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Posted: **Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:36 am**

Maybe these ones won't be opened at the factory...

Posted: **Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:43 pm**

I'm glad Takara is giving us another chance to get these figures

Posted: **Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:25 pm**

It still baffles me that Takara would produce a "Masterpiece" Skywarp with those weird shoulder, wrist, and "pectoral" pin stripes, making him far less screen accurate, especially now that the Masterpiece line is catering to that preference more than ever before. I know that's how it ended up for the Hasbro Asia market release a few years ago, but as this is being released only in Takara Tomy's home market, Japan, you'd think they could make a few changes to the paint apps? That's really all it would take.

Posted: **Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:27 pm**

Wolfman Jake wrote:It still baffles me that Takara would produce a "Masterpiece" Skywarp with those weird shoulder, wrist, and "pectoral" pin stripes, making him far less screen accurate, especially now that the Masterpiece line is catering to that preference more than ever before. I know that's how it ended up for the Hasbro Asia market release a few years ago, but as this is being released only in Takara Tomy's home market, Japan, you'd think they could make a few changes to the paint apps? That's really all it would take.

Think of this as like Takara's release of Hasbro's MP Acid Storm. A straight reissue for the main Japanese market of a foreign market figure.

Otherwise, Takara's release of Acid Storm ought to have been recolored as, well... this:

Posted: **Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:33 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:It still baffles me that Takara would produce a "Masterpiece" Skywarp with those weird shoulder, wrist, and "pectoral" pin stripes, making him far less screen accurate, especially now that the Masterpiece line is catering to that preference more than ever before. I know that's how it ended up for the Hasbro Asia market release a few years ago, but as this is being released only in Takara Tomy's home market, Japan, you'd think they could make a few changes to the paint apps? That's really all it would take.
Think of this as like Takara's release of Hasbro's MP Acid Storm. A straight reissue for the main Japanese market of a foreign market figure.

Otherwise, Takara's release of Acid Storm ought to have been recolored as, well... this:

Acid Storm is quite a D-List character, though. Skywarp is an established A-lister, part of an iconic trio of characters. It's annoying that he doesn't "match" his mold-mates Starscream and Thundercracker. Heck, Takara's Sunstorm does a better job of conforming to the "seeker trio" paint scheme. That's just weird.

Posted: **Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:41 pm**

Wolfman Jake wrote:Acid Storm is quite a D-List character, though. Skywarp is an established A-lister, part of an iconic trio of characters. It's annoying that he doesn't "match" his mold-mates Starscream and Thundercracker. Heck, Takara's Sunstorm does a better job of conforming to the "seeker trio" paint scheme. That's just weird.

Takara's Sunstorm is a good example to bring up since, cartoon-wise, he's just as obscure in the show as Acid Storm was (arguably even moreso since Sunstorm was only seen in one shot of the one episode he showed up in, while Acid Storm got more screentime with multiple shots in the episode he appeared in) and yet received a deco that was very beholden to his single onscreen appearance:

Sunstorm may be more known in external media, but strictly speaking of the cartoon, he's even lower tier than Acid Storm, Nova Storm, and Ion Storm.

Posted: **Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:47 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:Acid Storm is quite a D-List character, though. Skywarp is an established A-lister, part of an iconic trio of characters. It's annoying that he doesn't "match" his mold-mates Starscream and Thundercracker. Heck, Takara's Sunstorm does a better job of conforming to the "seeker trio" paint scheme. That's just weird.
Takara's Sunstorm is a good example to bring up since, cartoon-wise, he's just as obscure in the show as Acid Storm was (arguably even moreso since Sunstorm was only seen in one shot of the one episode he showed up in, while Acid Storm got more screentime with multiple shots in the episode he appeared in) and yet received a deco that was very beholden to his single onscreen appearance:

Sunstorm may be more known in external media, but strictly speaking of the cartoon, he's even lower tier than Acid Storm, Nova Storm, and Ion Storm.

Which just begs the question even more: What the hell, Takara Tomy!? Give poor Skywarp a break!

Posted: **Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:51 am**

That's it. I'm moving to Japan.

Posted: **Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:34 pm**

SeventhSage wrote:That's it. I'm moving to Japan.

Dont need to . Turns out Hasbro Asia is making a simultaneous reissue of their skywarp and you can get it at BBTS and TFSource for 189$ (so 10$ cheaper than initially).

Posted: **Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:20 pm**

This is surprising, it turns out there is an actual difference between the most recent release of Masterpiece Skywarp and the Hasbro Asia release of two years ago. It was taken for granted that the previous Hasbro Asia release was simply the Takara release to be sold outside Japan but that is not the case. Fellow Seibertronian Powered Convoy, (Randy of the Allspark) has done a write up of the differences between the recent release and the one from two years ago, and seperated them between what he finds better, worse and inconsequential. This means that there is indeed a distinction between the Takara version of MP 11 Skywarp and the Hasbro version, even though North America has yet to see this toy released. How do you completionists feel? Were you aware? Does it look like one of them is sporting the movie Decepticon symbol? Let us know.

The Good:
- Black painted biceps and knees are now black plastic
- Chest fans are considerably darker
- Joints are really nice and tight (unlike Thrust and his wobbly waist), though this isn’t any better than the original
- Heel spurs, and jet exhausts are darker

The Bad:
- Torso area behind his biceps is no longer painted silver, just silver plastic
- Bottom of shoulder pylons are considerably darker

The Indifferent:
- Purple is much warmer purple
- Symbols are lighter
- Chest missiles are darker
- Silver feet detail is darker
- Buttocks is black plastic
- Yellow wing paint is lighter and does not extend past molded detail
- Window is lighter but less clear

So really nice. I do like the old purple better, though this purple is similar to what was on the Henkei (not exactly the same). The biceps and knees being cast in black rather than painted is a definite improvement. As they are kind of distracting on the original. The lack of paint on the chest section is disappointing.

So it’s a matter of how much the change in purple bothers you (if it does at all) and how much the lack of paint (good for the biceps & knees, bad for the torso section) matter to you.

Looking at them from here, the black plastic biceps and darker chest fans are winning me over right now. You can’t lose with either of them. The ideal for me would be the 2016 version with the 2014 purple and painted chest part.

In all the pics the China 2014 version is on the left, the Japanese 2016 on the right.

Randy

Posted: **Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:38 pm**

Huh. Do I need to buy another MP11SW? 8-}

Also, was this aimed at me?

william-james88 wrote:How do you completionists feel?

Luckily, I prefer everything on the original. But I don't know if my neurosis can let this slide....

Posted: **Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:55 pm**

Oh wow. I didn't expect to see Randy's comparison posted here. I'd forgotten he'd done it, tbh. :oops:

Posted: **Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:06 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:Oh wow. I didn't expect to see Randy's comparison posted here. I'd forgotten he'd done it, tbh.

Hes a member of ours too and no one elsehad done such a comparison.

And Shajaki, while I was hoping you would respond, I think you aren't the only cpmpletionist and I am always hoping to find others who can share their hopes and frustrations. But you are by far the most vocal, and I am thankful.

Posted: **Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:08 pm**

Is it possible that Masterpiece Skywarp will show up in US Markets like Starscream recently did?

Posted: **Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:09 pm**

william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Oh wow. I didn't expect to see Randy's comparison posted here. I'd forgotten he'd done it, tbh.

Hes a member of ours too and no one elsehad done such a comparison.

I know he is. I just... forgot that he did this.

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:31 am**

shajaki wrote:Huh. Do I need to buy another MP11SW?
Also, was this aimed at me?
william-james88 wrote:How do you completionists feel?

Luckily, I prefer everything on the original. But I don't know if my neurosis can let this slide....

No, it won't. Oh no it won't. :-$

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:36 am**

Both versions look fine. I don't see any reason to get the new version, unless you missed the previous release or if you need to own every version of Skywarp out there,

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:38 am**

All I have is the Hasbro MP-3 mold Walmart exclusive and I'm fine with it.

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:46 am**

BW Megatron wrote:All I have is the Hasbro MP-3 mold Walmart exclusive and I'm fine with it.

MP-03 is the BEST mold IMO. Especially for the price paid originally.

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:53 am**

Meh, if I ever get the space for an MP collection I'm gonna either wait for the MakeToys Seekers or wait even longer for a Seeker 3.0 mold. The existing MP Seeker mold (which is basically MP-03 with lipstick) is kinda dated engineering wise, and AFAIK mold degradation is seriously setting in on the poor thing. If I were to get either version though I'd go for MP-03, because A: less degradation and B: better jet mode (I am a bit of a jet nerd).

Seriously though we need a totally new MP Seeker mold. This one sucks.

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:55 am**

Black Hat wrote:Meh, if I ever get the space for an MP collection I'm gonna either wait for the MakeToys Seekers or wait even longer for a Seeker 3.0 mold. The existing MP Seeker mold (which is basically MP-03 with lipstick) is kinda dated engineering wise, and AFAIK mold degradation is seriously setting in on the poor thing. If I were to get either version though I'd go for MP-03, because A: less degradation and B: better jet mode (I am a bit of a jet nerd).

Seriously though we need a totally new MP Seeker mold. This one sucks.

I have always thought similarly, but I do want to let you know that there isn't mold degradation per se. The latest I bought was the Hasbro Starscream from last year and it was really nice and tight.

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:00 pm**

william-james88 wrote:
Black Hat wrote:Meh, if I ever get the space for an MP collection I'm gonna either wait for the MakeToys Seekers or wait even longer for a Seeker 3.0 mold. The existing MP Seeker mold (which is basically MP-03 with lipstick) is kinda dated engineering wise, and AFAIK mold degradation is seriously setting in on the poor thing. If I were to get either version though I'd go for MP-03, because A: less degradation and B: better jet mode (I am a bit of a jet nerd).

Seriously though we need a totally new MP Seeker mold. This one sucks.

I have always thought similarly, but I do want to let you know that there isn't mold degradation per se. The latest I bought was the Hasbro Starscream from last year and it was really nice and tight.

That's because they did fixed the issues.

I still wake up at night, in sweat, shaking from the PTSD my 300$ Takara MP-11 gave me.

Dat price, dat cheap plastics all over, that loose chest, those perma-attached null rays, the fact that I sold my excellent G1 colored MP-03 for this and so on and so forth...

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:03 pm**

william-james88 wrote:
Black Hat wrote:Meh, if I ever get the space for an MP collection I'm gonna either wait for the MakeToys Seekers or wait even longer for a Seeker 3.0 mold. The existing MP Seeker mold (which is basically MP-03 with lipstick) is kinda dated engineering wise, and AFAIK mold degradation is seriously setting in on the poor thing. If I were to get either version though I'd go for MP-03, because A: less degradation and B: better jet mode (I am a bit of a jet nerd).

Seriously though we need a totally new MP Seeker mold. This one sucks.

I have always thought similarly, but I do want to let you know that there isn't mold degradation per se. The latest I bought was the Hasbro Starscream from last year and it was really nice and tight.

Hmm, interesting. I've heard mixed stories- IIRC a lot of Skywarps had wonky wings and floppy fuselages and the Coneheads have been absolute messes for some people (whilst inexplicably fine for others). I suspect a mixture of luck-of-the-draw QC, some mold degradation (it's been used so often it must have SOME wear and tear on it) and factory shenanigans are at fault.

I just dread a theoretical MP-11 based Ghost Starscream. Overused mold, oddly iffy QC AND clear plastic? Oh joy!

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:39 pm**

I believe takara can do a better seeker mold,but at this point,id rather they just finish the seekers already.
A whole new seeker mold would have been great..if they have made it mp-11.
I feel starscream is popular enough to warrant a new mold. Not just a retool of mp-3 that didnt fix that chest problem.

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:22 pm**

-Kanrabat- wrote:
shajaki wrote:Huh. Do I need to buy another MP11SW?
Also, was this aimed at me?
william-james88 wrote:How do you completionists feel?

Luckily, I prefer everything on the original. But I don't know if my neurosis can let this slide....

No, it won't. Oh no it won't.

Conscience? Is that you? I don't hear much from you these days :lol:

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