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Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:10 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:whereas Bumblebee ended with Bee ditching his VW Bug altmode and scanning a mint-condition version of the 70s Camaro altmode that he would later have in a beat-up form at the beginning of the 2007 movie, in a blatant attempt to connect the Bumblebee movie to the 2007 movie.



Except, as we all know, BB started off as a VW Beetle in Bayformers '07 and Prime came to Earth in that movie. :BANG_HEAD:
Bumblebee was never a Beetle in the 07 movie.
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Postby Sabrblade » Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:12 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:whereas Bumblebee ended with Bee ditching his VW Bug altmode and scanning a mint-condition version of the 70s Camaro altmode that he would later have in a beat-up form at the beginning of the 2007 movie, in a blatant attempt to connect the Bumblebee movie to the 2007 movie.



Except, as we all know, BB started off as a VW Beetle in Bayformers '07 and Prime came to Earth in that movie. :BANG_HEAD:
Bumblebee was never a Beetle in the 07 movie.
And Prime's arrival on Earth in the '07 movie was never outright stated to be his first time visiting, just his first time meeting Sam.

If anything, Optimus coming to Earth in 1987 and then coming back to it in 2007 is no different from George Lucas changing his mind about Darth Vader murdering Anakin Skywalker in A New Hope to have Darth Vader be Anakin Skywalker in The Empire Strikes Back.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:31 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:whereas Bumblebee ended with Bee ditching his VW Bug altmode and scanning a mint-condition version of the 70s Camaro altmode that he would later have in a beat-up form at the beginning of the 2007 movie, in a blatant attempt to connect the Bumblebee movie to the 2007 movie.



Except, as we all know, BB started off as a VW Beetle in Bayformers '07 and Prime came to Earth in that movie. :BANG_HEAD:
Bumblebee was never a Beetle in the 07 movie.


Indeed. Misremembered the dealership scene. :oops: Wherein they poked fun at the VW beetle, next to BB. To be fair, it's probably been at least ten years since I sat through '07 or any other Bayformers really.

It's funny though. Because they went back and forth with BB as spin-off, prequel or reboot. Then said it was a reboot and now they are saying ROTB isn't. :???:
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:33 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:And Prime's arrival on Earth in the '07 movie was never outright stated to be his first time visiting, just his first time meeting Sam.

If anything, Optimus coming to Earth in 1987 and then coming back to it in 2007 is no different from George Lucas changing his mind about Darth Vader murdering Anakin Skywalker in A New Hope to have Darth Vader be Anakin Skywalker in The Empire Strikes Back.



Yet there is also Arcee...
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:35 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:And Prime's arrival on Earth in the '07 movie was never outright stated to be his first time visiting, just his first time meeting Sam.

If anything, Optimus coming to Earth in 1987 and then coming back to it in 2007 is no different from George Lucas changing his mind about Darth Vader murdering Anakin Skywalker in A New Hope to have Darth Vader be Anakin Skywalker in The Empire Strikes Back.



Yet there is also Arcee...
What about her? ROTF is set later, so in this movie she's neither split into three yet nor dead yet.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby griftimus prime » Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:47 pm

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really interesting how rc gets something that looks like a face and wheeljack does not
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Brokebot » Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:02 pm

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>:oP Speaking as a bonafide Geeewunner jerk, I'll go ahead and throw out my dumbass opinions:

I understand why updates to the characters have to be made. Mirage and Wheeljack would hardly be incognito flying down the highway as an F1 and Lancia Stratos. As for the robot modes, it would make no sense to expect all alien machine life to conform to a bipedal humanoid or quadrupedal body type. All these changes are perfectly logical and make total sense. Unfortunately, the designs they are coming up with deviate so far from the characters we came to love, they come off as looking like the designers didn't give a crap and couldn't be bothered with even a simple Google search. "**** the fans, I'm making what I want and I'll screw up any character I please."

Also, the movies have spiraled down the drain of contradictory nonsense that each movie is practically a soft reboot of the previous one. TLK was so damn idiotic I walked away feeling like we all had our intelligence insulted. The whole thing felt like it was put together by a focus group of kindergartners and they swapped out half the group every 10 minutes. That's where I had to walk away.

Much like Disney, Lucasfilm, Marvel, Star Trek, etc., all they seem to be doing is strip-mining the properties with an existing fan base and pumping out garbage with some kind of agenda assuming we'll go see it no matter how bad it gets.

Sorry, but they need my money more than I need their movies. I can spend my money elsewhere.

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:02 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:What about her? ROTF is set later, so in this movie she's neither split into three yet nor dead yet.



This is the whole point. There is no need for the mental gymnastics that comes with this not being a rebooted timeline, since BB. I don't think there is any fan of Prime's outright murderous incarnation in Bayformers, over any of the others. I can't think of anyone else, for that matter. That is better depicted in '07-TLK than anywhere else. The brand name is all that really matters. There isn't anything worth holding onto from the earlier filmd beyond that.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:15 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:whereas Bumblebee ended with Bee ditching his VW Bug altmode and scanning a mint-condition version of the 70s Camaro altmode that he would later have in a beat-up form at the beginning of the 2007 movie, in a blatant attempt to connect the Bumblebee movie to the 2007 movie.



Except, as we all know, BB started off as a VW Beetle in Bayformers '07 and Prime came to Earth in that movie. :BANG_HEAD:


By my count BB came to earth at least 3 times (WWII, 1987, and just prior to 2007)... I just state this to show that there is no logical continuity in these films.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby First-Aid » Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:39 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I don't think there is any fan of Prime's outright murderous incarnation in Bayformers, over any of the others.


I can potentially explain that actually. Prime has been fighting as a soldier for a long time. Even professional soldiers can lose themselves in the continuous violence of warfare. In addition, these statements are usually said in the heat of the moment. I never saw him as murderous but I did see him as a focused soldier out to accomplish something violent that, over the millenia, could be slowly wearing away at his psyche.
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Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...


Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:43 pm

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Dark of the Moon. The way he executes Sentinel (an unarmed prisoner) and Megatron is definitely murderous.

The way the Autobots rip off faces, spinal columns etc Yet the Cons don't really go that far onscreen. Yet are supposed to be the "bad guys".
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby First-Aid » Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:09 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Dark of the Moon. The way he executes Sentinel (an unarmed prisoner) and Megatron is definitely murderous.

The way the Autobots rip off faces, spinal columns etc Yet the Cons don't really go that far onscreen. Yet are supposed to be the "bad guys".


I don't think the Cons got much opportunity to do that, honestly. Though Megatron impaling Prime from behind, shoving his blade out his chest and then firing a cannon and blowing out his chest entirely qualifies. Imagine being in a battle, stabbing someone from behind with your bayonet and then, while still impaled, firing a 50 cal round into the wound.

Also consider what Megatron had ALREADY survived, he certainly could have felt extreme measures were needed.

Sentinel was nothing but rage, anger, and betrayal. I can't blame him for that at all. He betrayed him and killed his best friend in cold Energon, then he allied with his worst enemy and blew off everything they fought millenia for. Brutal? Yep. Revenge. Hell yes. Overkill? Yup. Heat of the moment? Absolutely.
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Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...


Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby SpaceEagle » Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:11 pm

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Even if it's not a true reboot, I'm perfectly fine with it ignoring AoE's story, and especially TLK's story. I can agree with Brokebot that I could feel my brain starting to become mush as more and more went on in TLK. AoE likewise make me subconsciously ask "...why" every 2 minutes.

At least the toys were good, woo. :lol:
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Fires_Of_Inferno » Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:30 pm

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You know, the fact that they haven't been shown to have robot modes in any of the promotional material (other than toys, but those HAVE to transform) is starting to make me think that the Maximals aren't really going to do much other than die in the movie. Like I'm positive Wheeljack is going to say a few lines and then die too because he hasn't really been shown much. But the Maximals I'm almost positive are going to just all die before the movie ends. I have no proof or anything, just a feeling.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:08 pm

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Honestly, it's not that much of a stretch to make this a reboot whilst simultaneously not being a reboot.

Following The Last Knight, Unicron emerges, whatever happens, he wins. Jump forward a few years later and there's a small group of Cybertronians resisting Unicron who decided to go all Terminator style and travel back in time to stop Unicron before he rises.

Unicron then sends a now fully corrupted Bayverse Optimus Prime (who you could argue has been steadily influenced by Unicron during his time on Earth, hence the murderous ways, and then pushed further by Quintessa) now known as Scourge and a bunch of other corrupted Cybertronians known as Terrorcons back in time to stop the Maximals.

It's pretty obvious by this stage Optimus Prime and Bumblebee have been popping on and off Earth for a fair while so it's quite common for them to take different alts. Robot mode is tied into the alt mode so when Wheeljack comes to Earth he scans Pablo-van and that alters his look. At some point between now and the previous movies, something bad happens to Arcee that sees her split into three, or some other easily explained bullshit.

At the end of Rise of the Beasts when all is said or done, we Star Trek it and a new Kelvin time line is established, thus a reboot that's not a reboot.

It's not that hard to imagine all this happening, but, I've seen how terribly written these movies are and none of this will occur and will once again establish that these movies are barely continuous.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 5:01 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:whereas Bumblebee ended with Bee ditching his VW Bug altmode and scanning a mint-condition version of the 70s Camaro altmode that he would later have in a beat-up form at the beginning of the 2007 movie, in a blatant attempt to connect the Bumblebee movie to the 2007 movie.



Except, as we all know, BB started off as a VW Beetle in Bayformers '07 and Prime came to Earth in that movie. :BANG_HEAD:
Bumblebee was never a Beetle in the 07 movie.


Indeed. Misremembered the dealership scene. :oops: Wherein they poked fun at the VW beetle, next to BB. To be fair, it's probably been at least ten years since I sat through '07 or any other Bayformers really.

It's funny though. Because they went back and forth with BB as spin-off, prequel or reboot. Then said it was a reboot and now they are saying ROTB isn't. :???:


You should read the article you posted, they didn't call it a reboot, that's just fan interpretation of generic corporate speak which was never even made official.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Apr 26, 2023 5:27 pm

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Burn wrote:Honestly, it's not that much of a stretch to make this a reboot whilst simultaneously not being a reboot.

Following The Last Knight, Unicron emerges, whatever happens, he wins. Jump forward a few years later and there's a small group of Cybertronians resisting Unicron who decided to go all Terminator style and travel back in time to stop Unicron before he rises.

Unicron then sends a now fully corrupted Bayverse Optimus Prime (who you could argue has been steadily influenced by Unicron during his time on Earth, hence the murderous ways, and then pushed further by Quintessa) now known as Scourge and a bunch of other corrupted Cybertronians known as Terrorcons back in time to stop the Maximals.

...

At the end of Rise of the Beasts when all is said or done, we Star Trek it and a new Kelvin time line is established, thus a reboot that's not a reboot.

It's not that hard to imagine all this happening, but, I've seen how terribly written these movies are and none of this will occur and will once again established that these movies are barely continuous.
That's basically just the plot of the Netflix Kingdom cartoon.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Wed Apr 26, 2023 5:30 pm

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Burn wrote:Honestly, it's not that much of a stretch to make this a reboot whilst simultaneously not being a reboot.

Following The Last Knight, Unicron emerges, whatever happens, he wins. Jump forward a few years later and there's a small group of Cybertronians resisting Unicron who decided to go all Terminator style and travel back in time to stop Unicron before he rises.

Unicron then sends a now fully corrupted Bayverse Optimus Prime (who you could argue has been steadily influenced by Unicron during his time on Earth, hence the murderous ways, and then pushed further by Quintessa) now known as Scourge and a bunch of other corrupted Cybertronians known as Terrorcons back in time to stop the Maximals.

...

At the end of Rise of the Beasts when all is said or done, we Star Trek it and a new Kelvin time line is established, thus a reboot that's not a reboot.

It's not that hard to imagine all this happening, but, I've seen how terribly written these movies are and none of this will occur and will once again established that these movies are barely continuous.
That's basically just the plot of the Netflix Kingdom cartoon.

Hence why I'm not expecting anything overly original, but just a rework of things that have already occurred in other media.
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Postby william-james88 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 6:33 pm

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Burn wrote:Honestly, it's not that much of a stretch to make this a reboot whilst simultaneously not being a reboot.

Following The Last Knight, Unicron emerges, whatever happens, he wins. Jump forward a few years later and there's a small group of Cybertronians resisting Unicron who decided to go all Terminator style and travel back in time to stop Unicron before he rises.

Unicron then sends a now fully corrupted Bayverse Optimus Prime (who you could argue has been steadily influenced by Unicron during his time on Earth, hence the murderous ways, and then pushed further by Quintessa) now known as Scourge and a bunch of other corrupted Cybertronians known as Terrorcons back in time to stop the Maximals.

...

At the end of Rise of the Beasts when all is said or done, we Star Trek it and a new Kelvin time line is established, thus a reboot that's not a reboot.

It's not that hard to imagine all this happening, but, I've seen how terribly written these movies are and none of this will occur and will once again established that these movies are barely continuous.
That's basically just the plot of the Netflix Kingdom cartoon.

Hence why I'm not expecting anything overly original, but just a rework of things that have already occurred in other media.


And I don't even think you'll get that.

The reality is they just give us one film at a time and if something works, they go with that, if it doesn't, they drop it. They keep connectivy with other films through themes and looks not to alienate anyone from the multiple billion dollar franchise but arent beholden to any storyline or continuity among films.

That is their way.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:25 am

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First-Aid wrote:Sentinel was nothing but rage, anger, and betrayal. I can't blame him for that at all. He betrayed him and killed his best friend in cold Energon,

Ironhide? You mean the guy who practically dropped off the face of the Earth after his death scene? The Autobot who didn't even get the brief moment of mourning that Jazz got? Not even during his actual death scene in front of his comrades? Optimus seemed to care about Ironhide as much as the film did...

But I suppose ruthless shotgun executions of begging, defeated opponents is the type of retribution that children watching these films should be learning an example from, what an icon.

They really should of made his killing of Sentinel framed more like self defense as it was portrayed in the adaptations of the film instead of blowing his brains out with a shotgun as it lingered on Sentinel's corpse and I'm saying this as someone who's mostly fine with murder Prime in other scenarios since at least he was killing in active combat against opponents who are resilient to wounds that would kill a human.

Still though maybe we should be having him be more clean and efficient like he was in Bumblebee where he was simply shooting Decepticons without going Mortal Kombat about it.
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New Rise of the Beasts Trailer Featuring More Characters and Other Surprises

Postby william-james88 » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:36 am

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Well, looks like the Rise of the Beasts film is leaving no surprises for the film, putting Unicron right at the centre of this new trailer as the main antagonist, rather than Scourge. We also finally have a look at Nightbird in action and the army of Scorponoks. There is a severe lack of Maximals in robot mode though. We also have a new poster to share with you of the whole team of good guys except for Wheeljack (who does have fins in the film).



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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby griftimus prime » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:41 am

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unicron is coming. thats it. no turning back . worst continuity in film of all time.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Ig89ninja » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:41 am

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I’m gonna just leave this here.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Nexus Knight » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:49 am

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So... Unicron is coming to Earth... but he is also Earth... and this isn't a reboot... ow my head.

Sidebar: This looks epic... other than likely continuity slipsadoodle (seriously, the Bay films were moneymakers and the my first exposure to Transformers, but let them go, pleeeeease), I'm hoping for big things.
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