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[ZeroWolf]

When they remade/copied Star Wars episode IV & called it The Force Awakens people were pissed & hated it. When they remade/copied the 2007 Transformers movie & called it Bumblebee everybody loved it.

Besides the kid and their car part Bee and 2007 are vastly different in plot progression and character, and even the bid and car part turn out differently.

As for Star Wars people hated the prequel Star Wars movies what the hell else would people directing the next Star Wars film realistically have done? The actual plot points copy a lot from the first Star Wars film step by step.

Perhaps people didn't like Force Awakens because it was a "bad film", Bumblebee is a good film despite similarities to the 2007 film.


Final battle in Bumblebee is different from the 2007 film, the beginning was different from 2007 film and so on.

Taking inspiration from other parts from the franchise isn't the same thing as copying the exact same story progression but tweaking a few things.

I quite like the Force Awakens and so did Harrison Ford as it finally got him what he wanted ever since he found out about Return of the Jedi But you say it copies plot points from a new hope but that's not true as its really just copying from the same source material as a new hope and many, many, many other stories in the first place: A Hero's Journey. The archetype of different myths and legends from across the world. It's a template writers use, and it would appear that Bumblebee's writers used as well.

I agree that it looks like tlk is being ignored by all which is pretty awesome, I wonder if Bay himself pretends it never happened now.

[noctorro]

Gods damnit.



I f%^&*$ hate that Lorenzo guy. Only thing I've read and heard that he activly sabotages the Transformers brand on the big screen.

This is terrible news. So Bumblebee got okay to good reviews, next thing we get is Bay returning to the Franchise with Bumblebee 2 set in World War 2 with girl asses, toilet humor, G1 characters being torn to shreds (litteraly and figuretivly).

I hate this sh*t man, as soon as we get a good Transformers movie, the assholes see money and want their franchise back to ram it in the ground once again.

Well, at least we got 1 good Transformers movie.

[ZeroWolf]

I doubt bay will be back in a hurry, unless paramount wrote him a massive cheque but then that would just make it harder to get the money back... So no Bay will just stick to being a producer.

[Ironhidensh]

Remind me, my fellow oldtimer seibertronians, is Lorenzo the jackass who showed up on the fan forums back in '05 or '06 to 'chat up the fans about the movie', acting like he knew everything about Transformers, then when corrected, threw hissy fits and caused problems?




Anyway, I have zero **** to give about what this dude says. Bumblebee was a reboot, and I will probably never watch one of the bay films again*, since now we have a real Transformers live action movie.




*might grant exceptions to the first one and DotM, but RotF, AOE, and especially TLK can all burn and rot in hell.

[ScottyP]

I see Lorenzo listens to the Twincast. Thanks guy

[ScottyP]

Remind me, my fellow oldtimer seibertronians, is Lorenzo the jackass who showed up on the fan forums back in '05 or '06 to 'chat up the fans about the movie', acting like he knew everything about Transformers, then when corrected, threw hissy fits and caused problems?

That was Don Murphy. We should word filter his name to return "Chuckles Georgeson" or something silly.

[Dannshinigami]

When I saw producer I thought it was Bay supporting his junk but I was wrong.

It does seem like a company answer cause they dont eant to discredit the bayformers.

But after watching it its more than a little obvious its a reboot of sorts cause of all the plot differences and inconsistencies.

Plus if Prime was in the form he was in at the end why would he turn into the rig?? Also why would they look more 'organic'on earth than they did on Cybertron. They transform their alt modes not their physicality

[Nemesis Maximo]

might grant exceptions to the first one and DotM, but RotF, AoE, and TLK can all burn and rot in Hell.

This is my thought exactly. DOTM actually fixed a lot of my problems with ROTF, and then they all went and **** everything right in the ass on AOE.

Remind me, my fellow oldtimer seibertronians, is Lorenzo the jackass who showed up on the fan forums back in '05 or '06 to 'chat up the fans about the movie', acting like he knew everything about Transformers, then when corrected, threw hissy fits and caused problems?

That was Don Murphy. We should word filter his name to return "Chuckles Georgeson" or something silly.

Why don’t we do this kind of thing more often?

*EDIT* I just read up on this guy, and GOD DAMN.

I see Lorenzo listens to the Twincast. Thanks guy

You just Know good ol’ LdB is sitting there saying “I’m not your guy, friend!”

[ZeroWolf]

When I saw producer I thought it was Bay supporting his junk but I was wrong.

It does seem like a company answer cause they dont eant to discredit the bayformers.

But after watching it its more than a little obvious its a reboot of sorts cause of all the plot differences and inconsistencies.

Plus if Prime was in the form he was in at the end why would he turn into the rig?? Also why would they look more 'organic'on earth than they did on Cybertron. They transform their alt modes not their physicality

Why did Prime look different in each Alligned franchise basically the styles are the least of the problems of the continuity. Again though a reboot is still coming for the tf franchise.

[ebonyleopard]

For all the good he's done with Bumblebee, I don't know why he CAN'T just say it's a soft reboot and leave it at that. It actually would be GOOD for the franchise if that were the case.

[Glarryg]

This is an odd thing for the production company to dig their heels in about, because continuity was one of the things these films have always done poorly. Once we got to the third film (which, frankly, was one of my favorites), it was blatantly obvious that nobody making these things cared that much about the overarching story being told. They're much more enjoyable as individual units than as a saga of any kind.

I work at a network TV affiliate, and it's clear to me that the producers of the local newscasts aren't paying very much attention to their final product, despite the amount of work they put into it. Perhaps movie producers have the same attitude.

Glarryg

[Kyleor]

So according to the previous live action movies, Transformers were here since medieval times (including Bumblebee), but the "prequel" shows Bumblebee as the first to arrive in the 70s.

They need to just admit it's a soft reboot and move on in the new, better, style of Bumblebee.
Also maybe the studio people doing PR should be limited to people who know about, and actually like, the Transformers franchise as a whole.

[o.supreme]

who's going to care for Transformers at 50 or 60 years old?

Original Star Trek fans are still very much into their *Trek* despite all the reboots and re-imaginings. They hold those original 3 TV seasons and 6 theatrical films as *gold*.

Even Star Trek V?

Or Star Trek: The Slow Motion Picture?

Yep. They are all part of the "sacred texts" . Seriously though, I guess that's another thing we have in common with Trek fans now. Both Trek & TF have a 5th film that's regarded pretty universally as The Worst of the franchise.

[Sabrblade]

So according to the previous live action movies, Transformers were here since medieval times (including Bumblebee), but the "prequel" shows Bumblebee as the first to arrive in the 70s.

1) 1987
2) No, Bee was not in medieval times in TLK, those were the Guardian Knights. Bee was in WWII in that movie.
3) TLK made no sense to begin with, so this movie writing it out only improves things.

[ZeroWolf]

Exactly, tlk being the only one ignored is great news for the other films. They won't admit its a soft reboot, as its not, the script was written as a prequel from the get go. One of the biggest things is the style change but that was all Travis Knight and a late addition to the movie.

[o.supreme]

Even if TLK is "left out" (timeline contrivance). There are still continuity errors in films 1-4 & BB as a prequel that would not make sense.

[Sabrblade]

Even if TLK is "left out" (timeline contrivance). There are still continuity errors in films 1-4 & BB as a prequel that would not make sense.

None worse than any of the continuity issues that were had between the first five films.

[o.supreme]

Even if TLK is "left out" (timeline contrivance). There are still continuity errors in films 1-4 & BB as a prequel that would not make sense.

None worse than any of the continuity issues that were had between the first five films.

I think we just said the same thing...

[Sabrblade]

Even if TLK is "left out" (timeline contrivance). There are still continuity errors in films 1-4 & BB as a prequel that would not make sense.

None worse than any of the continuity issues that were had between the first five films.

I think we just said the same thing...

I thought you were singling out BB's issues from those of Movies 1-4 in your post.

[blackeyedprime]

TLK was better than some of the others but hey.

To imagine Bee as a prequel that ties in to some of the others, just have Bee falling out of the sky not being his arrival from cybertron, the truck at the end not being Prime. The voice thing is kind of screwed up in all the films continuity anyhoos but not as bad as whatever Decepticon destroyed Hotrods voice to make him sound French, maybe Megatron damaged Hotrods voice and not Bees, its hard to remember what all the insignificant autobots look like to him anyhoos.

& yes this is all in jest, other than TLK is actually better than some of the others *that or I didn't have any emotions left to be scarred after viewing the others.

[Sabrblade]

About that truck seen near the end that Bee drove next to on the Golden Gate Bridge...

I never thought that was Optimus.

Even after seeing Prime on Earth in the mid-credits scene, I never took that truck as being him. Just an Easter egg.

[ZeroWolf]

Also it didn't say explicitly in the film who damaged bees voice (in the 07 movie) all it said was that it was damaged in battle. If it was Megatron who did it... How long was rachet trying and failing to fix it?

[o.supreme]

So then..are all the IDW movie tie-ins considered "canon" to the live action universe, (I always figured so, even though i cant remember what happened in most of them) because if so...that presents a whole other dimension of issues.

[ZeroWolf]

So then..are all the IDW movie tie-ins considered "canon" to the live action universe, (I always figured so, even though i cant remember what happened in most of them) because if so...that presents a whole other dimension of issues.

They were cannon until the next movie came out and messed it up again.

[Sabrblade]

So then..are all the IDW movie tie-ins considered "canon" to the live action universe, (I always figured so, even though i cant remember what happened in most of them) because if so...that presents a whole other dimension of issues.

AOE threw all those out the minute it introduced the Creators and Knights, which TLK then threw out with Quintessa being "the Great Deceiver" and its having a completely different set of Knights.

The IDW comics only really work for the first trilogy, so there are at least two (or three) major timelines for the movies:

• Movies 1-3, plus some tie-in material (IDW comics, novels, Cyber Missions cartoon, etc.)
• Movies 1-5 with no tie-ins
• Movies 1-4 and Bumblebee as a prequel

Though, the Bumblebee tie-in comics were also thrown out by their own movie, but since those were written under the assumption that TLK would be included in Bumblebee's timeline, one could possibly put those Bumblebee tie-in comics with Timeline #2 above (as sad as that is since the Bumblebee comics were written to tie in with, you know, Bumblebee).