Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby King Kuuga » Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:54 am

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It may be a smaller run, but the development costs are already paid for, so they only have to recoup the actual production costs, which aren't very substantial when divided across however many thousands of units they're making.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Munkky » Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:16 pm

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I'm taking this reissue announcement to mean that Hasbro aren't planning on making any new G1 Constructicons for a while, which is fair enough, we just got new toys od all of the Michael Bay Constructicons so it's not like there's been no Constructicon love recently. I already have Combiner Wars Devastator and am more or less happy with it, but even so, an all new Devastator with better robot and vehicle modes for the individual Constructicons would be much appreciated.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:32 pm

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Munkky wrote:better robot and vehicle modes for the individual Constructicons


Just curious what do you mean by "better". I feel the CW pretty much nailed the look of original series accuracy, but with modern engineering (and UW did THAT one better). and the recent SS was pretty accurate to the RotF film, and the modern look of current construction vehicles. There are so many 3P Devs out there, as you said I cant see TT/Hasbro taking the time and effort to engineer a new one, if so it would neither be accurate to the toy, or any media representation, so I apologize as I'm not exactly sure what you are hoping for.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:37 pm

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Munkky wrote:I'm taking this reissue announcement to mean that Hasbro aren't planning on making any new G1 Constructicons for a while, which is fair enough, we just got new toys od all of the Michael Bay Constructicons so it's not like there's been no Constructicon love recently. I already have Combiner Wars Devastator and am more or less happy with it, but even so, an all new Devastator with better robot and vehicle modes for the individual Constructicons would be much appreciated.
I think that when he was designed, the designers placed priority on the combined mode first, then went to the vehicle modes (Since they combine in vehicle mode) and finally the individual robots. From what I've seen, the UW version paid more attention to the individuals, but otherwise the only thing that makes that version superior is the paint.

I'm glad that people who missed out on him don't have to pay ridiculous aftermarket prices for him. I owned him for a few years but got bored with messing with him and even looking at him. The fact that he wasn't in scale with the other combiners and his Mixmaster foot was so small always bothered me a bit as well. I ended up selling him a while ago for the price I got him for.

Hopefully the next iteration will consist of 6 deluxes instead of 6 voyagers.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:07 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Hopefully the next iteration will consist of 6 deluxes instead of 6 voyagers.


The Taikongzhans KO is this exactly. CW scaled down to deluxe size, it looks great with the other CW/UW/PotP/Selects Combiners. For a KO it's also one of the most durable I've handled as well.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:11 pm

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o.supreme wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Hopefully the next iteration will consist of 6 deluxes instead of 6 voyagers.


The Taikongzhans KO is this exactly. CW scaled down to deluxe size, it looks great with the other CW/UW/PotP/Selects Combiners. For a KO it's also one of the most durable I've handled as well.


No loss of structural integrity due to the smaller size? Also, what version of the joints does it use: CW or UW?
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:18 pm

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Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
o.supreme wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Hopefully the next iteration will consist of 6 deluxes instead of 6 voyagers.


The Taikongzhans KO is this exactly. CW scaled down to deluxe size, it looks great with the other CW/UW/PotP/Selects Combiners. For a KO it's also one of the most durable I've handled as well.


No loss of structural integrity due to the smaller size? Also, what version of the joints does it use: CW or UW?


Its CW unfortunately, but still looks good. The plastic is not official quality, but for $40 USD, it's the best KO I've ever handled. Solid and no breakage. Other KOs have literally fallen apart as I Transform them, so this was a pleasant surprise.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:29 pm

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Thing people have to remember about the SS Constructicons is that they were able to spread them across the three major scales, can't do that with the G1 guys. I can't see SS86 using the Deluxe and Voyager slots up, especially when they're sharing waves with the regular SS. Are we patient enough to wait a year and a half to complete the team again? Probably, but I'd rather they just did a box set from the start.

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

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o.supreme wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
o.supreme wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Hopefully the next iteration will consist of 6 deluxes instead of 6 voyagers.


The Taikongzhans KO is this exactly. CW scaled down to deluxe size, it looks great with the other CW/UW/PotP/Selects Combiners. For a KO it's also one of the most durable I've handled as well.


No loss of structural integrity due to the smaller size? Also, what version of the joints does it use: CW or UW?


Its CW unfortunately, but still looks good. The plastic is not official quality, but for $40 USD, it's the best KO I've ever handled. Solid and no breakage. Other KOs have literally fallen apart as I Transform them, so this was a pleasant surprise.


Since we're talking KO's, are there any 1:1 ones of some limbs, redecoed out there? I may need a couple for my plans... Don't kill me :PRAY:
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:50 pm

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Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Since we're talking KO's, are there any 1:1 ones of some limbs, redecoed out there? I may need a couple for my plans... Don't kill me :PRAY:
Yeah, let's try to keep KO talk in the KO forum.

All I'll say is that the only reason I didn't get that KO yet is because it has the same gimp Mixmaster foot that the Titan does, except smaller.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

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Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Since we're talking KO's, are there any 1:1 ones of some limbs, redecoed out there? I may need a couple for my plans... Don't kill me :PRAY:
Yeah, let's try to keep KO talk in the KO forum.

All I'll say is that the only reason I didn't get that KO yet is because it has the same gimp Mixmaster foot that the Titan does, except smaller.


Yeah maybe I'll have better luck there. Not enough limbs out there... :BLACKEYE:
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby aronjlove » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:32 am

This reissue releases tomorrow on Amazon and I'm torn. I want him but with all the comments in this thread, it sounds like I'm going to combine him and put him on a shelf. I've been reading a bunch and while this Devastator is awesome, some of the individual figures aren't that great. So, I could spend money on this, or I could go to BBTS and get the Diaclone Bro Cord/Spin-out 2-pacl and maybe an Alternator/Alternity figure. Any opinions to sway me either way?
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:40 am

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It just depends on what you like most. I love Combiners as they are my favorite aspects of TF fiction. However I have the UW version of Devastator, and knowing it is objectively better in almost every way (paint apps aside), I would still be willing to pay more than double on the secondary market for the UW version, rather than settle for the CW version, but I understand my opinion is nor representative of most. The CW Devastator is a great toy in and of itself, if the UW version didn't exist, I'd be happy with it. But if you are not really a fan of the character, then yeah, with $150 you can definitely get a small haul of other TF's instead, might be more satisfying depending on your personal tastes.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby aronjlove » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:48 am

o.supreme wrote:But if you are not really a fan of the character, then yeah, with $150 you can efinitely get a small haul of other TF's instead, might be more satisfying depending on your personal tastes.

I like Devastator but I like the Constructicons too and as individuals, they don't really look as good as other combiner limbs. With Orthia or Abominus, the individuals look just fine next to my other figures. But from the pics I've seen of the Constructicons in robot mode, they lack some 'quality of life' features that other, newer figures have.

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:52 am

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Honestly, over the years I cooled on big Devy a bit. Enough that last summer I sold him and don't miss him at all. Thinking back, he was too big and unwieldy for an actual action figure. The individuals are alright, but too simple. Combined, he looks good on a MP shelf, due to his size, but he's not too posable or playable. A smaller version with all the members being deluxes would be better for actual playing and posing. Especially if they make the individuals more articulated. So like it's bern said, it depends on what you want him for. To look at on a shelf? Then get him, he looks great, especially the UW version. But to handle him and pose him, it's just not worth it to me, he's too clumsy and takes up too much space.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby aronjlove » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:56 am

Rodimus Prime wrote:But to handle him and pose him, it's just not worth it to me, he's too clumsy and takes up too much space.

This is why I collect, I love staging scenes and taking pics. A more posable figure wins for me and one of the Constructicons doesn't even have elbows. I've been without Devy and I think I'll be fine missing out on the rerelease.

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:57 am

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o.supreme wrote:But if you are not really a fan of the character, then yeah, with $150 you can efinitely get a small haul of other TF's instead, might be more satisfying depending on your personal tastes.

I like Devastator but I like the Constructicons too and as individuals, they don't really look as good as other combiner limbs. With Orthia or Abominus, the individuals look just fine next to my other figures. But from the pics I've seen of the Constructicons in robot mode, they lack some 'quality of life' features that other, newer figures have.

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Then dont get it and see if you can save enough for a unite warriors version.

The best individual constructicon is Scrapper but the Hasbro version neuters him by not giving him elbows. The unite warriors version lets him really shine. All other constructicons are improved (long haul is also given elbows) but Scrapper is where the big difference is felt. Plus they wach get individual weapons.

Anyways, if you like them as individuals, then the Hasbro version won't satisfy.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby aronjlove » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:08 am

william-james88 wrote:Then dont get it and see if you can save enough for a unite warriors version.

The best individual constructicon is Scrapper but the Hasbro version neuters him by not giving him elbows. The unite warriors version lets him really shine. All other constructicons are improved (long haul is also given elbows) but Scrapper is where the big difference is felt. Plus they wach get individual weapons.

Anyways, if you like them as individuals, then the Hasbro version won't satisfy.

Yeah, OK. I see BBTS had a pre-order for the UW version dropping this month that sold out. I'll keep my eyes open there to see if they get any more stock in. eBay is also an option but I'd probably look for pre-owned if I go that route. I didn't realize the UW version had that many improvements!

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:18 am

aronjlove wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Then dont get it and see if you can save enough for a unite warriors version.

The best individual constructicon is Scrapper but the Hasbro version neuters him by not giving him elbows. The unite warriors version lets him really shine. All other constructicons are improved (long haul is also given elbows) but Scrapper is where the big difference is felt. Plus they wach get individual weapons.

Anyways, if you like them as individuals, then the Hasbro version won't satisfy.

Yeah, OK. I see BBTS had a pre-order for the UW version dropping this month that sold out. I'll keep my eyes open there to see if they get any more stock in. eBay is also an option but I'd probably look for pre-owned if I go that route. I didn't realize the UW version had that many improvements!

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An in between option you might be able to do is the Hasbro Version plus Perfect Effect kit PC-07. That kit gives you new forearms with elbows for Scrapper, Mixmaster, Hook and Long Haul, as well as individual guns for each bot. Back when he was first released (and TRU still existed in the US) this was a much better deal for me than Takara, as I was able to get Devy on sale plus %15 off for using my TRU credit card. I think the kit new was about $35, so I only paid about $20 more than the regular Hasbro price to essentially get a Takara-lite version (elbows and guns, but no extra pain apps or visor for Devy). The tough part would be finding the PC-07 kit nowadays.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby aronjlove » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:32 am

TF-fan kev777 wrote:The tough part would be finding the PC-07 kit nowadays.

Exactly this. I saw your comments earlier in the thread about the upgrade kit and went looking. The only person selling it is an eBay seller and it was almost as much as the rerelease of CW Devy. If I'm gonna pay that much I want it already assembled. That it must have sold out every time it was released because I can find other Perfect Effect upgrade kits for CW and PotP combiners but not PC-07.

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:34 am

aronjlove wrote:
TF-fan kev777 wrote:The tough part would be finding the PC-07 kit nowadays.

Exactly this. I saw your comments earlier in the thread about the upgrade kit and went looking. The only person selling it is an eBay seller and it was almost as much as the rerelease of CW Devy. If I'm gonna pay that much I want it already assembled. That it must have sold out every time it was released because I can find other Perfect Effect upgrade kits for CW and PotP combiners but not PC-07.

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:shock: I also just checked eBay and holy crap, it is definitely not worth what they are asking.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:41 am

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Also there is a scaled down KO version of the CW Dev. It is defintely not Hasbro/TT quality plastics, but for a KO, it is more stable than others in that, it doesn't brake when you Transform it ;) . The individuals are all deluxe size and scales well with all other Generations Combiners. That's why I have both. UW to go with Siege Omega Supreme and the other Titans, and the KO to go with all my other combiners... It is relatively inexpensive, and if you just want something to sit on a shelf with your other combiners, it is a very nice option.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby aronjlove » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:46 am

o.supreme wrote:Also there is a scaled down KO version of the CW Dev. It is defintely not Hasbro/TT quality plastics, but for a KO, it is more stable than others in that, it doesn't brake when you Transform it ;) . The individuals are all deluxe size and scales well with all other Generations Combiners. That's why I have both. UW to go with Siege Omega Supreme and the other Titans, and the KO to go with all my other combiners... It is relatively inexpensive, and if you just want something to sit on a shelf with your other combiners, it is a very nice option.

Interesting, I might have to take a look. Thanks for the reply!
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby AcademyofDrX » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:11 pm

For the record, I really like the Titan scale in mixed size class displays. My displays use G1 scale, though I'm not rigid on it, and it's really helpful to have Devastator towering over everyone else. Weight and structure do limit the poses you can do, but that's something you can work around with how you pose everyone else.

Nothing wrong with preferring one thing over another, I'm just really happy with what he can do. Not your thing? No loss.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

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o.supreme wrote:It just depends on what you like most. I love Combiners as they are my favorite aspects of TF fiction. However I have the UW version of Devastator, and knowing it is objectively better in almost every way (paint apps aside), I would still be willing to pay more than double on the secondary market for the UW version, rather than settle for the CW version, but I understand my opinion is nor representative of most. The CW Devastator is a great toy in and of itself, if the UW version didn't exist, I'd be happy with it. But if you are not really a fan of the character, then yeah, with $150 you can definitely get a small haul of other TF's instead, might be more satisfying depending on your personal tastes.


You really nailed valid points over all o.supreme! I sympathize for those that didn't have the means then and now for the UW version. And as you pointed out this all boils down to one's own personal taste and possibly what one is willing to burn in cost.

I'm a mad man and I got 2 UW (at 2 different times at great deals) just for the fact of wanting both the Constructicons individually and Devastator assembled and hell yes what a choice I made! :BOWDOWN:

I have yet to open and combine Predaking that I was lucky to get but I know they will look so menacing when I get them side by side.

Aronjlove good luck and "choose...but choose wisely". :VEHI:
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