ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:That's what really makes it a failure for me and why I want the Combiner Wars version instead.
RAR wrote:Optimus and Megatron I think size wise would be best as an old fashioned Ultra or a Armada era max-con in size as yes Voyagers are a bit small for some things.
I was more bothered by Jetfire being small than Optimus and Megatron though.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:RAR wrote:Optimus and Megatron I think size wise would be best as an old fashioned Ultra or a Armada era max-con in size as yes Voyagers are a bit small for some things.
I was more bothered by Jetfire being small than Optimus and Megatron though.
Voyager is fine for G1 Optimus and Megatron (their original toys were Deluxe size not counting the accessories, so going to Voyager is appropriate for size-catchup), it's just that Classics Optimus feels like kinda a midget Voyager compared to Classics Megs, the Classics/Universe Autobot cars (who are Deluxe in comparison to their Scout-size original toys), and CW Optimus (it's kinda funny, I hate CW Jetfire even though he's also more size-appropriate than his Classics counterpart, but OTOH the Classics Jetfire mold seems a decidedly better-designed toy, whereas I find CW and Classics Voyager Optimus about even in design quality as individual toys with CW getting a slight edge due to not having wedge-pecs).
Is it known who designed the Combiner Wars car limbs? I want to send them a ruler and a disappointed letter.
william-james88 wrote:Also be weary of hope in this hobby. Hope is just undiscovered disappointment.
Agamemnon, barebacked rider of flying robo-dragon, and not often constipated either...My nephew wrote:Bacon is meat candy.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:So, I said I enjoyed Motormaster as he is, as an individual figure. Which I do. But as a torso... He's not a very good design (and that applies to Optimus Prime too). There's an even bigger issue than the clearance problem caused by the Perma-Angled-for-Dynamic!Posing feet, or the forearms not locking solidly into position in torso mode. An issue I noticed comparing him to Silverbolt and to pics of CW Defensor: The way his arms transform for torso mode means there's a big fat clearance-problem-causing block of plastic forward of either arm connector socket. This issue is not present on the Silverbolt and Hot Spot molds. And it has made up my mind on an idea I've been considering: Heavily rebuilding Motormaster to look and transform more like his G1 toy.
Overcracker wrote:
Or are you referring to the Deluxe Classics Prime.
Optimum Supreme wrote:Trukk mode is pretty crap, but man, I love that robit mode. If only he was a little bigger.
Interestingly enough, when the designer of MP-1 was interviewed about that toy a few years ago, he revealed that he actually based the robot mode design of that figure more off of the CGI robot mode design of G1 Optimus Prime that appeared sleeping inside the Ark in the Beast Wars cartoon, instead of basing it more off of the hand-drawn robot mode design of G1 Optimus Prime from the G1 cartoon itself.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Classics Deluxe Prime, THS-01, and Robot Masters Convoy all have the same problem: They're small toys foolishly trying to imitate the much larger MP-01 (which itself foolishly tried to make Dery's simplified design into a transforming toy).
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Interestingly enough, when the designer of MP-1 was interviewed about that toy a few years ago, he revealed that he actually based the robot mode design of that figure more off of the CGI robot mode design of G1 Optimus Prime that appeared sleeping inside the Ark in the Beast Wars cartoon, instead of basing it more off of the hand-drawn robot mode design of G1 Optimus Prime from the G1 cartoon itself.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Classics Deluxe Prime, THS-01, and Robot Masters Convoy all have the same problem: They're small toys foolishly trying to imitate the much larger MP-01 (which itself foolishly tried to make Dery's simplified design into a transforming toy).
Well, he does size up to the vintage BW toys better than the smaller MP-10 does.Insurgent wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Interestingly enough, when the designer of MP-1 was interviewed about that toy a few years ago, he revealed that he actually based the robot mode design of that figure more off of the CGI robot mode design of G1 Optimus Prime that appeared sleeping inside the Ark in the Beast Wars cartoon, instead of basing it more off of the hand-drawn robot mode design of G1 Optimus Prime from the G1 cartoon itself.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Classics Deluxe Prime, THS-01, and Robot Masters Convoy all have the same problem: They're small toys foolishly trying to imitate the much larger MP-01 (which itself foolishly tried to make Dery's simplified design into a transforming toy).
Cool. Does that mean mp-01 could ve considered a beast wars mp?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
King Kuuga wrote:Oh boy. I just did about 10 pages of catching up in this thread.
First let me say: a Predaking with a same-size class torso would not work. Mastermind tried to make Razorclaw similarly sized but still larger with their Feral Rex and he's STILL too small of a torso for that figure. Unless you can design a Razorclaw that telescopes in every direction for torso mode and is still able to support the limbs (if you want them all voyagers this is an exceptionally challenging task) then it's not happening. Also, remember how Devastator had to compromise his height with extremely hollow parts? Preds would have to do the same thing to be large-scale. As much as I enjoy my Feral Rex, he does not support his own weight very well. (this is compounded by the figures being very heavy and some joints or connections relatively weak) A voyager torso with deluxe limbs Predaking might honestly be the best way to go for him, should that ever happen.
King Kuuga wrote:As far as redesigns of Motormaster go: you may be better off either designing a new figure from the ground up, or buying that third party G1-ish Not-Motormaster that's CW compatible because otherwise you are looking at basically stripping down the figure to a torso and rebuilding the rest with new parts.
"Suponion"?ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Now for my main purpose in returning to this thread:
A cheap name-change joke
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:The G1 Predaking toy had a same-size-class torso and pulled it off, so I think it could work.
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