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Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:04 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I assume they are going to ignore that BB started off in the '07 film as the yellow VW Beetle?

Anyway:

5 factions mentioned so far.


This is the part that concerns me. That means at least two factions (Decepticons and Predacons, I think are a safe bet) will be thrown under the bus or used as fodder. Bumblebee worked because the idea that 'less was more' adhered to the roster.

Bee was never the vw beetle till the Bumblebee movie. He's always been the camerao
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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#-o The Beetle was the car next to Bumblebee, my bad. I'd forgotten he was an ugly Camaro for most of the Live Action series.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Immortal Starscream » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:51 am

lot's of discussion about continuity here, so I will just slide in and point out that in the entire history of the brand, the phrase "Transformers Continuity" has always been an oxymoron.

as for the statement on the tone of this new movie, the Bumblebee movie was a solid attempt at actually making a GOOD movie that was about the Transformers. However while it did well, it wasn't the huge money making cash behemoth that they were expecting/wanting. back after the movie made its rounds and they were talking about the future they said that they learned their lesson and knew that people wanted the spectacle and carnage of the Bay films. Nobody seemed then to take stock of the fact that the movies had gotten so bad, that people just weren't going to see them anymore. I have many friends who refused to even give Bumblebee a chance until I made them watch the movie.

Even the people who loved the braindead nature of the films though were burned out on it. This is where things are dangerous. It's been long enough of a break from the movies that people may be ready to give it another shot. If they drop out another TLK quality film and it makes a ton of money as a result of people jumping back in to see what all the fuss is about, then they will say they were justified in releasing crap because peoples wallets said so.

The real lesson that they need to take away from Bumblebee is that the opening scene of the movie is the part that is unanimously loved by fans, critics, and average movie goers. This should tell you that the focus of the movie really should be on the Transformers, not just because it's, you know, THIER NAME ON THE BRAND.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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The funny bit was when the studio clearly didn't equate BB not taking the money expected (by them) with the apathy the Bayformers series had generated in the Live Action brand with the last entry (or so).

To make people care about Batman films again, they didn't release a new one immediately after Batman & Robin, after all.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I assume they are going to ignore that BB started off in the '07 film as the yellow VW Beetle?

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5 factions mentioned so far.


This is the part that concerns me. That means at least two factions (Decepticons and Predacons, I think are a safe bet) will be thrown under the bus or used as fodder. Bumblebee worked because the idea that 'less was more' adhered to the roster.

This wouldn't exactly be a new thing. In most of the live-action movies the Decepticons usually end up playing second fiddle to another villain, Sentinel in Dark of the Moon, Lockdown and Kelsey Grammar in Age of Extinction, Quintessa in The Last Knight, and it sounds as if both Decepticons (if indeed there are any) and Predacons are going to play second fiddle to Scourge in Rise of the Beasts.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:24 am

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Exactly. That's why I thought it was a safe bet to write them off already. Unfortunate, because one important lesson Bumblebee taught the Live Action series, was how to better represent the villains.

Likewise, the Predacons are name dropped. But then all the prominence of the announcement goes to the Terrorcons. Also damning: no name announcement for the Preds either. Nothing but emphasis on Scourge aka "Evil Optimus".
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:31 am

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Immortal Starscream wrote:lot's of discussion about continuity here, so I will just slide in and point out that in the entire history of the brand, the phrase "Transformers Continuity" has always been an oxymoron.

as for the statement on the tone of this new movie, the Bumblebee movie was a solid attempt at actually making a GOOD movie that was about the Transformers. However while it did well, it wasn't the huge money making cash behemoth that they were expecting/wanting. back after the movie made its rounds and they were talking about the future they said that they learned their lesson and knew that people wanted the spectacle and carnage of the Bay films. Nobody seemed then to take stock of the fact that the movies had gotten so bad, that people just weren't going to see them anymore. I have many friends who refused to even give Bumblebee a chance until I made them watch the movie.

Even the people who loved the braindead nature of the films though were burned out on it. This is where things are dangerous. It's been long enough of a break from the movies that people may be ready to give it another shot. If they drop out another TLK quality film and it makes a ton of money as a result of people jumping back in to see what all the fuss is about, then they will say they were justified in releasing crap because peoples wallets said so.

The real lesson that they need to take away from Bumblebee is that the opening scene of the movie is the part that is unanimously loved by fans, critics, and average movie goers. This should tell you that the focus of the movie really should be on the Transformers, not just because it's, you know, THIER NAME ON THE BRAND.

*puts hand up*

I didn't care for the Bumblebee opening. I much preferred everything that came after.

Also if you want a tf movie without humans, then we're getting that, as they're still doing the Cybertron prequel movie.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Immortal Starscream » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:41 am

ZeroWolf wrote:
Immortal Starscream wrote:lot's of discussion about continuity here, so I will just slide in and point out that in the entire history of the brand, the phrase "Transformers Continuity" has always been an oxymoron.

as for the statement on the tone of this new movie, the Bumblebee movie was a solid attempt at actually making a GOOD movie that was about the Transformers. However while it did well, it wasn't the huge money making cash behemoth that they were expecting/wanting. back after the movie made its rounds and they were talking about the future they said that they learned their lesson and knew that people wanted the spectacle and carnage of the Bay films. Nobody seemed then to take stock of the fact that the movies had gotten so bad, that people just weren't going to see them anymore. I have many friends who refused to even give Bumblebee a chance until I made them watch the movie.

Even the people who loved the braindead nature of the films though were burned out on it. This is where things are dangerous. It's been long enough of a break from the movies that people may be ready to give it another shot. If they drop out another TLK quality film and it makes a ton of money as a result of people jumping back in to see what all the fuss is about, then they will say they were justified in releasing crap because peoples wallets said so.

The real lesson that they need to take away from Bumblebee is that the opening scene of the movie is the part that is unanimously loved by fans, critics, and average movie goers. This should tell you that the focus of the movie really should be on the Transformers, not just because it's, you know, THIER NAME ON THE BRAND.

*puts hand up*

I didn't care for the Bumblebee opening. I much preferred everything that came after.

Also if you want a tf movie without humans, then we're getting that, as they're still doing the Cybertron prequel movie.


I am actually not on the "no humanz in our robot movies" bandwagon. Having a human character, particularly one that is relatable, helps serve as an audience proxy and adds to the scale of the story being told. The more "everyman" the character the better. but making the entire movie just about them with the robot apocalypse as the backdrop is what I would like them to get away from. This is what I think the Bumblebee movie did very well with the relationship between Bee and Charlie, and am hoping we will see more of in this movie.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:52 am

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Immortal Starscream wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
Immortal Starscream wrote:lot's of discussion about continuity here, so I will just slide in and point out that in the entire history of the brand, the phrase "Transformers Continuity" has always been an oxymoron.

as for the statement on the tone of this new movie, the Bumblebee movie was a solid attempt at actually making a GOOD movie that was about the Transformers. However while it did well, it wasn't the huge money making cash behemoth that they were expecting/wanting. back after the movie made its rounds and they were talking about the future they said that they learned their lesson and knew that people wanted the spectacle and carnage of the Bay films. Nobody seemed then to take stock of the fact that the movies had gotten so bad, that people just weren't going to see them anymore. I have many friends who refused to even give Bumblebee a chance until I made them watch the movie.

Even the people who loved the braindead nature of the films though were burned out on it. This is where things are dangerous. It's been long enough of a break from the movies that people may be ready to give it another shot. If they drop out another TLK quality film and it makes a ton of money as a result of people jumping back in to see what all the fuss is about, then they will say they were justified in releasing crap because peoples wallets said so.

The real lesson that they need to take away from Bumblebee is that the opening scene of the movie is the part that is unanimously loved by fans, critics, and average movie goers. This should tell you that the focus of the movie really should be on the Transformers, not just because it's, you know, THIER NAME ON THE BRAND.

*puts hand up*

I didn't care for the Bumblebee opening. I much preferred everything that came after.

Also if you want a tf movie without humans, then we're getting that, as they're still doing the Cybertron prequel movie.


I am actually not on the "no humanz in our robot movies" bandwagon. Having a human character, particularly one that is relatable, helps serve as an audience proxy and adds to the scale of the story being told. The more "everyman" the character the better. but making the entire movie just about them with the robot apocalypse as the backdrop is what I would like them to get away from. This is what I think the Bumblebee movie did very well with the relationship between Bee and Charlie, and am hoping we will see more of in this movie.

At this juncture, there's no reason to doubt that this will be the case other then pessimism. Or if users have time machines and have already seen the movie.

Surprised no one has pointed out that if there's an scourge in this, compete with Predacons, maybe they're adapting a little of RiD 2001 ;) (this is a joke)

Really I think the heist will be the precursor to how the Predacons and Maximals getting involved, with the Terrorcons being the villains of note at the beginning (perhaps with Decepticon handler to make sure they do the job)
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:57 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:Surprised no one has pointed out that if there's an scourge in this, compete with Predacons, maybe they're adapting a little of RiD 2001 ;) (this is a joke)



You joke, but it does sound very similar. Maybe someone is going to pay homage to Car Robots after all? :-?
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Immortal Starscream » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:58 am

ZeroWolf wrote:
Immortal Starscream wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
Immortal Starscream wrote:lot's of discussion about continuity here, so I will just slide in and point out that in the entire history of the brand, the phrase "Transformers Continuity" has always been an oxymoron.

as for the statement on the tone of this new movie, the Bumblebee movie was a solid attempt at actually making a GOOD movie that was about the Transformers. However while it did well, it wasn't the huge money making cash behemoth that they were expecting/wanting. back after the movie made its rounds and they were talking about the future they said that they learned their lesson and knew that people wanted the spectacle and carnage of the Bay films. Nobody seemed then to take stock of the fact that the movies had gotten so bad, that people just weren't going to see them anymore. I have many friends who refused to even give Bumblebee a chance until I made them watch the movie.

Even the people who loved the braindead nature of the films though were burned out on it. This is where things are dangerous. It's been long enough of a break from the movies that people may be ready to give it another shot. If they drop out another TLK quality film and it makes a ton of money as a result of people jumping back in to see what all the fuss is about, then they will say they were justified in releasing crap because peoples wallets said so.

The real lesson that they need to take away from Bumblebee is that the opening scene of the movie is the part that is unanimously loved by fans, critics, and average movie goers. This should tell you that the focus of the movie really should be on the Transformers, not just because it's, you know, THIER NAME ON THE BRAND.

*puts hand up*

I didn't care for the Bumblebee opening. I much preferred everything that came after.

Also if you want a tf movie without humans, then we're getting that, as they're still doing the Cybertron prequel movie.


I am actually not on the "no humanz in our robot movies" bandwagon. Having a human character, particularly one that is relatable, helps serve as an audience proxy and adds to the scale of the story being told. The more "everyman" the character the better. but making the entire movie just about them with the robot apocalypse as the backdrop is what I would like them to get away from. This is what I think the Bumblebee movie did very well with the relationship between Bee and Charlie, and am hoping we will see more of in this movie.

At this juncture, there's no reason to doubt that this will be the case other then pessimism. Or if users have time machines and have already seen the movie.

Surprised no one has pointed out that if there's an scourge in this, compete with Predacons, maybe they're adapting a little of RiD 2001 ;) (this is a joke)

Really I think the heist will be the precursor to how the Predacons and Maximals getting involved, with the Terrorcons being the villains of note at the beginning (perhaps with Decepticon handler to make sure they do the job)


I was thinking the same thing with regards to the Maximals and Predacons. that and wondering if they will change Optimus Primal's name to something else. I am honestly trying hard not to be pessimistic about the movie, Bumblebee was such a great step in the right direction, im just super afraid of them stepping backwards.

also if it were tf2000/rid movie, would they change Skybite's haikus to good old 90's raps? :POPCORN:
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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ZeroWolf wrote:Surprised no one has pointed out that if there's an scourge in this, compete with Predacons, maybe they're adapting a little of RiD 2001 ;) (this is a joke)
You jest, but Ben Yee described his robot mode as resembling a cross between Cybertron Scourge and Prime Predaking, but also with smokestacks that may or may not suggest a truck altmode.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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When you think about it, given the nature of Car Robots, it could easily be tied into a G1 series. Live Action or otherwise. Plus it isn't the most deep TF characterisation out there. Which works within the Movieverse too.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby sideswipe6520 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:59 am

I've been so let down by some of the movies in the past that at this point I am going to go into this with literally no expectations. I don't expect a coherent plot, I don't expect massive character building for the bots. I don't expect it to be even half as good as Bumblebee turned out to be.
What I am going to instead hope for is that this is visually stunning, and has a few Holy crap moments. Let's all be honest here. None of these movies are ever going to give us the same sense of amazement and awe inspiring moments that we got with the first film. That first time Optimus Transformed or when Blackout first transformed. That was a huge moment and I think deep down most of us have been searching for that heart pounding moment ever since. The closest they have come is that opening scene in Bumblebee.
If this movie can provide just enough fan service to hit that mark in a few scenes, and also provide the amazing visuals like some of what we got in Age of extinction and a bit of humor like Hound's Fat ballerina joke then I think this movie will be a success. If I can go in with nothing and escape reality for a couple of hours and have a handful of moments that literally put a smile on my face then I don't care that it's still bayverse. I don't care if it comes out as pointless as The Last Knight.
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I'm more than willing to give it a watch. Which I wouldn't have said, pre-Bumblebee. As I tapped out of Bayformers after the third or fourth one. My only concern is the number of factions stated, isn't a reassuring figure.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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I wonder if there'll be more Maximals aside from the three mentioned or if this is it? If so, it would be an interesting coincidence that the only Maximals in the movie are the ones I bought or are planning to buy from Kingdom (Primal, Airazor, Rhinox).
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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Autobot N wrote:I wonder if there'll be more Maximals aside from the three mentioned or if this is it? If so, it would be an interesting coincidence that the only Maximals in the movie are the ones I bought or are planning to buy from Kingdom (Primal, Airazor, Rhinox).

The most I'm expecting is one more Maximal who's only on screen for about a minute and is then immediately killed off by Scourge, to demonstrate A) the threat Scourge poses to everyone else, and B) Scourge's penchant for collecting the faction symbols of his victims.
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Of the three names given, I'd say Airazor is the most Red Shirt.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby bluecatcinema » Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:29 pm

Maximals, Predacons, and Terrorcons? This should be interesting...
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Even if it was worse than all the other Baynus, if it had the original beast wars voice actors (and not made to say stuff like smelling boys etc etc) I'd be a thousand times more interested :(
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:55 pm

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You jest, but Ben Yee described his robot mode as resembling a cross between Cybertron Scourge and Prime Predaking, but also with smokestacks that may or may not suggest a truck altmode.


I like the idea of this Scourge having a beastial type robot mode but doesn't transform into a beast mode but instead turns into a black truck like Rid Scourge, with a couple other body features from G1 Scourge like the facial hair, hey maybe this Scourge ends up becoming somewhat like G1 if Unicron gets involved later on?

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Transformers 7 Director Explains how his Film is a Sequel to Bumblebee and a Prequel to Bay Films

Postby william-james88 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:56 pm

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There has been a lot of talks of reboots by fans, but the truth is Paramount can never commit to that. While the prequel movies like Bumblebee and the upcoming Rise of the Beasts won't directly reference the later (chronologically wise) films aside from Bumblebee's radio voice, face and alt mode choice, they are still part of this broader live action franchise, which has its die hard fans. Steve Caple Jr., the film's director, is very aware of this but and as a G1 fan he will be making this new movie his own thing while still being within the very loose and often contradictory chronology that fans call the Bayverse. The interview below from comicbook.com gives you a sense of how he will be meshing his movie within all this. It talks mainly of Optimus Prime's character and it is our best look yet at how Paramount is juggling this whole franchise and bringing in more classic G1 elements without committing to a full on reboot.

"The main hero is Optimus, as we all know and love," Caple said. "We're bringing Prime back, paying direct homage to Generation One. I care so much about this character that I really wanted to dive into Transformers, and I saw a Bumblebee and I was like, okay, Bumblebee had his own movie, but I want to discover more about Optimus Prime, dig underneath the surface, get underneath the metal, if you would, and like explore who he is and his experience here on earth, you know?"

"I know everyone has been asking like crazy, are we going, G1, are we going to G1?" Caple continued. "The answer is, yes, we are going to G1, the Prime."

The movie takes place about a decade before Michael Bay's Transformers -- and Caple plans to use that as an opportunity to explore a kind of "Year One" approach to Optimus Prime, and give fans a sense of how he became a great leader.

"It's 1994, and in a way, both the animated series and the Bay films treat Optimus the same in the sense of who he is as a leader, what is his drive?" Caple said. "All those things. What we've done is we're bringing it back to where you see how he becomes, what you're familiar with. And that's big new news."

And, yes, it isn't just a question of him spending 10 years on Earth. There's more to it than that, and fans will get to see what his "emotional" tie is to the planet, according to the director.

"When you say got to where he is, you mean 'we need to protect these earthlings and this biological planet,'" Caple explained. "The way to look at it is he's new to earth and he doesn't have a connection to earth the way we met him in the Bay films and the way we met him in the animated series where he's already a protector of Earth. And so in this film, it's forming, why does he have a link to humanity? And why does he have a link to earth? And that's emotional...At the beginning of Bumblebee, we showed, he escaped from Cybertron his home planet. And so in a sense, he's he literally is like an ex-pat here, right? He's landed. He's, he's an alien and he's never been here before. And so it allows us to get underneath say the stoicism of what we're traditionally presented in an Optimus."
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby TulioDude » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:58 pm

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Edit:A movie focused on Optimus's views most of time should be cool.
The closest is still Age of Extinction.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:01 pm

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Deadput wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:Surprised no one has pointed out that if there's an scourge in this, compete with Predacons, maybe they're adapting a little of RiD 2001 ;) (this is a joke)
You jest, but Ben Yee described his robot mode as resembling a cross between Cybertron Scourge and Prime Predaking, but also with smokestacks that may or may not suggest a truck altmode.


I like the idea of this Scourge having a beastial type robot mode but doesn't transform into a beast mode but instead turns into a black truck like Rid Scourge


That was the whole shtick of the RID 2015 Decepticons, did you dig that too?
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