Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:17 am

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Starbuck14 wrote:Wait, adults are complaining about the cyberverse line being made for children??? Really??


I could understand if that was the ONLY toy line produced. But as you point out, the "adult" options far outweigh the kids ones.

So to me, the complainers are either oblivious people who miss the entire point, or they are really egotistical.
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Postby Sabrblade » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:18 am

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Starbuck14 wrote:Wait, adults are complaining about the cyberverse line being made for children??? Really??


I could understand if that was the ONLY toy line produced.
Well, it is the only toy line for the characters depicted in the show.
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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:28 am

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Mistaken_Table wrote:As far as I remember, there was always just 1 line of transformers out at a time. Then universe/classics happened.
It goes further back than that, when Machine Wars was out at the same time as Beast Wars.

Mistaken Table was referring to mainline toys. Machine Wars was retailer exclusive.
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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:36 am

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Starbuck14 wrote:Wait, adults are complaining about the cyberverse line being made for children??? Really??


I could understand if that was the ONLY toy line produced.
Well, it is the only toy line for the characters depicted in the show.


That show us a "kid show" so it's irrelevant.
Plus, the DELUXES exist. There is no excuse.
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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:44 am

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-Kanrabat- wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
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Starbuck14 wrote:Wait, adults are complaining about the cyberverse line being made for children??? Really??


I could understand if that was the ONLY toy line produced.
Well, it is the only toy line for the characters depicted in the show.


That show us a "kid show" so it's irrelevant.
Plus, the DELUXES exist. There is no excuse.
Every TF show with a toyline is a kid show. Always have been, even back in the advancely articulated days of the Beast Era.

And the Deluxes are selective and limited in this character choices. Anyone who wants a normal figure of Shadow Striker with standard articulation is up the creek.
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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:04 am

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Regardless of any Cyberverse toy, Kingdom Cheetor is pretty mediocre in its own right.
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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:09 am

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Sabrblade wrote:Regardless of any Cyberverse toy, Kingdom Cheetor is pretty mediocre in its own right.


That appears to be the consensus, even in the Kingdom thread, as I can't speak to it because I have no desire to own one.
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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:21 am

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o.supreme wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Regardless of any Cyberverse toy, Kingdom Cheetor is pretty mediocre in its own right.


That appears to be the consensus, even in the Kingdom thread, as I can't speak to it because I have no desire to own one.


I can't say K. Cheetor is "mediocre" but there's room for improvement. Play-wise, Cyber Cheetor looks definitely better.
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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby Cyber Bishop » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:07 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:So to me, the complainers are either oblivious people who miss the entire point, or they are really egotistical.


I have heard some crap from locals and to me it sounds the latter. Remember it is a clown world and everyone is butt-hurt about anything and everything.

I am just glad that it is 2021 and there are still Transformers products out for us to buy.
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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby Treetop Maximus » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:39 pm

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They can do whatever they want but my problem with it is there are some sick designs getting wasted on trash toys like that Gradius Starscream.

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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:57 pm

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Mistaken_Table wrote:As far as I remember, there was always just 1 line of transformers out at a time. Then universe/classics happened.
It goes further back than that, when Machine Wars was out at the same time as Beast Wars.

I only saw machine wars at K-B toys, was it exclusive or do I not remember things very well :???:
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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:02 pm

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Mistaken_Table wrote:As far as I remember, there was always just 1 line of transformers out at a time. Then universe/classics happened.
It goes further back than that, when Machine Wars was out at the same time as Beast Wars.

I only saw machine wars at K-B toys, was it exclusive or do I not remember things very well :???:

It was I believe, may be one of the reasons the line didn't do too well. It would have been interesting had it been more well recieved, and led to later waves, would they have been further repaints or would it have tied into Beast Wars :-? We'll never know...
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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:26 am

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Nemesis Reformatted wrote:And I couldn't stand the Filmation MOTU cartoon. In 81 MOTU was aimed towards teens but in 83 the cartoon dropped it from teen to toddler. As a kid I loved the more mature realistic cartoons like Transformers, GI Joe, M.A.S.K., Robotech & vehicle Voltron.

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All of this stuff was made for little kids under 10, including the 81 MOTU comics. Nobody made action figures and cartoons (for US TV) for teens and adults in the 80s. "More mature realistic cartoons". :lol:

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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:18 am

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Emerje wrote:
Nemesis Reformatted wrote:And I couldn't stand the Filmation MOTU cartoon. In 81 MOTU was aimed towards teens but in 83 the cartoon dropped it from teen to toddler. As a kid I loved the more mature realistic cartoons like Transformers, GI Joe, M.A.S.K., Robotech & vehicle Voltron.

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All of this stuff was made for little kids under 10, including the 81 MOTU comics. Nobody made action figures and cartoons (for US TV) for teens and adults in the 80s. "More mature realistic cartoons". :lol:

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Forgot to react to that because I facepalmed so hard, I knocked myself out. 8-}

As a young child in the 1980's, I never saw those show as "mature". At all. Because I've seen "mature". See, as a Québécois, our Saturday mornings at Radio Canada was filled with "cartoons" imported from France. France was really into anime hardcore so in Québec, we got so many anime by extension. The "toy commercials" cartoons were relegated to the other one French language channel out of 3. Those shows didn't last for long because Karens went to war against those and won.

Anyway, back to Radio Canada's anime. Those anime were filled with mature themes and they never shied to show actual DEATHS on screen. Goldorak (U.F.O Robo Grendizer), Albator (Captain Herlock), Le Petit Castor, Astro le Petit Robot (Astroboy), Demetan, Cat's Eye, and so on. Those shows were awesome and they made me a weeb decades before "weeb" was a term. Japan don't treat their children like idiots and it shown.

Then, after around 1987, Radio Canada ditch ALL anime and the Saturday mornings literally turned into the Disney Chanel. No "toy commercial" cartoons" either at the other chanel, and the Karens even killed the French dub of the WWF. At 12, I felt like a nostalgic old fart...

Speaking of old farts, kids these days are damn lucky. Because we were too poor to have Cable as a child, I was stuck with only 3 French channels. A 4th one appeared when I was 11 though. That new channel only shown old show at it's beginning so I watch a lot of Flintstones (dubbed in Québécois French). I didn't knew a single English word at the time so I never watched the 2 English channels we had. That 5 or 6 chanel total.

Kids these days have an infinity of options with a million chanel and the internet at their fingertips. So they are not stuck at watching subpart shows or shows they don't like.

These days, if kids want to watch Transformers, they can watch any shows at any time however they want, whenever they want.

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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:45 am

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I think what happens is sometimes some fans take the events of TF:TM, and even GI Joe:TM (which arguably had a higher degree of violence), and project it onto the entire series, which isn't quite accurate.

While I do agree that all the toy-based animated series from the 80's were marketed towards younger children, I could see some of them at least being enjoyed by teens and even adults, even if they weren't the target audience.

I mean I know pop culture overall would like to place villains such as Megatron, Cobra Commander, Skeletor, and Mumm-Ra in the same villains old folks home. However, while they all had silly moments at times, I'd say Skeletor was by far the silliest. I remember my Dad complaining about how awfully silly he was, not so with some of the other villains.

The same could be said today. I've shown my kids a TON of older shows, but they have their own interests. I can enjoy some of the shows my kids watch. Others I just have to leave the room, because clearly, they aren't intended for me.

Also to be fair, the OP mentioned Robotech and Vehicle Voltron. Those shows had to be edited quite a bit to remove the more violent aspects of their original anime counterparts (Macross, Southern Cross, Mospeada) and for VV (Dairugger XV which IMHO is absolutely amazing and highly underrated). But with Robotech, I know the romance angle still came through quite a bit. But that is to be expected, even from an edited anime- a different culture that doesn't dumb down shows for kids as often.

Just as a brief example- Try watching the Dungeons and Dragons animated series vs He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (both premiered in 1983). Yes they are both for kids, but there is defintely a tonal difference.
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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby TFfan1 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:00 pm

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Ah, reminds me of when I was a wee sprog with my Armada figures. I'm glad the target demographic enjoys the toys. As someone who grew up with the Unicron Trilogy, I'll always be able to appreciate simple figures with fun gimmicks, although I do wish Hasbro would cut down on collector-aimed content and focused on the kids, I feel like it isn't fair they get the short end of the toy quality stick.
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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:12 pm

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TFfan1 wrote:Ah, reminds me of when I was a wee sprog with my Armada figures. I'm glad the target demographic enjoys the toys. As someone who grew up with the Unicron Trilogy, I'll always be able to appreciate simple figures with fun gimmicks, although I do wish Hasbro would cut down on collector-aimed content and focused on the kids, I feel like it isn't fair they get the short end of the toy quality stick.


I wouldn't say the short end per se, ever compared them to other toys of the same age range?
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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby Ultra Markus » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:27 pm

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well g1 was also geared towards kids as was everything else in transformers up until playschools gobots and now rescue bots
do they think kids nowadays are less capable of playing with more complicated toys? :-?
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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:36 pm

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Ultra Markus wrote:well g1 was also geared towards kids as was everything else in transformers up until playschools gobots and now rescue bots
do they think kids nowadays are less capable of playing with more complicated toys? :-?


It's easy to think so, but I like to think it more as "more accessible" by lowering the difficulty bar. From One-Step to the Deluxes, and the option to "upgrade" to Generations, there's something for every difficulty and comfort level... like most of G1 did, really, not counting the My First Transformers range.

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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:43 pm

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Ultra Markus wrote:do they think kids nowadays are less capable of playing with more complicated toys? :-?



Know what? I think so.
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Also, playing "dangerous" games outside at recess and out of school was a thing.

But in current year, even grown adults are treated (and act) like toddlers . A result for overprotecting our children since at least 3 generations.

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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:50 pm

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I tend to agree. I mean I remember I was 9 when Jetfire came out in 1985, and my 11 year old friend got him. It was complicated, but not beyond our ability to enjoy. Transformers were definitely seen as a superior toy but also very expensive. My parents could get 4 He-Man figures for the cost of 1 average Transformer. Also if it came to choosing between one expensive Transformer vs a Castle Grayskull playset, obviously one goes a lot further than the other. Still, while I obviously am not a fan of Cyberverse, I understand their place. There is definitely some wide range for sure. The same age that targets Cyberverse also can attract some of the more complicated Lego sets, so there is some variance for sure.

Some 9 year olds might enjoy Cyberverse, and some might be into WFC, and some might be into SS.
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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:45 am

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Ultra Markus wrote:well g1 was also geared towards kids as was everything else in transformers up until playschools gobots and now rescue bots
do they think kids nowadays are less capable of playing with more complicated toys? :-?


Was all of G1 geared towards 3-5 year olds? I dont think so. With Cyberverse, you cover a younger audience and you can replicate the speed of transformation seen on screen with the one steps. Plus, G1 also had super simple toys too like the jumpstarters. Optimus prime and Bumblebee were ridiculously simple toys too. Cyberverse is bringing that spirit of easy transformations that some G1 toys had but standardising it per class and ensuring greater cartoon accuracy.

o.supreme wrote:I tend to agree. I mean I remember I was 9 when Jetfire came out in 1985, and my 11 year old friend got him. It was complicated, but not beyond our ability to enjoy.


The generations lines is 8 years old + these days and the toys are more complex than G1 Jetfire. So theres no indication that they are dumbing things down for kids of the ages you mention. They just have a wider variety of product for a bigger age range from birth to pre adolescence.

The cyberverse line isnt meant for 8 year olds or over.
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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:14 am

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Also rather then dumbing down, companies want to save money where they can, this is we lost metal content and other things as the cost to male the toy rose, so Hasbro did what they could to make sure the profit ratio was the same.
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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:11 am

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I've not seen any WFC toy that is more complicated than the original Jetfire. That Macross Valkyrie design is pretty great from an engineering point of view. Only Masterpiece and 3P have I seen that are more complex.

Also if Cyberverse isn't for 8 year olds who is it for? 6-7 that's a pretty small range considering Rescue Bots is 3-5.
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Re: Transformers Cyberverse Toyline Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:34 am

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o.supreme wrote:I've not seen any WFC toy that is more complicated than the original Jetfire. That Macross Valkyrie design is pretty great from an engineering point of view. Only Masterpiece and 3P have I seen that are more complex.

Also if Cyberverse isn't for 8 year olds who is it for? 6-7 that's a pretty small range considering Rescue Bots is 3-5.

It has over lap with rescue bots.
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