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Posted: **Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:19 pm**

Starscream GaGa wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote:So you admit I'm right by attempting to dodge the matter at hand? Thank you for being honest.

What matter? Just above that post I had said that I'm not denying that DOTM had good Special Effects and Sound. Your post as a whole was entirely irrelevant.

Of course, one could point out that movies such as Citizen Kane are constantly acknowledged for their success, unlike Transformers and as such are completely incomparable, but meh.

I guess billions in revenue is pretty much a complete failure of a film, right? Or maybe the opinions of all those people who enjoyed them despite critical opinion? Or maybe all those new fans of Transformers we have now due to the films release? There are many roads to success, not just the ones you choose to suit your worldview.

I'll be polite and wait for you to raise the goalpost like someone who apparently doesn't care. :roll:

In before: "popularity doesn't mean it's good." Whether it was good or not is subjective.

Posted: **Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:41 pm**

Am I pissed off that the TF franchise didn't get any recognition? No. We all knew it wouldn't happen. The crime isn't against Bay, it isn't against or our beloved obsession. I'm angered on behalf of the men and women who spent months putting so much effort and advancing the technology and basically carrying every damn film that was nominated not getting the recognition they deserve. It would be like me spending a month working 10 to 12 hour days in a million dollar house giving a fussy homeowner every last little detail that pops into their head for cabinetry and trim, putting up with their bull-sh** and nitpicking and at the end of it all the say "Oh, o.k., cool...here's your check. Bye Bye!" and dismissing me like it's run of the mill stuff. Hell No!! The work these guys do is one of the highest hybrid forms of art and science and most of the rest of the industry doesn't give a rats ass. As a craftsman that has to blend art and science to pull off the work that I do, I can full appreciate how these guys feel when they get shafted and the teams that worked on DotM AND Real Steel DEFINITELY got screwed over. As much of a joke as the whole Oscar process is, just having the word Oscar anywhere on your resume puts you to the top of the stack of applicants anywhere you go later and there's guys out there using that fact that don't deserve to. THIS is where the injustice lies. Industry hacks riding someone else's coat-tails to get what they don't deserve.

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:35 am**

T-Macksimus wrote:Am I pissed off that the TF franchise didn't get any recognition? No. We all knew it wouldn't happen. The crime isn't against Bay, it isn't against or our beloved obsession. I'm angered on behalf of the men and women who spent months putting so much effort and advancing the technology and basically carrying every damn film that was nominated not getting the recognition they deserve. It would be like me spending a month working 10 to 12 hour days in a million dollar house giving a fussy homeowner every last little detail that pops into their head for cabinetry and trim, putting up with their bull-sh** and nitpicking and at the end of it all the say "Oh, o.k., cool...here's your check. Bye Bye!" and dismissing me like it's run of the mill stuff. Hell No!! The work these guys do is one of the highest hybrid forms of art and science and most of the rest of the industry doesn't give a rats ass. As a craftsman that has to blend art and science to pull off the work that I do, I can full appreciate how these guys feel when they get shafted and the teams that worked on DotM AND Real Steel DEFINITELY got screwed over. As much of a joke as the whole Oscar process is, just having the word Oscar anywhere on your resume puts you to the top of the stack of applicants anywhere you go later and there's guys out there using that fact that don't deserve to. THIS is where the injustice lies. Industry hacks riding someone else's coat-tails to get what they don't deserve.

But it's not art. The people who thought Garfield is four star quality and gave Avatar a Best Picture nomination said so. :roll:

Sarcasm translation: Yeah, the Oscars are a laughing stock supported by their own blind devotees in the industry. I say frak the lot of them.

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:48 am**

I made this for all of you who feel the same way I do.

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:01 am**

Starscream GaGa wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:If it weren't for the Oscars movies like The King's Speech, A Beautiful Mind, and Gandhi would never have been made. That's my point, they make the same cookie cutter Oscarbait movies every year just so they can win a trophy and feel important. Rarely are these movies memorable. Take 2008 for example, what won best picture? Slumdog Millionaire. What else came out in 2008? The Dark Knight, which wasn't even nominated. Which movie has already been forgotten and which is going to be a classic? I'll give you a clue, nobody is eager to see The Slumdog Rises. They give these trophies to the movies that follow the same formula, whether or not they're the best. That's what makes it a circle jerking joke. It's not "Best Picture" or "Best Visual Effects" it's Best Picture and Visual Effects that follows the same recipe year after year.

OK, two things here:

The Dark Knight is part of nerd culture and already had a huge fanbase because of the previous Batman comics, movies and TV shows. It got a huge amount of attention due to Heath Ledger dying and actually did win a lot of awards. Slumdog Millionare was a stand-alone movie.

Secondly, DOTM is not a classic and simple things like Hugh Jackman's opening to the 2008 Oscars is far more memorable than the entire flick.

I'm not denying there is such a thing as Oscar bait, but really, I can just imagine the fanwank that would occur had DOTM won an award. This site, for instance, would be shoe-horning "Oscar-Award Winning DOTM" on every second news post. Transfans would care if DOTM had won an award.

The Dark Knight didn't succeed just because it was a Batman movie. Remember Batman and Robin? It bombed because it was awful despite it being a Batman movie. The point I was making is even though Slumdog Millionaire won best picture the Dark Knight is the better film. It made a much bigger impact, everyone was talking about it, and I'll be damned surprised if it's not considered a classic in the future. Like Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Jaws, and Back to the Future. None of which won best picture, but are more remembered and known than the movies that did. When is the last time you heard anyone mention Slumdog Millionaire? Probably the Monday after it won best picture around the water cooler at work.

No one is saying DotM should have won best picture, but the fact that it lost on visual effects is an insult to the people at ILM.

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:32 pm**

Evil_the_Nub wrote:
Starscream GaGa wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:If it weren't for the Oscars movies like The King's Speech, A Beautiful Mind, and Gandhi would never have been made. That's my point, they make the same cookie cutter Oscarbait movies every year just so they can win a trophy and feel important. Rarely are these movies memorable. Take 2008 for example, what won best picture? Slumdog Millionaire. What else came out in 2008? The Dark Knight, which wasn't even nominated. Which movie has already been forgotten and which is going to be a classic? I'll give you a clue, nobody is eager to see The Slumdog Rises. They give these trophies to the movies that follow the same formula, whether or not they're the best. That's what makes it a circle jerking joke. It's not "Best Picture" or "Best Visual Effects" it's Best Picture and Visual Effects that follows the same recipe year after year.

OK, two things here:

The Dark Knight is part of nerd culture and already had a huge fanbase because of the previous Batman comics, movies and TV shows. It got a huge amount of attention due to Heath Ledger dying and actually did win a lot of awards. Slumdog Millionare was a stand-alone movie.

Secondly, DOTM is not a classic and simple things like Hugh Jackman's opening to the 2008 Oscars is far more memorable than the entire flick.

I'm not denying there is such a thing as Oscar bait, but really, I can just imagine the fanwank that would occur had DOTM won an award. This site, for instance, would be shoe-horning "Oscar-Award Winning DOTM" on every second news post. Transfans would care if DOTM had won an award.

The Dark Knight didn't succeed just because it was a Batman movie. Remember Batman and Robin? It bombed because it was awful despite it being a Batman movie. The point I was making is even though Slumdog Millionaire won best picture the Dark Knight is the better film. It made a much bigger impact, everyone was talking about it, and I'll be damned surprised if it's not considered a classic in the future. Like Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Jaws, and Back to the Future. None of which won best picture, but are more remembered and known than the movies that did. When is the last time you heard anyone mention Slumdog Millionaire? Probably the Monday after it won best picture around the water cooler at work.

No one is saying DotM should have won best picture, but the fact that it lost on visual effects is an insult to the people at ILM.

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:51 pm**

Spleenzorio wrote:I made this for all of you who feel the same way I do.

This.

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