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[Hellscream9999]

And Underbite doesn't have wings.

And with how different Sky Lynx is from Underbite, Underbite would be best getting his own mold for such an endeavor.

I know it's wrong, but I just want something other than the griffin. Even if I have to grasp at straws. I don't care if it actually looks any more like Underbite than the most of the figures from Machine Wars resemble the traditional portrayal of their characters.

I just feel like getting a toy of the griffon will be he point at which it's official that nothing outside of the G1 cartoon is allowed to matter (other than the Bay movies, and those only while their release is still relatively recent) and those of us who prefer Beast Wars or whatever should pack up and go home.

I guess you missed the Hatchet discussion.



Edit: Oh, wait, never mind. You want something outside the film, too...

I feel for you regarding Beast Wars, except we just got some for Thrilling 30.

Not thrilled with Hatchet, but could live with it.

And yeah, we got all of three Beast Wars figures in a 30th anniversary celebrating the history of the franchise with almost entirely G1 guys. Four if you count the legends Starscream/Waspinator set. Which is admittedly better acknowledgement than anything after Armada got.

I feel for you regarding Beast Wars, except we just got some for Thrilling 30.

Yeah, but it's been nothing but variations of G1 for the last half decade or so; it kinda wears thin after a while

And on and off before that, going back all the way to Alternators, and even a few popping up prior to that in Armada.

Yeah, it's gotten a little old

[fenrir72]

Taking a deep breathe............Hasbro/TT(?), I do hope you are insulting your rabid fans by just releasing a lazy partial retool of Scattershot? At least go the distance and give his Supermode head a new sculpt.

You did it for Bruticus so why not Scattershot?

It is a very good question. Makes me think that they really have no plans for Technobot limbs and that he'll just be another Cyclonus. A torso with no "official" limbs.
"It's just a flesh wound!"

IF it is true, it would seem to be a rather giant middle finger to all the G1'ers here

Speaking of G1, even though I was born in 88, I find that G1 scattershot alt mode really cool looking. I much preffer that bulky cannon/cockpit that makes up the ship rather than just have a long narrow cockpit which seems very much apart from the rest of the ship.

Yeah, I've messed with it, it is pretty cool, it had a sorta w.m.d. feel about it, or something that would be in star wars (a cockpit on a giant cannon)

And, ya know? I was thinking that the silverbolt legs actually help enhance his resemblance to his G1 incarnation, that breeze block undercarriage is finally pulling it's own weight.

No problem with the flying space canon with wings. HeckSuperion's Deryfied version had a mouth guard over the actual toy but Computron "should" have a mouth at least. I mean, they changed the gave Scattershot a new head sculpt, at least go the distance with what you started (HB that is)

Give us a good "Head"!

[Rodimus Prime]

To those of you who already own Hot Spot/the Protectobots, are you happy with the figures? I'm just curious, as I'm planning on picking them up, but I'm kind of undecided about Hot Spot right now.

I know I'm a little late, but I like the protectobots. But if you get them, do yourself a favor and GET ROOK, he's great and people seem to be skipping him left and right because he's a new guy.

Funny you say that, I was actually gonna pass on Rook and get Prowl instead to be the "new" member of the Protectobots. He and Streetwise are the same mold, correct? But now I might just go with Rook anyway.

Also, I got Cyclonus as well, just because in hand he looks so damn good. And I picked up the Stunticon limbs (again) to go with him. Y'know, purple hands and feet. As for Scattershot, I don't think he will be like Cyclonus and be a torso without official limbs, simply because he did have official limbs in G1, so I think he will have them in CW as well. I think Hasbro plans to reveal them all at once when they're ready. After all, Computron is not planned for release until after Bruticus, correct?

[Cobotron]

RP, I know you're not a fan of the "new guys", but Rook is just a really fun and cool toy. You'll be happy with him.

[steals_your_goats]

To those of you who already own Hot Spot/the Protectobots, are you happy with the figures? I'm just curious, as I'm planning on picking them up, but I'm kind of undecided about Hot Spot right now.

I know I'm a little late, but I like the protectobots. But if you get them, do yourself a favor and GET ROOK, he's great and people seem to be skipping him left and right because he's a new guy.

Funny you say that, I was actually gonna pass on Rook and get Prowl instead to be the "new" member of the Protectobots. He and Streetwise are the same mold, correct? But now I might just go with Rook anyway.

Also, I got Cyclonus as well, just because in hand he looks so damn good. And I picked up the Stunticon limbs (again) to go with him. Y'know, purple hands and feet. As for Scattershot, I don't think he will be like Cyclonus and be a torso without official limbs, simply because he did have official limbs in G1, so I think he will have them in CW as well. I think Hasbro plans to reveal them all at once when they're ready. After all, Computron is not planned for release until after Bruticus, correct?

Scattershot is supposed to be the wave mate Voyager with onslaught. There's still no official word on a full Computron.

[Bradimus]

Silverbolt to Scattershot isn't perfect in vehicle, but it could have worked in robot and torso modes. Simply put, the mold needs a new head for robot (did that), and a new chest piece design as well. The torso mode needs the Superion head with a mouth and the proper colors as well as new interlocking chest plates to make it look like Computron. Fact is if that's done right it works brilliantly. For vehicle mode it needs new wings and a new nose (they did both of those), as well as eliminating the fins on the tale. In place of the tale fins should be a slot for a pistol that looks like the shoulder cannons from the original toy. Finally, he needs a new gun in brown. I might dig that, but that's not what Hasbro is doing. Takara, on the other hand just might do right by this figure. That's the figure Hasbro might later bring over, along with the rest of the limbs should Takara release a Computron.

[Shockwave7]

Excited to see more of Bruticus. But the codpiece and the thigh joints worry me a little. Defensor doesn't have very good leg poseability in and of itself. The first images had Bruticus' legs extended ala Defensor, and the looked awkwardly far apart from the codpiece. This shot has the legs lowered down (the way some people do with Menasor), but the codpiece is in the way, and in combined mode, the legs won't be straight that way, and the figure wouldn't stand well.

Hope they tweak the leg ratchets like they did with the White Optimus....

[chuckdawg1999]

Excited to see more of Bruticus. But the codpiece and the thigh joints worry me a little. Defensor doesn't have very good leg poseability in and of itself. The first images had Bruticus' legs extended ala Defensor, and the looked awkwardly far apart from the codpiece. This shot has the legs lowered down (the way some people do with Menasor), but the codpiece is in the way, and in combined mode, the legs won't be straight that way, and the figure wouldn't stand well.

Hope they tweak the leg ratchets like they did with the White Optimus....

I think the legs on Bruticus are miss-transformed so the torso can stand for the pic.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

RP, I know you're not a fan of the "new guys", but Rook is just a really fun and cool toy. You'll be happy with him.

Rook is an awesome little guy. I have heard many reviewers say he is the winner of the wave and really makes an awesome arm. Big and bulky, good for an awesome punch. Besides: First Aid looks better as a let than as an arm

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Excited to see more of Bruticus. But the codpiece and the thigh joints worry me a little. Defensor doesn't have very good leg poseability in and of itself. The first images had Bruticus' legs extended ala Defensor, and the looked awkwardly far apart from the codpiece. This shot has the legs lowered down (the way some people do with Menasor), but the codpiece is in the way, and in combined mode, the legs won't be straight that way, and the figure wouldn't stand well.

Hope they tweak the leg ratchets like they did with the White Optimus....

I think the legs on Bruticus are miss-transformed so the torso can stand for the pic.

They are mistransformed to stand. they would be turned 90 degrees so the wider part was forward and the feet were facing opposite directions

[Hellscream9999]

Excited to see more of Bruticus. But the codpiece and the thigh joints worry me a little. Defensor doesn't have very good leg poseability in and of itself. The first images had Bruticus' legs extended ala Defensor, and the looked awkwardly far apart from the codpiece. This shot has the legs lowered down (the way some people do with Menasor), but the codpiece is in the way, and in combined mode, the legs won't be straight that way, and the figure wouldn't stand well.

Hope they tweak the leg ratchets like they did with the White Optimus....

I think the legs on Bruticus are miss-transformed so the torso can stand for the pic.

They are mistransformed to stand. they would be turned 90 degrees so the wider part was forward and the feet were facing opposite directions

Of course they're mistransformed, we've seen it done correctly at botcon, and the art, stop freaking out

[DedicatedGhostArt]

I'm so excited about Bruticus!!!

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Excited to see more of Bruticus. But the codpiece and the thigh joints worry me a little. Defensor doesn't have very good leg poseability in and of itself. The first images had Bruticus' legs extended ala Defensor, and the looked awkwardly far apart from the codpiece. This shot has the legs lowered down (the way some people do with Menasor), but the codpiece is in the way, and in combined mode, the legs won't be straight that way, and the figure wouldn't stand well.

Hope they tweak the leg ratchets like they did with the White Optimus....

I think the legs on Bruticus are miss-transformed so the torso can stand for the pic.

They are mistransformed to stand. they would be turned 90 degrees so the wider part was forward and the feet were facing opposite directions

Of course they're mistransformed, we've seen it done correctly at botcon, and the art, stop freaking out

I personally thought the legs worked out nicely on Defensor, considering if any he has the best thighs area (think, supportive, and has the regular figure posability.) And I don't think anyone we freaking out here. Just mis-informed.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

(moved to the right thread.)

They still did a good job, it's making me wanna now get the CW figure.

then get him! The re-release that comes alongside is supposed to have the remolded hips so he can stand better

So they ARE re-releasing him? I was hoping they would, but I didn't know it was for certain! If they are than yay!

I am Btw designing my own Motormaster torso, but it wouldn't hurt to get the CW version to hold me over till I'm done.

They are with BCOP.

I already know about the BCOP, but I didn't know he had confirmation that we were getting Motormaster with the fixed hips too.

[Hellscream9999]

Excited to see more of Bruticus. But the codpiece and the thigh joints worry me a little. Defensor doesn't have very good leg poseability in and of itself. The first images had Bruticus' legs extended ala Defensor, and the looked awkwardly far apart from the codpiece. This shot has the legs lowered down (the way some people do with Menasor), but the codpiece is in the way, and in combined mode, the legs won't be straight that way, and the figure wouldn't stand well.

Hope they tweak the leg ratchets like they did with the White Optimus....

I think the legs on Bruticus are miss-transformed so the torso can stand for the pic.

They are mistransformed to stand. they would be turned 90 degrees so the wider part was forward and the feet were facing opposite directions

Of course they're mistransformed, we've seen it done correctly at botcon, and the art, stop freaking out

I personally thought the legs worked out nicely on Defensor, considering if any he has the best thighs area (think, supportive, and has the regular figure posability.) And I don't think anyone we freaking out here. Just mis-informed.

People did the same thing with hotspot when his head was facing the wrong way in the bucket in alt mode, people were like: 'this is terrible', 3p better', 'lazy design', when we just had seen a day ago that his head was hidden in his bucket.

Not to mention they did the same thing when superion and menasor were revealed and the limbs were a little messed up and people were decrying this line as a failure - yet the stock footage clearly showed what they were going to look like.

And yet even now, we've seen him properly transformed in real life, we have the photos here, we know he's hotspot, and will therefore have the same leg design, yet here we go again


But I do agree that doing something to the thigh ratchets so that he doesn't have that heavy-handed lean would be nice, but folding the chest plate down in torso mode (the proper way, on defensor you can leave it up) actually does help a lot to mitigate this problem.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

(moved to the right thread.)

They still did a good job, it's making me wanna now get the CW figure.

then get him! The re-release that comes alongside is supposed to have the remolded hips so he can stand better

So they ARE re-releasing him? I was hoping they would, but I didn't know it was for certain! If they are than yay!

I am Btw designing my own Motormaster torso, but it wouldn't hurt to get the CW version to hold me over till I'm done.

They are with BCOP.

I already know about the BCOP, but I didn't know he had confirmation that we were getting Motormaster with the fixed hips too.

Takara had the hips fixed, and TFWiki had a user get the new MM and he had the fixed hips

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Excited to see more of Bruticus. But the codpiece and the thigh joints worry me a little. Defensor doesn't have very good leg poseability in and of itself. The first images had Bruticus' legs extended ala Defensor, and the looked awkwardly far apart from the codpiece. This shot has the legs lowered down (the way some people do with Menasor), but the codpiece is in the way, and in combined mode, the legs won't be straight that way, and the figure wouldn't stand well.

Hope they tweak the leg ratchets like they did with the White Optimus....

I think the legs on Bruticus are miss-transformed so the torso can stand for the pic.

They are mistransformed to stand. they would be turned 90 degrees so the wider part was forward and the feet were facing opposite directions

Of course they're mistransformed, we've seen it done correctly at botcon, and the art, stop freaking out

I personally thought the legs worked out nicely on Defensor, considering if any he has the best thighs area (think, supportive, and has the regular figure posability.) And I don't think anyone we freaking out here. Just mis-informed.

People did the same thing with hotspot when his head was facing the wrong way in the bucket in alt mode, people were like: 'this is terrible', 3p better', 'lazy design', when we just had seen a day ago that his head was hidden in his bucket.

Not to mention they did the same thing when superion and menasor were revealed and the limbs were a little messed up and people were decrying this line as a failure -yet the stock footage clearly showed what they were going to look like.

And yet even now, we've seen him properly transformed in real life, we have the photos here, we know he's hotspot, and will therefore have the same leg design, yet here we go again

People will always make your head spin. you just gotta grab hold and screw their's back in place mi amigo
I look forward to getting Defensor. the guys are supposed to be arriving within the next week!

[Hellscream9999]

Excited to see more of Bruticus. But the codpiece and the thigh joints worry me a little. Defensor doesn't have very good leg poseability in and of itself. The first images had Bruticus' legs extended ala Defensor, and the looked awkwardly far apart from the codpiece. This shot has the legs lowered down (the way some people do with Menasor), but the codpiece is in the way, and in combined mode, the legs won't be straight that way, and the figure wouldn't stand well.

Hope they tweak the leg ratchets like they did with the White Optimus....

I think the legs on Bruticus are miss-transformed so the torso can stand for the pic.

They are mistransformed to stand. they would be turned 90 degrees so the wider part was forward and the feet were facing opposite directions

Of course they're mistransformed, we've seen it done correctly at botcon, and the art, stop freaking out

I personally thought the legs worked out nicely on Defensor, considering if any he has the best thighs area (think, supportive, and has the regular figure posability.) And I don't think anyone we freaking out here. Just mis-informed.

People did the same thing with hotspot when his head was facing the wrong way in the bucket in alt mode, people were like: 'this is terrible', 3p better', 'lazy design', when we just had seen a day ago that his head was hidden in his bucket.

Not to mention they did the same thing when superion and menasor were revealed and the limbs were a little messed up and people were decrying this line as a failure -yet the stock footage clearly showed what they were going to look like.

And yet even now, we've seen him properly transformed in real life, we have the photos here, we know he's hotspot, and will therefore have the same leg design, yet here we go again

People will always make your head spin. you just gotta grab hold and screw their's back in place mi amigo
I look forward to getting Defensor. the guys are supposed to be arriving within the next week!

I wish they had remolded blades to look more like a rescue chopper; they could have given his arms wings, and put the rescue winch on the side of his leg; it would've really help set him apart a little from a/b.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

People will always make your head spin. you just gotta grab hold and screw their's back in place mi amigo
I look forward to getting Defensor. the guys are supposed to be arriving within the next week!

I wish they had remolded blades to look more like a rescue chopper; they could have given his arms wings, and put the rescue winch on the side of his leg; it would've really help set him apart a little from a/b.

I can agree with you there. He could have used the retooled arms from Victorion, but nah, he is a violent sociopath, give a rescue chopper missles!

[Hellscream9999]

People will always make your head spin. you just gotta grab hold and screw their's back in place mi amigo
I look forward to getting Defensor. the guys are supposed to be arriving within the next week!

I wish they had remolded blades to look more like a rescue chopper; they could have given his arms wings, and put the rescue winch on the side of his leg; it would've really help set him apart a little from a/b.

I can agree with you there. He could have used the retooled arms from Victorion, but nah, he is a violent sociopath, give a rescue chopper missles!

I mean, I appreciate the humor, but this is pretty lazy, and that it 'fits his personality' that he developed at some point, is a pretty weak cop out

[DedicatedGhostArt]

People will always make your head spin. you just gotta grab hold and screw their's back in place mi amigo
I look forward to getting Defensor. the guys are supposed to be arriving within the next week!

I wish they had remolded blades to look more like a rescue chopper; they could have given his arms wings, and put the rescue winch on the side of his leg; it would've really help set him apart a little from a/b.

I can agree with you there. He could have used the retooled arms from Victorion, but nah, he is a violent sociopath, give a rescue chopper missles!

I mean, I appreciate the humor, but this is pretty lazy, and that it 'fits his personality' that he developed at some point, is a pretty weak cop out

Yeah, some "rescue" chopper, that kills with huge missiles. That's one reason why I’m waiting for Bruticus, instead of getting Defensor, because the molds work better for the Combaticons than the Protectobots.

(moved to the right thread.)

They still did a good job, it's making me wanna now get the CW figure.

then get him! The re-release that comes alongside is supposed to have the remolded hips so he can stand better

So they ARE re-releasing him? I was hoping they would, but I didn't know it was for certain! If they are than yay!

I am Btw designing my own Motormaster torso, but it wouldn't hurt to get the CW version to hold me over till I'm done.

They are with BCOP.

I already know about the BCOP, but I didn't know he had confirmation that we were getting Motormaster with the fixed hips too.

Takara had the hips fixed, and TFWiki had a user get the new MM and he had the fixed hips

I know the Takara one has fixed hips, but are there Hasbro ones with fixed hips? What do you mean by the "new" Motormaster?

[steals_your_goats]

People will always make your head spin. you just gotta grab hold and screw their's back in place mi amigo
I look forward to getting Defensor. the guys are supposed to be arriving within the next week!

I wish they had remolded blades to look more like a rescue chopper; they could have given his arms wings, and put the rescue winch on the side of his leg; it would've really help set him apart a little from a/b.

I can agree with you there. He could have used the retooled arms from Victorion, but nah, he is a violent sociopath, give a rescue chopper missles!

I mean, I appreciate the humor, but this is pretty lazy, and that it 'fits his personality' that he developed at some point, is a pretty weak cop out

Yeah, some "rescue" chopper, that kills with huge missiles. That's one reason why I’m waiting for Bruticus, instead of getting Defensor, because the molds work better for the Combaticons than the Protectobots.

That's not entirely true, while vortex works better than blades I think hot spot and onslaught are both equally awesome as well as Swindle and Rook

[Hellscream9999]

I know the Takara one has fixed hips, but are there Hasbro ones with fixed hips? What do you mean by the "new" Motormaster?

I presume they mean the newest version of mm that is the wavemate of bcop, the old one is 'discontinued' due to this problem, so they could make the running change, since no one got any re-stock of wave 2.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

People will always make your head spin. you just gotta grab hold and screw their's back in place mi amigo
I look forward to getting Defensor. the guys are supposed to be arriving within the next week!

I wish they had remolded blades to look more like a rescue chopper; they could have given his arms wings, and put the rescue winch on the side of his leg; it would've really help set him apart a little from a/b.

I can agree with you there. He could have used the retooled arms from Victorion, but nah, he is a violent sociopath, give a rescue chopper missles!

I mean, I appreciate the humor, but this is pretty lazy, and that it 'fits his personality' that he developed at some point, is a pretty weak cop out

Even so, still wish they would have remolded him. it is lazy yes, that we agree on

[D-Maximal_Primal]

People will always make your head spin. you just gotta grab hold and screw their's back in place mi amigo
I look forward to getting Defensor. the guys are supposed to be arriving within the next week!

I wish they had remolded blades to look more like a rescue chopper; they could have given his arms wings, and put the rescue winch on the side of his leg; it would've really help set him apart a little from a/b.

I can agree with you there. He could have used the retooled arms from Victorion, but nah, he is a violent sociopath, give a rescue chopper missles!

I mean, I appreciate the humor, but this is pretty lazy, and that it 'fits his personality' that he developed at some point, is a pretty weak cop out

Yeah, some "rescue" chopper, that kills with huge missiles. That's one reason why I’m waiting for Bruticus, instead of getting Defensor, because the molds work better for the Combaticons than the Protectobots.

That's not entirely true, while vortex works better than blades I think hot spot and onslaught are both equally awesome as well as Swindle and Rook

Yeah, I do not think one version fits better than the others. Rook and Swindle equally fit their respective combiners as do Hot Spot and Onslaught, if anything, hot spot works better since he hides his combiner kibble much better in his other 2 modes. Vortex does work better, but then First Aid and Streetwise were brilliant retools and they work so well with Defensor. I would call those 2 equal.