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Wolfman Jake wrote:I think there is a very specific reason why no one is really running this “leak” as news. It’s already known to be false. Enough investors and influencers have already seen the whole of Legacy Menasor to say that these details are simply untrue.

I don't understand this line of reasoning, none of these people have come out and described Kingdom Menasor. The only one is one of the other TFW leakers, but his knowledge is limited to Motormaster. So I'm not sure how exactly this disproves the leak.

Autobot N wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:I think there is a very specific reason why no one is really running this “leak” as news. It’s already known to be false. Enough investors and influencers have already seen the whole of Legacy Menasor to say that these details are simply untrue.

I don't understand this line of reasoning, none of these people have come out and described Kingdom Menasor. The only one is one of the other TFW leakers, but his knowledge is limited to Motormaster. So I'm not sure how exactly this disproves the leak.

They can't come out and describe what Menasor actually looks like because there is likely an NDA or "Non-disclosure Agreement" that is in play, preventing any investors, retailers, or influencers from saying anything about upcoming products until Hasbro says so, under penalty of law. The full information about Legacy Menasor and the Stunticons is known by lots of people outside of Hasbro right now who want to stay in their good graces and will respect the news embargo.

As to how the lack of news on this news is telling, this is the reasoning: They're not posting it, because they know what Menasor looks like, and therefore know the leaker on tfw2005 is wrong. Why post news that you know is bullshit? This isn't politics, people! Now, that of course doesn't prove anything one way or another, but the radio silence is certainly a good bit of evidence that the leak isn't real news.

I think it is BS, but some very well crafted BS buried in nuggets of truth.

-Dragstrip is the only one that is full-send G1 (who we have already seen)
-Motormaster and Dead End both have references in their decos to other versions of them, RiD15 Motormaster and RotF Dead End specifically
-Breakdown is a G1-ish TFP Breakdown but also a Menasor limb

Breakdown is the lie. Motormaster and Dead End can be explained simply by their translucent purple windows matching their energon weapons, their other tie-ins are just bonus.

Here is the nugget of truth everyone is missing sitting in plain sight.

-Wildrider has a chainsaw like his Stunti-Con Job version

Wildrider is a confirmed retool of Slammer

TF-fan kev777 wrote:I think it is BS, but some very well crafted BS buried in nuggets of truth.

-Dragstrip is the only one that is full-send G1 (who we have already seen)
-Motormaster and Dead End both have references in their decos to other versions of them, RiD15 Motormaster and RotF Dead End specifically
-Breakdown is a G1-ish TFP Breakdown but also a Menasor limb

Breakdown is the lie. Motormaster and Dead End can be explained simply by their translucent purple windows matching their energon weapons, their other tie-ins are just bonus.

Here is the nugget of truth everyone is missing sitting in plain sight.

-Wildrider has a chainsaw like his Stunti-Con Job version

Wildrider is a confirmed retool of Slammer

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Hasbro wouldn’t do us dirty like that. All indications are that this will be more or less G1 cartoon (Sunbow) Menasor with current Generation stylings, like the strong G1 influence on most of the War for Cybertron Trilogy.

The only indication that exists so far is that we've seen Dragstrip, and the rumor/leak says that Dragstrip is the most G1 Stunticon of this lot. I don't think anyone has explicitly said we are getting SPECIFICALLY G1 Menasor, people just assumed that based on the listings having all the names of the G1 Stunticons because no one really considered it being Prime Breakdown. And in terms of "they wouldn't do us dirty like that"....I feel like the majority of people that are/are gonna be upset by the apparent lack of G1 Breakdown are those also upset that Earth mode "core G1 cast" guys were exclusives, in which case they've already been done dirty.

First, what core G1 cast were exclusives? You mean the Kingdom ones? Bluestreak? Who cried about that? I didn't feel 'done dirty'.

As far as Dragstrip being the only 'straight G1' Stunticon, they leaned pretty heavily into that with him. It seems obtuse to make other Stunticons when you go that hard. I'd be less inclined to buy 'updated but not G1' Stunticons when CW Menasor is soooo bad. That would be a letdown.

sol magnus wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Hasbro wouldn’t do us dirty like that. All indications are that this will be more or less G1 cartoon (Sunbow) Menasor with current Generation stylings, like the strong G1 influence on most of the War for Cybertron Trilogy.

The only indication that exists so far is that we've seen Dragstrip, and the rumor/leak says that Dragstrip is the most G1 Stunticon of this lot. I don't think anyone has explicitly said we are getting SPECIFICALLY G1 Menasor, people just assumed that based on the listings having all the names of the G1 Stunticons because no one really considered it being Prime Breakdown. And in terms of "they wouldn't do us dirty like that"....I feel like the majority of people that are/are gonna be upset by the apparent lack of G1 Breakdown are those also upset that Earth mode "core G1 cast" guys were exclusives, in which case they've already been done dirty.

First, what core G1 cast were exclusives? You mean the Kingdom ones? Bluestreak? Who cried about that? I didn't feel 'done dirty'.

As far as Dragstrip being the only 'straight G1' Stunticon, they leaned pretty heavily into that with him. It seems obtuse to make other Stunticons when you go that hard. I'd be less inclined to buy 'updated but not G1' Stunticons when CW Menasor is soooo bad. That would be a letdown.

Earth mode Ironhide, Ratchet, Sideswipe, Red Alert, Soundwave, laserbeak, thundercracker, Skywarp, Prowl and Bluestreak are all exclusives. As are Bumblebee (both versions) and the coneheads which didnt have cybertronian releases.

william-james88 wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Hasbro wouldn’t do us dirty like that. All indications are that this will be more or less G1 cartoon (Sunbow) Menasor with current Generation stylings, like the strong G1 influence on most of the War for Cybertron Trilogy.

The only indication that exists so far is that we've seen Dragstrip, and the rumor/leak says that Dragstrip is the most G1 Stunticon of this lot. I don't think anyone has explicitly said we are getting SPECIFICALLY G1 Menasor, people just assumed that based on the listings having all the names of the G1 Stunticons because no one really considered it being Prime Breakdown. And in terms of "they wouldn't do us dirty like that"....I feel like the majority of people that are/are gonna be upset by the apparent lack of G1 Breakdown are those also upset that Earth mode "core G1 cast" guys were exclusives, in which case they've already been done dirty.

First, what core G1 cast were exclusives? You mean the Kingdom ones? Bluestreak? Who cried about that? I didn't feel 'done dirty'.

As far as Dragstrip being the only 'straight G1' Stunticon, they leaned pretty heavily into that with him. It seems obtuse to make other Stunticons when you go that hard. I'd be less inclined to buy 'updated but not G1' Stunticons when CW Menasor is soooo bad. That would be a letdown.

Earth mode Ironhide, Ratchet, Sideswipe, Red Alert, Soundwave, laserbeak, thundercracker, Skywarp, Prowl and Bluestreak are all exclusives. As are Bumblebee (both versions) and the coneheads which didnt have cybertronian releases.

Right-o. I forgot because I get them all immediately upon pre-order. lol

-Kanrabat- wrote:

sol magnus wrote:Right-o. I forgot because I get them all immediately upon pre-order. lol

Many were never able to preorder anything. And even if they did, some preorders got cancelled.

Oh, I wasn't saying that as if to say I have no sympathy. I said that to say in the blurr of products hummin' comin' at us over the last three years I forgot because I just hit pre-order as soon as it's a 'core G1 cast member.'

sol magnus wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

sol magnus wrote:Right-o. I forgot because I get them all immediately upon pre-order. lol

Many were never able to preorder anything. And even if they did, some preorders got cancelled.

Oh, I wasn't saying that as if to say I have no sympathy. I said that to say in the blurr of products hummin' comin' at us over the last three years I forgot because I just hit pre-order as soon as it's a 'core G1 cast member.'

Yeah, so mainline or exclusive, it was all the same to you, I get it.

And it seems like the threat of G1-ified Prime Breakdown was just the source wanting to mess with the fandom and make the leaks less accurate cause people were getting things too right lately. Thank you all for playing, we now return to your regularly scheduled discussion.

Also entirely possible that this new leak/course correction is also false though, and that we'll just have to live in fear till Wave 4 gets revealed

There was a healthy amount of skepticism in this thread and elsewhere, so I guess we're not all easy marks after all. I don't know how much fun anyone had over it? I mean, if the last few years gave taught me anything, it's that it's not hard to get a critical mass of people to believe something that's untrue.

Problem was, they just didn't seem like credible leaks in the first place so I'm not surprised there wasn't a reaction. Next time they want to try and troll everyone, they should have made the leaks sound more believable and in line with recent Hasbro decisions. For example spreading rumours in the summer that the Titan for 2023 will be Tidal Wave

Just so it's clear, it wasn't the leaker who gave the false info, it was the source the leaker got it from. In this case, the leaker was misled too.

Sabrblade wrote:Just so it's clear, it wasn't the leaker who gave the false info, it was the source the leaker got it from. In this case, the leaker was misled too.

This leaker’s always been good about owning up to being misled or getting things wrong whenever it happens (which isn’t often)

Sentinel_Primal wrote:And it seems like the threat of G1-ified Prime Breakdown was just the source wanting to mess with the fandom and make the leaks less accurate cause people were getting things too right lately. Thank you all for playing, we now return to your regularly scheduled discussion.

Also entirely possible that this new leak/course correction is also false though, and that we'll just have to live in fear till Wave 4 gets revealed

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:And it seems like the threat of G1-ified Prime Breakdown was just the source wanting to mess with the fandom and make the leaks less accurate cause people were getting things too right lately. Thank you all for playing, we now return to your regularly scheduled discussion.

Also entirely possible that this new leak/course correction is also false though, and that we'll just have to live in fear till Wave 4 gets revealed

Yeah. I'm with you, Jake.

Welp, back to ignoring the Legacy Stunticons then.

sol magnus wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:And it seems like the threat of G1-ified Prime Breakdown was just the source wanting to mess with the fandom and make the leaks less accurate cause people were getting things too right lately. Thank you all for playing, we now return to your regularly scheduled discussion.

Also entirely possible that this new leak/course correction is also false though, and that we'll just have to live in fear till Wave 4 gets revealed

Yeah. I'm with you, Jake.

Same

That's a shame that that rumor happened, and that it was fake.

I really did get some thoughts that we could have had an awesome Multiversal Menasor:

RiD2015 Motormaster
Cyberverse Dead End (essentially, he is G1 + CW + RotF)
G1 Dragstrip
Animated Wildrider
Prime Breakdown

It had the potential to be a lot of fun, and would have fit the whole "multiverse" line they are trying to go for.

Oh well, back to ignoring them I guess

william-james88 wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:And it seems like the threat of G1-ified Prime Breakdown was just the source wanting to mess with the fandom and make the leaks less accurate cause people were getting things too right lately. Thank you all for playing, we now return to your regularly scheduled discussion.

Also entirely possible that this new leak/course correction is also false though, and that we'll just have to live in fear till Wave 4 gets revealed

Yeah. I'm with you, Jake.

Same

I'd like to clarify I was trying to make a joke with the "threat of G1-ified Breakdown" comment. I was also just trying to make a point that even though we've been told it'll just be standard G1 Breakdown, there's still the chance that the initial statement of Prime Breakdown is the right one and G1 isn't. Ah well, guess I need to work on phrasing things to be funnier

Many found Bulkhead to look a bit too heroic looking in his Legacy proportions. However, it seems that the final product proportions were not the original intent. The original designer was friend to the site, Marcelo Matere uploaded his design to Facebook and while it is very close to the toy we are getting the slight difference in proportions really changes the overall look of the toy. The design makes him appear far more stout, similar to Bulkhead's previous incarnations. You can see that design below.

We also got product codes from JTPrime. These don't reveal any new toys or anything of the sort, they simply further confirm the toys we are getting. These are for Generations Selects, Studio Series and Legacy.

Selects Deluxe Guard: F3071 (rumoured Black Ironhide)
SS Deluxe TF6 Ironhide: F3171
SS Deluxe TF6 Arcee: F3162
SS Voyager 86 Junkyard: F3177
SS Leader 86-12 Sludge: F3203
SS Core 86 Spike: F3142
Legacy Leader Blitzwing: F3062
Legacy Voyager Beast Inferno: F3075
Legacy Voyager Armada Starscream: F3056
Legacy Deluxe Elita 1: F3033
Legacy Deluxe Tarantulas: F3032
Legacy Core Shockwave: F3009
Legacy Core G2 Megatron: F3015
Legacy Core Optimus Prime: F3508 (rumoured repack)
Legacy Core Iguanus: F3014
Legacy Core Skywarp: F3011
Legacy Voyager Soundwave: F3517 (rumoured reissue)
Legacy Voyager Jhiaxus: F3058
Legacy Deluxe Wildrider: F3030
Legacy Deluxe Knockout: F3031

Of that, I plan to get -

SS Voyager 86 Junkyard: F3177
SS Leader 86-12 Sludge: F3203
SS Core 86 Spike: F3142
Legacy Leader Blitzwing: F3062
Legacy Voyager Beast Inferno: F3075
Legacy Deluxe Tarantulas: F3032
Legacy Core Iguanus: F3014
Legacy Voyager Jhiaxus: F3058
Legacy Deluxe Wildrider: F3030
Legacy Deluxe Knockout: F3031

And I plan to get:

SS Deluxe TF6 Ironhide: F3171
SS Deluxe TF6 Arcee: F3162
SS Voyager 86 Junkyard: F3177
SS Leader 86-12 Sludge: F3203
SS Core 86 Spike: F3142
Legacy Leader Blitzwing: F3062
Legacy Voyager Beast Inferno: F3075
Legacy Deluxe Elita 1: F3033
Legacy Deluxe Tarantulas: F3032
Legacy Core Iguanus: F3014
Legacy Voyager Jhiaxus: F3058
Legacy Deluxe Wildrider: F3030

Maybe Legacy Deluxe Knockout: F3031

If Elita-1 is not a repaint of Netflix Elita-1, then I'll likely get her. Do we have any hard info on her other than a name?