kurthy wrote:And Kurona, would you say that CW Sky Lynx is a better toy for the character than the original in any way, shape, or form?
Kurona wrote:(...)
If you're annoyed with CW Sky Lynx for not being an update of the original, that's not an actual criticism of the toy. That's just a criticism with Hasbro's decision to not update him before making a version that can combine.
primalxconvoy wrote:Er, no.
The classics Cheetor mold is universally hated and is most certainly NOT better than the original. Considering the masterpiece version is almost out, this was a poor choice for inclusion.
CW Skylinx also not correct. Apart from the fact that it no longer separates into his four different alt modes, the rear legs are too floppy to properly support the beast mode, while the gestalt mode's (shoulders?) are also a floppy mess.
Did the writer of this article ever see the reviews for these two toys, or even bother to read most of the opinions at this site or other sites?
Not the best article. Please improve it.
-Kanrabat- wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:Er, no.
The classics Cheetor mold is universally hated and is most certainly NOT better than the original. Considering the masterpiece version is almost out, this was a poor choice for inclusion.
CW Skylinx also not correct. Apart from the fact that it no longer separates into his four different alt modes, the rear legs are too floppy to properly support the beast mode, while the gestalt mode's (shoulders?) are also a floppy mess.
Did the writer of this article ever see the reviews for these two toys, or even bother to read most of the opinions at this site or other sites?
Not the best article. Please improve it.
Man, are you a funny little confused one!
Please read the title of the article and the WHOLE article again. There's a little detail you have missed.
primalxconvoy wrote:Er, no.
The classics Cheetor mold is universally hated and is most certainly NOT better than the original. Considering the masterpiece version is almost out, this was a poor choice for inclusion.
CW Skylinx also not correct. Apart from the fact that it no longer separates into his four different alt modes, the rear legs are too floppy to properly support the beast mode, while the gestalt mode's (shoulders?) are also a floppy mess.
Did the writer of this article ever see the reviews for these two toys, or even bother to read most of the opinions at this site or other sites?
Not the best article. Please improve it.
TheForgottenTaxi wrote:I agree with most of this list but... am I the only fan who actually liked MP-5?
Look, I get it, he's got spindly legs. His fusion canon is too heavy for his arm. Fine.
But I actually kinda enjoy his transformation, his gun mode is absolutely glorious, and if you think he doesn't look better in robot mode than Trigger Crotch, you're nuts.
TheForgottenTaxi wrote:But I actually kinda enjoy his transformation, his gun mode is absolutely glorious, and if you think he doesn't look better in robot mode than Trigger Crotch, you're nuts.
Black Hat wrote:However, there is one example of "original toy better than update" you missed- Titanium Soundwave vs G1 Soundwave. Sure, the Titanium line is easy pickings in general, but Soundwave really takes the cake- most of the others at least LOOK good, but Soundwave looks like he's wearing a nappy, has really, really weird torso proportions, collapses into MidgetWave thanks to his telescoping legs, and generally sucks all round. Meanwhile the original toy is one of the best of G1 with surprisingly good articulation, a cool gimmick and a really cool look.
frogbat wrote:Grimlock.. don't have classics version but I do have the Mp and WFC updates and well the original toy still somehow manages to eclipse them for me at least.
william-james88 wrote:Black Hat wrote:However, there is one example of "original toy better than update" you missed- Titanium Soundwave vs G1 Soundwave. Sure, the Titanium line is easy pickings in general, but Soundwave really takes the cake- most of the others at least LOOK good, but Soundwave looks like he's wearing a nappy, has really, really weird torso proportions, collapses into MidgetWave thanks to his telescoping legs, and generally sucks all round. Meanwhile the original toy is one of the best of G1 with surprisingly good articulation, a cool gimmick and a really cool look.
Black Hat, we should write lists together, you have a great input everytime. I did indeed have a titanium on the list at first, it was Optimal Optimus. From a nice big toy, we get a small one with lame articulation and the lack of a Beast Mode (on a freaken Beast Wars character!). But then I saw that it didnt gel with the rest of the list. It didnt feel like Hasbro trying to update anything, just present characters in a different way. Kinda like World's Smallest TFs. They came after the G1 toys, but arent trying to better them, just present them differently. Thats how I feel about the Titanium line. Because or else, this whole list would be that line right? Like Fire Convoy and Optimal Optimus who are missing modes and Soundwave, which as you mentioned, doesnt hold a candle to the original. Even though they are legitimate updates, they dont feel to have the same intentions as the other ones on the list. At least to me.
Ones I realize I did miss out on would be G1 Double Dealer. I totally forgot about his Gen update, because of how forgetable it was. It wasnt bad, but it felt more opportunistic than anything and easy to ignore. An interesting one I just thought of now is G1 ravage and TR Ravage. There are better ravages out there than G1 ravage, but the TR is not one of them. Still, I dont know if it has the same impact when there are so many other good ravages out there, which came before.
Black Hat wrote:Thank you very much! I'd love to contribute to these lists, even if my actual TF knowledge isn't that broad.
Anyway, I see what you mean about discounting the Titanium line- I just felt that Soundwave was a particularly foul offender.
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Black Hat wrote:However, there is one example of "original toy better than update" you missed- Titanium Soundwave vs G1 Soundwave. Sure, the Titanium line is easy pickings in general, but Soundwave really takes the cake- most of the others at least LOOK good, but Soundwave looks like he's wearing a nappy, has really, really weird torso proportions, collapses into MidgetWave thanks to his telescoping legs, and generally sucks all round.
william-james88 wrote:And Kurona, I get what you mean about Skylynx, but the generations line is specifically about updating classic characters for better or worse. This was their big unveiling for skylynx, finally, and they knew that. And they chose to reintroduce him as a standard torso rather than the unique toy he should be. Prowl and company already had classics toys and even then they are all perfectly fine when compared to their originals. Nothing was taken away from them. Ironhide finally has a head All CW skylynx gives us is another Torso to play with but it doesnt give us a Classics skylynx for our classics collection, where we are still better off using the G1 toy for that representation. That is my main point.
Zeedust wrote:Black Hat wrote:However, there is one example of "original toy better than update" you missed- Titanium Soundwave vs G1 Soundwave. Sure, the Titanium line is easy pickings in general, but Soundwave really takes the cake- most of the others at least LOOK good, but Soundwave looks like he's wearing a nappy, has really, really weird torso proportions, collapses into MidgetWave thanks to his telescoping legs, and generally sucks all round.
He actually said in his honorable mentions that if he got into the Titaniums, there would be nothing else on the list.
Kurona wrote:The title of this list is "Top 5 Transformers Toys which are better than their Update", and going by that alone, it's simply unfair to say G1 Sky Lynx is 'better' than CW Sky Lynx just because the latter does something different.
Though I am kind of curious - following this same line of reasoning, do you not like Titans Return Alpha Trion? It's a rather good toy and an incredible design, but it does not accurately represent any version of Alpha Trion to date despite it being his first toy.
Black Hat wrote:This makes me think, a potentially good list could be "Top 5 Soundwave toys". Obviously the MP would be on there, but what others do you think should make it? I'm thinking the Cybertron toy (for being a legitimately awesome design in its own right whilst remaining instantly recognizable as Soundwave), Animated Soundwave (for the cool "beat box" car mode and GUITAR LASERBEAK) and Prime Soundwave (for being such a radical reinterpretation on Soundwave as a character, being a fun, deloightfully expressive and creepy toy, and looking an awful lot like Soundwave made sweet love to Evangelion Unit 01).
-Kanrabat- wrote:So, Will, you finally managed to have a DOTM HA Soundwave coming your way? Even if it's a KO, you'll get the feel of how awesome that mold is. Just you wait.
william-james88 wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:So, Will, you finally managed to have a DOTM HA Soundwave coming your way? Even if it's a KO, you'll get the feel of how awesome that mold is. Just you wait.
I'm getting the reissue with the more screen accurate deco, you can see him in this commercial: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... lip/37182/
william-james88 wrote:Also, question for Emerje, is the BM Tank Drone a better toy than Gen Tankor?
william-james88 wrote:Black Hat wrote:This makes me think, a potentially good list could be "Top 5 Soundwave toys". Obviously the MP would be on there, but what others do you think should make it? I'm thinking the Cybertron toy (for being a legitimately awesome design in its own right whilst remaining instantly recognizable as Soundwave), Animated Soundwave (for the cool "beat box" car mode and GUITAR LASERBEAK) and Prime Soundwave (for being such a radical reinterpretation on Soundwave as a character, being a fun, deloightfully expressive and creepy toy, and looking an awful lot like Soundwave made sweet love to Evangelion Unit 01).
Then guess what buddy, you just signed up for a top 5 Soundwaves list! I will send you a PM later so we can start getting it in order although you gave me a pretty good head start. Also, we might have to wait till I get to try out that Human Alliance Soundwave toy in the coming months, I hear he is really good. RID soundwave is coming out too, and I really dont know if TR soundwave stands a chance, compared to G1, when the MP would already be there. Its tough when the designs and features are so similar (I see the irony in that, Kurona). Do we just pick the ones that does it best and ignore the rest? I dont know.
But hey, as long as we can agree to leave FOC soundwave off the list, then we should be fine
primalxconvoy wrote:I suspect that those who are apologists for CW Skylynx don't own the re-released G1 version from Takara. It's sad that an old toy is simply better than the newer version. The CW version cannot "combe", ironically enough, into what he should, and/separate into his constituent parts. Heck, it can't even stand up straight.
The Japanese version, even though it might have better paint apps, failed due to the high price, as it was stupidly released, like Optimus, in a pointless gift set with other unwanted G1 characters that are already better in CHUG (except fit Ironhide and Ratchet, but who wants Ratchet out of first aid?).
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