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There are a few descriptions of the upcoming Transformers Legacy commander Motormaster toy and we will sum up what we have found online. This is from people who claim they saw the instructions and we recommend you take it with a grain of salt. Here is a summary of the different points written:

It will be a cab and trailer.
Motormaster himself will be the cab.
The Trailer becomes frame for all the components to attach and combine.
The cars making the arms clip on while the legs are hollow rectangles for the cars to slide into, filling out the holes.
The trailer also becomes a base/turret for Motormaster to use when not combined. This is an homage to the G1 toy where Motormaster himself became a base.
The result will be less clean/smooth than the G1 character model of Menasor even though the look is overall similar.

Motormaster himself sounds cool but I'm more inclined to just get upgrades for my CW kit because I don't like this mode of combination.

So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.

Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...

Mistaken_Table wrote:So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.

Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...

You don't have to like it, but it's as much a combiner as anything. G1 combiners had kibble, and it's even using part of the alt-mode.

If they are emulating 3P companies, then Hasbro's using them exactly as they should, IMO. Siege Magnus kept screaming "City Commander" at me the whole time I first transformed him, and was a better toy for the unofficial R&D. At least these official Stunticons should scale better than that Third party team.

Mistaken_Table wrote:So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.

Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...

Many bots come together to make a big bot, it's a combiner.

cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.

william-james88 wrote:There are a few descriptions of the upcoming Transformers Legacy commander Motormaster toy...

The cars making the arms clip on while the legs are hollow rectangles for the cars to slide into, filling out the holes.

So if this is true, the combined mode will be the height of Siege Jetfire as opposed to the CW combiner which is the height of a leader?

sol magnus wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.

Always why I felt a lot of 3p were wasting their talents when if they could do their own ip, then they would be true competitors.

As it stands I always thought the G1 toon depiction of menasor just wearing the team on top of his robot limbs was very silly (and i could never understand why it was only him portrayed this way) so this will be a pass for me.

ZeroWolf wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.

Always why I felt a lot of 3p were wasting their talents when if they could do their own ip, then they would be true competitors.

It's very hard and very expensive to launch new IP. I have a lot of respect for what Unrustables was trying to do, but I doubt it's considered a successful model. Hasbro is worth $13B, they don't have to worry about competing with 3P, and it would be madness for unlicensed toymakers to think that way.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.

Always why I felt a lot of 3p were wasting their talents when if they could do their own ip, then they would be true competitors.

It's very hard and very expensive to launch new IP. I have a lot of respect for what Unrustables was trying to do, but I doubt it's considered a successful model. Hasbro is worth $13B, they don't have to worry about competing with 3P, and it would be madness for unlicensed toymakers to think that way.

It's not what the companies think or don't think that chaps my a--. It's the customers.

I've purchased my fair share of 3P figures (although I'm mainly into upgrade kits, which I feel is fair game), but at no time do I think 'I'm not getting the Hasbro version, I'm getting the XTranCUBEWuKFC version over that. Sure, free marketplace and everything, but I grew up in the time when Diaclones were considered knock-offs (lol).

I do think there are a few other interesting trends where Hasbro is clearly following the unlicensed market. The Centurion accessory pack, Earthrise Quintesson figures, SS86 Starscream's throne, all of these had clear antecedents from these toymakers. If Motormaster and Menasor deliver as rumored, they'll be the latest examples, not a new event.

Next up? Probably Generations Tarn. Hasbro has already made him available to their licensing partners that make non-transforming robots, and he's going to be in Cyberverse, so it's only a matter of time.

william-james88 wrote:

Mistaken_Table wrote:So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.

Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...

Many bots come together to make a big bot, it's a combiner.

If its like the KOs, the trailer IS the big bot and the 5 vehicles are decoration/gap-fillers. Its a shelf.

AcademyofDrX wrote:I do think there are a few other interesting trends where Hasbro is clearly following the unlicensed market. The Centurion accessory pack, Earthrise Quintesson figures, SS86 Starscream's throne, all of these had clear antecedents from these toymakers. If Motormaster and Menasor deliver as rumored, they'll be the latest examples, not a new event.

Next up? Probably Generations Tarn. Hasbro has already made him available to their licensing partners that make non-transforming robots, and he's going to be in Cyberverse, so it's only a matter of time.

That's a good thing. If nothing else, the 3P toymakers should inform Hasbro from a design perspective. I take nothing away from 3P for that.

sol magnus wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.

Always why I felt a lot of 3p were wasting their talents when if they could do their own ip, then they would be true competitors.

It's very hard and very expensive to launch new IP. I have a lot of respect for what Unrustables was trying to do, but I doubt it's considered a successful model. Hasbro is worth $13B, they don't have to worry about competing with 3P, and it would be madness for unlicensed toymakers to think that way.

It's not what the companies think or don't think that chaps my a--. It's the customers.

I've purchased my fair share of 3P figures (although I'm mainly into upgrade kits, which I feel is fair game), but at no time do I think 'I'm not getting the Hasbro version, I'm getting the XTranCUBEWuKFC version over that. Sure, free marketplace and everything, but I grew up in the time when Diaclones were considered knock-offs (lol).

I'm generally hostile to so-called 3P, but the more I read on the subject, the more I'm convinced that original toy designs based on Hasbro's IP are probably legally permissable while still ethically wrong. I picked up a 3P Huffer years ago because he was the only minibot I didn't like in Generations, but I could never bear to open it, and Kingdom Huffer has made it unnecessary. I do get the occasionally Nonnef pack, though.

Personally, it's not my scene, but if that's something people like, that's for them. I'd rather have cheaper, generally more reliable mass market figures than premium priced stuff with questionable quality control, but that's just me. Maybe some would see me as a Hasbro shill, but I like what they do and I like their products, so they get my money.

Mistaken_Table wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Mistaken_Table wrote:So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.

Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...

Many bots come together to make a big bot, it's a combiner.

If its like the KOs, the trailer IS the big bot and the 5 vehicles are decoration/gap-fillers. Its a shelf.

That's still a combiner tho

AcademyofDrX wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.

Always why I felt a lot of 3p were wasting their talents when if they could do their own ip, then they would be true competitors.

It's very hard and very expensive to launch new IP. I have a lot of respect for what Unrustables was trying to do, but I doubt it's considered a successful model. Hasbro is worth $13B, they don't have to worry about competing with 3P, and it would be madness for unlicensed toymakers to think that way.

It's not what the companies think or don't think that chaps my a--. It's the customers.

I've purchased my fair share of 3P figures (although I'm mainly into upgrade kits, which I feel is fair game), but at no time do I think 'I'm not getting the Hasbro version, I'm getting the XTranCUBEWuKFC version over that. Sure, free marketplace and everything, but I grew up in the time when Diaclones were considered knock-offs (lol).

I'm generally hostile to so-called 3P, but the more I read on the subject, the more I'm convinced that original toy designs based on Hasbro's IP are probably legally permissable while still ethically wrong. I picked up a 3P Huffer years ago because he was the only minibot I didn't like in Generations, but I could never bear to open it, and Kingdom Huffer has made it unnecessary. I do get the occasionally Nonnef pack, though.

Personally, it's not my scene, but if that's something people like, that's for them. I'd rather have cheaper, generally more reliable mass market figures than premium priced stuff with questionable quality control, but that's just me. Maybe some would see me as a Hasbro shill, but I like what they do and I like their products, so they get my money.

Yeah, I've had that charge leveled at me as well, but the hobby is the hobby. The 3P figures I've gotten were gap fillers - IE there was no Takara version available - in Masterpiece for favorite characters. When Hasbro did one, then I would still get it.

Anyway, we're derailing - even though it started as relevant due to the Stunticons possibly being 3p-ish. I say, wait it out and see what they actually did rather than judge it based on conjecture. I saw Combiner Wars Menasor in a shop yesterday, and I'm sorry - but he sucks. I wouldn't get him before we knew anything about Legacy, and I still couldn't plunk down my money on him yesterday even for temporaries. So, I will wait and see what the Legacy version does, but I can't see it being worse than Menasor from Combiner Wars.

I've not purchased any 3P mostly because my patience with Hasbro/TT eventually pays off and they make the character I want for my collection. My only regret right now is the FT SaurusRyuOh. Because we have no idea when Hasbro/TT will ever get to Dinoking and Monstructor. Also if you thought getting older official product was difficult. Getting older 3P is just ridiculously expensive and hard to obtain unless the item was considered just bad overall.

It is nice I guess, when they do unique characters, but I don't need 6 different takes on Devastator, Superion and Menasor. Probably part of the reason why, as much as I love combiners, I feet a lack of creativity at Hasbro doing the Stunticons again as opposed to a Combiner team that hasn't been updated yet.

o.supreme wrote:It is nice I guess, when they do unique characters, but I don't need 6 different takes on Devastator, Superion and Menasor. Probably part of the reason why, as much as I love combiners, I feet a lack of creativity at Hasbro doing the Stunticons again as opposed to a Combiner team that hasn't been updated yet.

Menasor is bad, man. Objectively bad. They needed to correct that one. However, the jury is out on whether it'll be better or not. We shall see.

Oh I totally understand why a lot of fans weren't thrilled with CW/UW Menasor. But in my collection with 20+ other combiners of similar composition,he doesn't stand out as horrible.

Likely because we have engineering advanced 7 years, Legacy Menasor will be better from a technical standpoint, and anyone new to collecting will probably want to get it. But I'm fine with what I have.

I'm expecting eBay to get totally flooded with CW/UW Menasor, but that doesn't seem to have happened yet. I should probably sell mine now instead of waiting for a year, but I have a nearly complete Season 2 collection and I don't want to break it up prematurely.

I see it as like Classics/Universe versus WfC, the new ones made the old ones look like garbage to me, but some fans think they're oldies but goodies.

AcademyofDrX wrote:I'm expecting eBay to get totally flooded with CW/UW Menasor, but that doesn't seem to have happened yet. I should probably sell mine now instead of waiting for a year, but I have a nearly complete Season 2 collection and I don't want to break it up prematurely.

I see it as like Classics/Universe versus WfC, the new ones made the old ones look like garbage to me, but some fans think they're oldies but goodies.

Probably more CW than UW. Believe it or not, that premium packaging goes a LONG way. I would be shocked, even a year from now, if a UW Menasor complete in package sold for less than $200 USD.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:There are a few descriptions of the upcoming Transformers Legacy commander Motormaster toy...

The cars making the arms clip on while the legs are hollow rectangles for the cars to slide into, filling out the holes.

So if this is true, the combined mode will be the height of Siege Jetfire as opposed to the CW combiner which is the height of a leader?

What? Every CW Combiner is the height of Siege Jetfire.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Mistaken_Table wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Mistaken_Table wrote:So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.

Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...

Many bots come together to make a big bot, it's a combiner.

If its like the KOs, the trailer IS the big bot and the 5 vehicles are decoration/gap-fillers. Its a shelf.

That's still a combiner tho

He's a combiner the same way a WFC toy with a weaponizer slapped on is (ie he's not).