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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:14 pm

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I wonder if they'll be doing a tie in cartoon for this or just letting it stand on its own. :-?

I'm guessing the latter given that what was the Netflix Exclusive line is rumoured to be given over to the Velocitron line.

By the by, does this mean we're getting two Skids next year or us the MP out end of this year?
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Autobot N » Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:29 pm

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IIRC there's a Knock Out coming in R.E.D at some point so I might get that depending on how the Legacy one looks
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby blackeyedprime » Thu Oct 21, 2021 4:10 pm

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RED Knock out might be my go to as well.

Looking at that fan art of legacy bulkhead I'm just seeing it as a Vehicle mode Rhinox rather than bulkhead which some how makes it way more acceptable to me :/ Weird.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Wolfman Jake » Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:05 pm

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Wolfman Jake wrote:To be fair, we don’t know what the story is yet behind Legacy. It could be that characters native to different universes get reformatted or recontextualized when they come to this G1 inspired universe.


Does the story matter? The story is just there to further sell the toys they were gonna release anyway.


Sometimes, yes. Sometimes no. Transformers Prime was a show first and foremost. The “supporting” toy line came later in development. The Prime toys featured gimmicks that had nothing to do with the actual show. It has and can go either way with Transformers, but nowadays, I’m sure the toys and media are developed in tandem for the most part.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby william-james88 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:54 pm

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Wolfman Jake wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:To be fair, we don’t know what the story is yet behind Legacy. It could be that characters native to different universes get reformatted or recontextualized when they come to this G1 inspired universe.


Does the story matter? The story is just there to further sell the toys they were gonna release anyway.


Sometimes, yes. Sometimes no. Transformers Prime was a show first and foremost. The “supporting” toy line came later in development. The Prime toys featured gimmicks that had nothing to do with the actual show. It has and can go either way with Transformers, but nowadays, I’m sure the toys and media are developed in tandem for the most part.


I meant story like how Hasbro frames a generations toyline, not something linked to a cartoon.
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Legacy Bulkhead Designer Writes about Making him look G1 and More Pulsecon Details

Postby william-james88 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:06 pm

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Mark Maher, one of the lead Transformers designers at Hasbro, has made a post on Instagram talking about the upcoming "G1" Bulkhead. He will be presenting this toy and others from Legacy tomorrow at Pulsecon. Speaking of Pulsecon, the schedule has changed There will noe be an entire other Transformers segment dedicated to the entertainment side of things like video games and the Rise of the Beasts film. There will even be a Vince DiCola concert. The details are below. Here is the link to the youtube page where the event will be shown.

"I felt honored to finally be able to make Bulkhead look like he belongs in our G1 universe! Yuta san really helped me make this guy amazing! Be sure to watch me at Pulsecon to talk about the details on these guys!


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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:01 pm

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Well, thank you for trying, but in this G1 fan's opinion you missed the mark. (No pun intended.) This figure looks more like it belongs in UT or even borderline Cyberverse.

You did well on Skids, though, even if he's a bit simple. Here's hoping the Legacy line gets better from here.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby william-james88 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:04 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:You did well on Skids, though, even if he's a bit simple.


Speaking of borderline Cyberverse
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:12 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:You did well on Skids, though, even if he's a bit simple.


Speaking of borderline Cyberverse
The difference is that Bulkhead is a larger figure, thus should be a bit more complex. I'm basing this just on what we have seen so far, but both of these figures seem like they have a very similar transformation. It's a bit easier to get past it on a smaller figure than a larger one. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:15 pm

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"To 'make Bulkhead look like he belongs in our G1 universe', we trimmed away the fat. Literally! The overweight stockiness that defines Bulkhead's iconic look was the first thing to go. Now he's got the fit physique of a bodybuilder. No fat Transformers allowed!" >:oP
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:21 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:"To 'make Bulkhead look like he belongs in our G1 universe', we trimmed away the fat. Literally! The overweight stockiness that defines Bulkhead's iconic look was the first thing to go. Now he's got the fit physique of a bodybuilder. No fat Transformers allowed!" >:oP
Exactly. It's not like we didn't have fat transformers in G1. Powermaster Prime? Hoist? Trailbreaker? Inferno? Grapple? I'm sure there were some Cons as well, but the point is, 1 of Bulkhead's endearing qualities was that he was roly-poly, while still being a badass fighter. And this Legacy version is like he got some serious stomach stapling. It's like the original versions (both TFA and TFP) got fat-shamed.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby william-james88 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:47 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:You did well on Skids, though, even if he's a bit simple.


Speaking of borderline Cyberverse
The difference is that Bulkhead is a larger figure, thus should be a bit more complex.


I get the logic, but in practice, the only time that was ever true was with the Bayverse Leaders. Ever since then, complexity hasn't really been higher for larger classes. The first leader in the Generations class was Jetfire and he was not at all more complex than anything below him. Same for Combiner Wars Megatron, SS Grimlock, Siege Shockwave and on. I can't recall anything in the Earthrise line more complex than deluxe Cliffjumper. This Bulkhead seems as complex as fellow voyagers Inferno or Grapple. The big difference is that he looks simple due to the chest being so obviously the truck front and not more in line with the bot's silhouette unlike Inferno or Grapple. But regardless of what I've written I do agree with your criticism though, the end result aint great.

Sabrblade wrote:"To 'make Bulkhead look like he belongs in our G1 universe', we trimmed away the fat. Literally! The overweight stockiness that defines Bulkhead's iconic look was the first thing to go. Now he's got the fit physique of a bodybuilder. No fat Transformers allowed!" >:oP


Oddly enough, I never considered Bulkhead fat (not prime one, which is where I first learnt of the character). He was just round and big. He doesn't look fat like a human would (or movie Hound or Leadfoot do) with the larger protruding part being in the belly area. It was just an interesting transformer physique to me, something not seen before either for cybertronians or humans.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Burn » Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:16 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:"To 'make Bulkhead look like he belongs in our G1 universe', we trimmed away the fat. Literally! The overweight stockiness that defines Bulkhead's iconic look was the first thing to go. Now he's got the fit physique of a bodybuilder. No fat Transformers allowed!" >:oP

Just wait for the associated media where Bulkhead pushes healthy eating habits.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Tuned Agent » Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:23 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:"To 'make Bulkhead look like he belongs in our G1 universe', we trimmed away the fat. Literally! The overweight stockiness that defines Bulkhead's iconic look was the first thing to go. Now he's got the fit physique of a bodybuilder. No fat Transformers allowed!" >:oP

To be fair, I think his physique has less to do with "no fat Transformers allowed" and more to do with "we need to somehow squeeze an Optimus Prime out of this mold, too".
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Wolfman Jake » Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:33 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:To be fair, we don’t know what the story is yet behind Legacy. It could be that characters native to different universes get reformatted or recontextualized when they come to this G1 inspired universe.


Does the story matter? The story is just there to further sell the toys they were gonna release anyway.


Sometimes, yes. Sometimes no. Transformers Prime was a show first and foremost. The “supporting” toy line came later in development. The Prime toys featured gimmicks that had nothing to do with the actual show. It has and can go either way with Transformers, but nowadays, I’m sure the toys and media are developed in tandem for the most part.


I meant story like how Hasbro frames a generations toyline, not something linked to a cartoon.


Let's not forget that the past SIX Generations toy lines have had tie-in animated shows on various platforms. We may not hear about it for a while yet, but I bet there will be a Legacy show by the end of 2022. The War for Cybertron Trilogy was a success for Netflix and Hasbro. Why stop now? And yes, I know that the show will likely take "liberties" with whatever plotline we get with the toy line proper, but they will still reflect several elements of each other. Like I said earlier, more than likely, the toys and media are being co-developed, and there may be some very intentional story reasons for why characters will look as they do.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Wolfman Jake » Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:43 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:"To 'make Bulkhead look like he belongs in our G1 universe', we trimmed away the fat. Literally! The overweight stockiness that defines Bulkhead's iconic look was the first thing to go. Now he's got the fit physique of a bodybuilder. No fat Transformers allowed!" >:oP
Exactly. It's not like we didn't have fat transformers in G1. Powermaster Prime? Hoist? Trailbreaker? Inferno? Grapple? I'm sure there were some Cons as well, but the point is, 1 of Bulkhead's endearing qualities was that he was roly-poly, while still being a badass fighter. And this Legacy version is like he got some serious stomach stapling. It's like the original versions (both TFA and TFP) got fat-shamed.


Legacy Bulkhead is not intended to fat shame anyone. I'm fat, and this "G1-ified" Bulkhead reminds me of my own physique. I've got a big gut and a broad chest, but my arms and legs are not very thick at all. I kind of like how this new Bulkhead toy is shaped, much like I appreciate Hound's look in the live action movies. Am I fat shaming myself? I certainly hope I never encounter a plastic toy robot that makes me feel that threatened about my own self image and body shape.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby noctorro » Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:33 am

I think Bulkhead looks decent. I love bulky and simple bots and front of vehicle is torso is great.
Maybe we'll get a repaint/tool with a missile pack on the back of the truck, or a generic head version for army building.

I really like Transformers with not too complex transformations. That's just me.
And mixing characters from a specific line with the style of a different line (Prime/Animated with G1/Generations style) is awesome!

Here's hoping they do Energon Wing Saber and Optimus (a bit less fat Optimus).
Energon Optimus is still one of my favorite Optimus figures, the gimmick is cool and the transformation is fun.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby bengear » Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:47 am

when…
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am I going to get a Gears?

nobody at hasbro has love for my little red and blue grumpypants? If he ever makes the cut, he better have a mask face like the G1 minibot!
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:47 am

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Tuned Agent wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:"To 'make Bulkhead look like he belongs in our G1 universe', we trimmed away the fat. Literally! The overweight stockiness that defines Bulkhead's iconic look was the first thing to go. Now he's got the fit physique of a bodybuilder. No fat Transformers allowed!" >:oP

To be fair, I think his physique has less to do with "no fat Transformers allowed" and more to do with "we need to somehow squeeze an Optimus Prime out of this mold, too".


You nailed it with a sledgehammer.
A shame that Legacy Bulkhead is just a pretool of a repaint/remold family.

As for the character himself, only ANIMATED Bulkhead is "fat". The prime one was more of a classic strongman.

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Immortal Starscream » Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:54 am

Box with legs.


but again, I think it would be a decent fit for Sumo Prime (aka energon optimus for the few who don't know) It just feels wrong for Bulkhead. Maybe if it had the tapered looking cab that the vehicle it is based off of had, it would look better.

However, I won't knock the designer. An attempt was made, within the strict confines of what the company demands, and the result is definitely distinct as a result, and that is never a bad thing. It's just not for me.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Mindmaster » Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:11 am

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Apparently Knock Out will be following Bulkhead’s suit and be a G1-ification with a dash of Barricade, using the same body type as Jazz if the new Wreckers comic cover is to be believed. Which I don’t mind, I liked SS86 Jazz.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby sol magnus » Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:24 am

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Mindmaster wrote:Apparently Knock Out will be following Bulkhead’s suit and be a G1-ification with a dash of Barricade, using the same body type as Jazz if the new Wreckers comic cover is to be believed. Which I don’t mind, I liked SS86 Jazz.

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Cyber Bishop » Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:09 am

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Jesus there is no pleasing anyone is there.. We should all be lucky that they still cater to the "older fans" and try to give us the best renditions that they can instead of saying F' it and just making simple kiddie toys. F'ing entitled whining fanboys kill everything lets not kill the toys that we love so much, the Transformers line (yes they do pay attention to these fan sites) .
I for on am just glad they are still pushing any kind of product aimed for our demographic and I look forward to getting all the upcoming figures to finish the original G1 line AND some of the newer ones.

Skids is just what I wanted for skids, Bulkhead will make a nice addition to my collection.

Just enjoy that we are still getting Transformers in 2021.. A line that most thought died after Action Masters and G2 way back when.
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Transformers Legacy Reveals from Pulsecon 2021

Postby william-james88 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:11 am

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Pulsecon 2021 is ON! We got 5 new reveals along with what we saw earlier this week. We learnt that in this Legacy line, all energon weapons combine together (unknown if there is a designated full combination) and a new box gimmick is the QR codes, which leads you to the character's web page. There is an image below for you to try out.
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Deluxe:
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Kickback

Voyager:
Bulkhead

Leader:
Lazer Optimus Prime

Galvatron Unicron Pack (not under the Legacy line)

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby blackeyedprime » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:15 am

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Skids vehicle mode with the non translucent windows reminds me of a lada. Still skipping it. Dragstrips vehicle mode :( but hopefully some good pics available. Car bots really sem to have suffered with the start of wfc.
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