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Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Ig89ninja » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:52 am

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Nexus Knight wrote:So... Unicron is coming to Earth... but he is also Earth... and this isn't a reboot... ow my head.

Sidebar: This looks epic... other than likely continuity slipsadoodle (seriously, the Bay films were moneymakers and the my first exposure to Transformers, but let them go, pleeeeease), I'm hoping for big things.

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:23 am

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Nexus Knight wrote:So... Unicron is coming to Earth... but he is also Earth... and this isn't a reboot... ow my head.

Sidebar: This looks epic... other than likely continuity slipsadoodle (seriously, the Bay films were moneymakers and the my first exposure to Transformers, but let them go, pleeeeease), I'm hoping for big things.


Could pull a TF:Prime where his essence was pulled into the earth or alternatively Unicron came from the future, potentially the same one that the rumored Scourge being Bayverse/2007-TLK Optimus leak which might or might not be true but considering leak after leak after leak has turned out to be true it's quite possible.


The most jarring question is how the hell can Earth face Unicron here and then pretend Transformers never showed up until 2007, a Planet-sized dude is kinda hard to cover up even for Sector 7.

This is of course unless Rise of the Beasts pulls an X-Men Days of Future Past to reset the timeline in a new direction effectively retconning 2007-TLK or at least branching out into a new timeline.


I think Paramount's going for a literal reboot sequel, aka they want their Energon cake and eat it too.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:30 am

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Spoiler: the end of the movie has Unicron getting sucked into the Earth. The sucking unfortunately takes all the Beast TFs with it and has an unexpected time warp in that he got sucked back to when earth was Pangaea.Also the sucking has an amnesiatic side effect on all humans and Transformers on earth. This why in TLK, Prime had no idea Earth was Unicron.

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Munkky » Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:41 am

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Unicron being in this movie makes me think they're doing a sort of "half-way" reboot-prequel that only acknowledges one or two past movies as canon and ignores everything else. Slasher movie franchises do this a lot, Halloween is notorious for it, being like a Choose Your Own Adventure book with the various timelines at this point, and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre does it too. It seems like Rise of the Beasts is at the very least ignoring The Last Knight, and possibly Age of Extinction too, which I don't mind too much.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby SpaceEagle » Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:45 am

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Trailer looked pretty cool, seems like it'll at least have some good action scenes. Kinda surprised they jumped to the biggest bad of them all with Unicron, though. I just hope it's executed decently enough. I'm very much okay with TLK being ignored, and hopefully AoE as well. :lol:
I'm not the biggest continuity nut anyway...

Also huh, I didn't notice Wheeljack does indeed get some head fins, seems like they're trying to marry the Cybertron scene with the later DotM Que look.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Immortal Starscream » Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:46 am

I don't know why people are that surprised. The phrase "Transformers Continuity" has almost always been an oxymoron.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby SpaceEagle » Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:50 am

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Immortal Starscream wrote:I don't know why people are that surprised. The phrase "Transformers Continuity" has almost always been an oxymoron.

I'd have thought the hydra that is the Japanese G1 "Continuity" would've made more people realise this, heh.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:10 am

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Everyone has their own view. But for me, until Car Robots/Rid there were basically only 2 continuities. The Marvel Comic, and Marvel/Sunbow animated series.

UK, & G2 comics were part of Marvel comics continuity.

All the Japanese series, Manga, as well as BW and BM could be tied to the original Sunbow series. It wasn't *perfect* but it made a heck of a lot more sense than the live action films.

Sure in the 21st century we have literally dozens of TF continuities now, but nobody is saying they Are all in the same universe. We acknowledge they are all different.

It's just certain producers at Paramount trying to say all the live action films take place in the same continuity when that clearly isn't possible.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby griftimus prime » Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:40 am

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how can you do unicron twice? does he get absorbed into the planet at the end or something? mirage said hes is bigger than the planet.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Immortal Starscream » Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:47 am

o.supreme wrote:Everyone has their own view. But for me, until Car Robots/Rid there were basically only 2 continuities. The Marvel Comic, and Marvel/Sunbow animated series.

UK, & G2 comics were part of Marvel comics continuity.

All the Japanese series, Manga, as well as BW and BM could be tied to the original Sunbow series. It wasn't *perfect* but it made a heck of a lot more sense than the live action films.

Sure in the 21st century we have literally dozens of TF continuities now, but nobody is saying they Are all in the same universe. We acknowledge they are all different.

It's just certain producers at Paramount trying to say all the live action films take place in the same continuity when that clearly isn't possible.


one thing I've been saying for a while, and still think is true, is that this movie is going to borrow from the netflix kingdom show. Beastwars has been heavily tied to time travel shenanigan's since it's beginning after all. In other words, this unicron is likely the unicron from the future, or a possible future where he got up and dusted the Earth off of him.

as for the movie continuity as a whole, it has been broken since RotF, and broken more with each movie's retcon of the retcons. (insert obligatory Autobots vs Retcons joke here). So I never expect anything else.

Wheeljacks full model does look much better inho, even if they are still doing the Urkel "Nerds must look like sterotype nerds" motif.

At the end of the day, I'm not expecting high cinema. Would a high cinema art piece be awesome? sure.
But for me, it is more important that it is a fun, entertaining and enjoyable romp, without being so braindead as to be insulting. Because imho, that's what made Transformers great from the beginning.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:49 am

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william-james88 wrote:You should read the article you posted, they didn't call it a reboot, that's just fan interpretation of generic corporate speak which was never even made official.



I did. Some people might be stupid enough to post without reading, but not me. It's articles like that one that have all contributed to this being plastered across the internet:

Google: Is Bumblebee a prequel or reboot?

Answer: Overall Bumblebee was developed as a prequel to Bayverse but later on decision was made to make it a reboot of the franchise so they changed some scenes at the beginning of the movie and at the end of the movie.


Which if ultimately true, by default does fix the Unicron plot hole.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:02 am

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I thought it was ok. Clearly answers the question why Scorponok is cited without the other main Predacons too.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:16 am

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Read on one of the other fan sites that the round ball things in the bit where Bee's "skydiving" appear to be similar to Armada Dead End, a "character" that was associated with Unicron.

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If so that's a bit cool way to potentially get Unicron a bit more active in a battle than just hovering over the planet while letting his Heralds do all the heavy lifting.


Well at the least this trailer shows that the action should at least be pretty decent, didn't look super shaky like some of the previous films have been where I can at least tell what's going on relatively despite the scale of the fight, as much as I liked Bumblebee's fights just fine as one on one fights I'm somewhat glad to get an epic war fight that might be good, at the least even if the film isn't great in the story department it should hopefully be entertaining in a popcorn flick sort of way, only movie I've watched in theaters in the last 4 or so years was Top Gun Maverick and Mario so eh a big theater experience will be nice.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:24 am

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If any previous movie is getting retconned by all this, it could just be TLK alone, since it was the only one of the movies that bombed.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:29 am

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Sabrblade wrote:If any previous movie is getting retconned by all this, it could just be TLK alone, since it was the only one of the movies that bombed.


What would the point of that be when all it would do is just make Age of Extinction a cliffhanger if they don't follow up on the ending when it already had a sequel movie as unsatisfying as it was at actually following up on the plot threads there especially when Unicron was never mentioned to be a thing until TLK?

This film doesn't seem to be doing anything with Creators or whatever so that idea just seems jarring.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:50 am

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Sabrblade wrote:If any previous movie is getting retconned by all this, it could just be TLK alone, since it was the only one of the movies that bombed.


What would the point of that be when all it would do is just make Age of Extinction a cliffhanger if they don't follow up on the ending when it already had a sequel movie as unsatisfying as it was at actually following up on the plot threads there especially when Unicron was never mentioned to be a thing until TLK?

This film doesn't seem to be doing anything with Creators or whatever so that idea just seems jarring.
Simple. Wipe clean the terrible post-AOE slate we have now, to make room for a future movie to pick up the pieces and try making better AOE follow-up.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:00 am

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SpaceEagle wrote:Trailer looked pretty cool, seems like it'll at least have some good action scenes. Kinda surprised they jumped to the biggest bad of them all with Unicron, though.


I'm surprised too. So far, in all the merch and interviews, the main villains were always said to be the terrorcons. And now, this trailer makes them an afterthought or just an appetizer to the main course.

The lack of Unicron in the test screenings does make me worry that most of what we see of him is in the trailer, which I think will piss a lot of people off. Reminds me of how The Last Knight centered all its marketing on Evil Optimus and his big face off with Bumblebee when that was a minor bit in the film and Bumblebee was never really in danger due to his new reassembly powers.

Also, really crazy how we go from Unicron in TLK and then they dial it down to a much smaller level in Bumblebee, and then with that slight success and good faith, they bring it right back to Unicron. Though I do always support going for broke. Aquaman did that, the Fast and Furious films do that, it can work.

o.supreme wrote:It's just certain producers at Paramount trying to say all the live action films take place in the same continuity when that clearly isn't possible.


It's not just the producer, it's the official stance from Paramount in any printed form (magazine articles, newspapers, ect) when describing a link to the previous movies in the franchise. Here's another example from total film where they make it clear where it fits with the Shia Leboef movies: https://twitter.com/AlfonsoNation/statu ... 90/photo/3

And I agree, it's all nonsense. But I preffer that than calling this a reboot because that just cheapens the word. Let's say this very same film was instead said to be a reboot by Paramount, it would have no benefits of a reboot. It's the same vision and visual style, and has callbacks to Bay elements. When fans ask for a reboot, do they just mean it doesn't have to connect to every story established in previous movies (which is what this is) or do they want a new vision? Like having a Bumblebee who has a different face and talks, doing a film from the point of view of the robots, ect.

Munkky wrote:Unicron being in this movie makes me think they're doing a sort of "half-way" reboot-prequel that only acknowledges one or two past movies as canon and ignores everything else. Slasher movie franchises do this a lot, Halloween is notorious for it, being like a Choose Your Own Adventure book with the various timelines at this point, and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre does it too. It seems like Rise of the Beasts is at the very least ignoring The Last Knight, and possibly Age of Extinction too, which I don't mind too much.


Yes, they are doing exactly that, but I feel they've been doing that since the second film, honestly, when they started retconning stuff. Your slasher film example is good and I would add that this reminds me of the Batman films in the 90s and the Bond films before Craig. All examples of films that are meant to be enjoyed as single entities but also connected within a singular film franchise.

Anyways, I would HIGHLY recommend that no one waste any time or braincells trying to make sense of this. Hasbro/Paramount give it 0 thought, so why should you? Let's just enjoy what we can of it.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:04 am

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Sabrblade wrote:If any previous movie is getting retconned by all this, it could just be TLK alone, since it was the only one of the movies that bombed.


What would the point of that be when all it would do is just make Age of Extinction a cliffhanger if they don't follow up on the ending when it already had a sequel movie as unsatisfying as it was at actually following up on the plot threads there especially when Unicron was never mentioned to be a thing until TLK?

This film doesn't seem to be doing anything with Creators or whatever so that idea just seems jarring.
Simple. Wipe clean the terrible post-AOE slate we have now, to make room for a future movie to pick up the pieces and try making better AOE follow-up.


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Just make new movies with a clean slate, we got comics and other mediums to give us a follow up on TLK and such that can answer the AOE plot threads, imo it would be more ideal for the movies to actually go into new directions not try to salvage a continuity that isn't much of a coherent one.

Major reason AOE didn't bomb was because of China boosting it's numbers, it was still dwindling overall and was still critically viewed as a "not good" film.

That's like asking for the Star Wars Prequel or/and Sequel trilogies to get do-overs because a selection of people didn't like them, Transformers doesn't have the room for a bunch of films like Star Wars or Marvel, we get 1 movie every few years besides Bumblebee being short after TLK or how the animated Cybertron film is intended to be out in a year or so after ROTB.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:05 am

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby noctorro » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:09 am

Just saw the trailer, been checking youtube for that thing multiple times a day for 2,5 weeks (not much fun going on in my life at the moment).

Thoughts +:
It looks like fun, it looks filled with action, with Transformers talking and having some identity. Adding Unicron is epic, I don't care for the Bayverse continuity because Mr. Bay doesn't so.
Arcee looks fun, Rhinox, there are a lot of Transformers in this movie guys! And it looks like they have their own stories in it. Showing Unicron is a big spoiler which they should've kept for the movie itself in my opinion, but there is still some mystery left in the trailer.

Thoughts -:
The cg looks bad guys, it might be Youtube doesn't fully show the crispness, but it just looks like Transformers 4 Lockdown transforming from car to robot for the first time. This can be a Marvel thing (rushing the digital artists to death) or budget restraints. Hopefully it looks better onscreen. If it doesn't I still wouldn't hold it against them, they shove in a lot of cg battles and bots.

I'm hyped for the movie guys!
Here's hoping they make a Unicron toy, guys a Titan Unicron!
Or just remold Armada Unicron a bit for more detail and a more accurate paintjob.
Heck just repaint Armada Unicron if it's the only way to give us a movie Unicron, they did it with Cybertron Primus in I think The Last Knight which I have.
Wh' why? Oh Cybertron was in the movie, I forgot.

In my pinion, it doesn't need to be The Dark Knight, Infinity War or Dune level sci fi movie making. Just be a decent, fun action movie with nostalgia stuff and I'm satisfied.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:09 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Unicron is risky though. He's usually been the final act of a Transformers story. Alternatively, the whole idea is to keep him dormant to mitigate those stakes.


Unicron is boring because he's barely a character and more like a Transforming Death Star most of the time, I kinda hope he's not just killed off here and is instead more of a multi-film villain who can actually be his own character.


Then again it would be nice to actually get Megatron back and make him the main villain for once since uh 2007 and even then he was in ice for most of that film.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:09 am

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Sabrblade wrote:If any previous movie is getting retconned by all this, it could just be TLK alone, since it was the only one of the movies that bombed.


What would the point of that be when all it would do is just make Age of Extinction a cliffhanger if they don't follow up on the ending when it already had a sequel movie as unsatisfying as it was at actually following up on the plot threads there especially when Unicron was never mentioned to be a thing until TLK?

This film doesn't seem to be doing anything with Creators or whatever so that idea just seems jarring.
Simple. Wipe clean the terrible post-AOE slate we have now, to make room for a future movie to pick up the pieces and try making better AOE follow-up.


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Just make new movies with a clean slate, we got comics and other mediums to give us a follow up on TLK and such that can answer the AOE plot threads, imo it would be more ideal for the movies to actually go into new directions not try to salvage a continuity that isn't much of a coherent one.

Major reason AOE didn't bomb was because of China boosting it's numbers, it was still dwindling overall and was still critically viewed as a "not good" film.
Every time they make tie-in comics for the movies to try and explain things that the movies didn't, a later movie comes along and makes those comics null and void.

The first three films had comics that helped piece everything together in a nice neat way that those three films never even bothered to try doing. And then AOE came along just threw all of those comics out the window, with TLK further burying them in the ground. Then some new comics came along to try and smooth things over between TLK and the then-upcoming Bumblebee movie, but the final version of the Bee movie ended up chucking those comics into the trash.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:14 am

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Sabrblade wrote:Every time they make tie-in comics for the movies to try and explain things that the movies didn't, a later movie comes along and makes those comics null and void.

The first three films had comics that helped piece everything together in a nice neat way that those three films never even bothered to try doing. And then AOE came along just threw all of those comics out the window, with TLK further burying them in the ground. Then some new comics came along to try and smooth things over between TLK and the then-upcoming Bumblebee movie, but the final version of the Bee movie ended up chucking those comics into the trash.

Very true but if they actually decided not make another film in that timeline, it could for once be the actual canon events instead of having that de-canoned fate the other tie-in media suffered from.

The people clamoring for a do-over on AOE or/and TLK are a very niche group of people even ignoring that Rise of Unicron fan film, there is no logical reason to do something like this when the casual audience couldn't care one way or another.
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