I guess I would normally have jumped on the "politics doesn't belong here" wagon, or more likely just stepped aside and ignored, but reading through the posts here has been illuminating, and the discussion all the more potent because of the different context in which it exists. There is as much here I find completely depressing as there are moments that refresh my hope in humanity. We're in the age of multiple truths - I
know I'm right (ha) but then I now understand that those on the other side of the coin feel an equal certainty in their views, and I don't know how to feel about that nor process it.
I get that Clinton was no better a vote, I was all about Sanders, but the media shut him down in the same way the media here in the UK did to Corbyn. Funny how those that would bring about fundamental change, make people pay their *****ng taxes, genuinely look out "for the many, not the few" are the ones that were most villified by the media, the owners of which standing to lose the most with fair taxation laws. That fat cats like Trump, Johnson, Osborne, Farage etc can say they represent the working class, and for the Sanders and the Corbyns to be presented as the evil that will bring down society, and for the people to believe that is laughable. Laughable, but not funny.
I get for many it was a vote to move away from the Bush/Clinton status quo, I get wanting change, but jeez surely this was a case of the lesser of two evils, or at least the lesser of two stupids. I mean we're all witnessing Trump's words and actions, I really don't get how people can still defend him, the same as those that voted Brexit are still defending it as a good thing. I loved Eminem's anti Trump rap for what it was. A line drawn in concrete.
The day when half the world see liberalism as a bad thing is a sad day indeed. I'd rather be a snowflake than alt right, fascist lite, any day.
And I am quoting Caelus' earlier post for it's truth and sensibility and for the record vehemently oppose just about every point of Black Cat's dissection of it.
Caelus wrote: Okay, with all the talk about 'blatantly attacking others views' and such, it seems like people may have lost some perspective on the matter. To remind y'all, this is what it looks like when someone blatantly attacks your views:
For all the Trump supporters here whinging and quaking because they feel like their safe-space has been violated by some liberal bias, you're looking for oppression in the wrong place. Seibertron.com does not have a leftist/feminist/liberal/democrat/socialist/atheist/whatever agenda, nor do the admins/staff.
If they did, I'd be a hell of a lot more involved here.
See, I actually am the sort of 'rabid' 'intolerant' liberal that wants to destroy 'your' America. I actually want to amend the constitution to severely limit your access to guns. I want to tax churches. I want to tax the **** out of corporations and people in the top 1%, and I want healthcare, food, and shelter to be basic rights of people living in our country. I don't want creationism taught in schools as a 'science'. I believe sex education should be mandatory in public schools. I don't believe that church marriages should be legally binding institutions of the state, and I don't believe that you have any right to tell two (or more!) consenting adults that they can't live together, raise kids together, or file taxes together. I could go on, but I think I've made my point. Oh, well, a couple of other things I tend to take for granted but seem to be lost on some people - sexual assault is bad, women should receive equal pay for equal work, and cops should be held to a much higher standard than the rest of the population.
I'm not the most liberal person I know, but I'm so liberal, that - hypocrisy be ****ed - if I could deport all of the Trump supporters in exchange for Muslim Mexicans who want to be U.S. citizens, I'd take at most a week to deliberate on the offer.
However, I pretty much minimize my time here, because, guess what? Over the past twelve years or so, opening my leftist/feminist/whatever mouth has generally meant getting treated like **** by other posters, and left hanging by the staff, because - you know - condemning jokes about sexual exploitation of women is too 'political' for such a forum. Among the more (relatively) erudite labels I've been given, I've been dissed as a bleeding-heart, a snowflake, a SJW (because somehow 'social justice' is a bad thing), a 'liberal academic', an 'elitist intellectual', and - my favorite - a "godless atheist" - That was when I lost my staff position, by the way.
So yeah, you really think the staff on this site has some oppressive, liberal agenda?
That's been the best laugh I've had this week.
That 'liberal bias' you think is lurking around every corner? That's moderate Americans exercising their constitutional right to criticize a man so far down the rabbit hole that the left-right spectrum doesn't even make sense in the context of the argument anymore.
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