Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
-Kanrabat- wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:This attitude is why we have four crappy transformers movies from Bay. People settling for the cheap crap they do get, instead of holding out for quality product they could get.
And this attitude is what put the Transformers brand on the map. You bays haters just can't comprehend that the Bay movies basically SAVED the TF brand. I bet it was the same story back at the time of Beast Wars. Harddcore Geewunners kept whining about change and how the modern TFs looked nothing like the good old days. Meanwhile, the average person buy TFs aplenty, keeping the brand relevant. That way, Geewuners could get their Classics and Masterpeices.
Yet, Geewuners keep whining and whining and whining, never satisfied. There is nothing wrong about being a Geewuner (or Classiker). It's when you guys keep trashing the TF LIFELINE that piss me off.
The movie line and the cartoon line IS WHAT KEEP THE TF BRAND AFLOAT. Whithout them, no classics, no MPs, no G1 reissues. Why is it so hard to understand? So, have a bit more respect toward the other TF lines. You have all the right to not like them. But don't call them "trash". When you do, you are spitting on the very brand you love.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Ironhidensh wrote:This attitude is why we have four crappy transformers movies from Bay. People settling for the cheap crap they do get, instead of holding out for quality product they could get.
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
Ironhidensh wrote:The bay movies did not save the line. Transformers was doing just fine at the time. In fact, the movies were only made because the line was strong.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
william-james88 wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:This attitude is why we have four crappy transformers movies from Bay. People settling for the cheap crap they do get, instead of holding out for quality product they could get.
So is it just the movie molds that you dont feel should be used for classic updates to character?
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Ironhidensh wrote:The movie designs are such a radical departure from everything else, they only work as their own thing. There are a few good, and even a couple of great movie toys, but even they don't work as anything else.
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
Ironhidensh wrote:william-james88 wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:This attitude is why we have four crappy transformers movies from Bay. People settling for the cheap crap they do get, instead of holding out for quality product they could get.
So is it just the movie molds that you dont feel should be used for classic updates to character?
Pretty much, yeah. The movie designs are such a radical departure from everything else, they only work as their own thing. There are a few good, and even a couple of great movie toys, but even they don't work as anything else.
megatronus wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:The bay movies did not save the line. Transformers was doing just fine at the time. In fact, the movies were only made because the line was strong.
Strong is a relative term. Looking at where the brand is now compared to where it was in 2007, I would say this statement of yours is qualitatively false, or, at the very least, questionable.
william-james88 wrote:megatronus wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:The bay movies did not save the line. Transformers was doing just fine at the time. In fact, the movies were only made because the line was strong.
Strong is a relative term. Looking at where the brand is now compared to where it was in 2007, I would say this statement of yours is qualitatively false, or, at the very least, questionable.
Yup, it's qualitatively false as this graph demonstrates:
And to add to what some people are saying, there was another time when the brand was about to die, the early 90s. Hasbro reinvented the whole line with a totally new style that older fans instantly rejected, Beast Wars. However, that gamble totally worked for Hasbro and the brand survived with a bunch of new fans, myself included. People hating on the movies and what it brings to the brand is no different than the whole Trukk not Munkee thing. Regardless of the story quality of the movies, they propelled the brand to new heights of conceivable popularity giving Hasbro the leeway to do things that would never fly before. Like puttimg their efforts a toy line not linked to show or film, more widely distributed g1 reissues (including toys that were never ever reissued before), having a whole year of combiners and a yearly release of titan class figures.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Ironhidensh wrote:william-james88 wrote:[
So is it just the movie molds that you dont feel should be used for classic updates to character?
Pretty much, yeah. The movie designs are such a radical departure from everything else, they only work as their own thing. There are a few good, and even a couple of great movie toys, but even they don't work as anything else.
Amelie wrote:
To me it seems that we have the reverse philosophy when it comes to the movie based characters. Transformers G1 was about robots that turned into cars whereas the movie line is more cars that turn into robots.
Ironhidensh wrote:I never said things don't sell better after the movies. The young man said that the Bay movies saved the brand. I'm saying it didn't. It wasn't in danger of death. For its t8me, it was strong. That is why Transformers was made before GI Joe, which they really screwed up on by not honoring what came before.
RAR wrote:
Regarding that graph - please be aware that the increase in "Other" types of Transformers Merchandise like Videogames and T-shirts has skewed that graph high, a more useful graph would be one that shows toys sales alone.
They did say at their share holder conference though that the numbers are good on Merchandise and not as good as they hoped on AGE of Extinction - that underperformed.
I hope that they realise that wasn't due to a lack of inteest in the brand but due to the perfect storm provided by a combinations of
Increased prices
Decreased product quality
Poor distribution.
Distribution issues is also one of the main reason Transformers Prime under performed too - that and the show was less visible stuck on The Hub.
This can be partially demonstrated by the relative sales of Transformers Animated in places the cartoon was visible it sold well - in places it wasn't it didn't. though some places like Australia just reacted poorly to the show even when they did see it.
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Ironhidensh wrote:Believe it or not, I'm happy they work for you, but all I can see is stuff from a movie I've come to loathe.
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