Titans Return), and later years even continued to help give him SOME fiction