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Munkky wrote:It is a shame we're not getting TF6 (7?) any more, it would've been great to see Cogman and Hot Rod again.

Lol wut? Cogman was annoying and a cliché, over the top comic relief. Hot Rod was, just stupid. Oh he speaks french so people can laugh, but he doesn't want to. And he acts like a pokémon. He has like 5 seconds of screentime, did he transform? I can't remember.
They are 2 cardboard cutout 1 dimensional characters.

That's the reason why I also don't have the toys, The movie ruined those 2 toys for me and that's very hard to do. I have 2 ROTF Devastator toys!

Ooooooh Jeeeezuuuussss.... (imagine Bill Burr saying this)

America F*$% Yeah!!!

Music to my eyes. This is just amazing news people! They finally pull the plug on this warmed up cadavre. Finally. Man, the first one was okay because it was new and the special effects were great. But it had a disease from day one, toilet/sex humor, flat Transformers characters, lame simple plot and little Transformers screentime. And that grew a lot!

They remade the movie 4 times already, who is wanting a conclusion to any of this? It's the same movie every single time! Past-Artifact-Currentday Battle-Win-Optimus Speech.
With every movie less likable Autobots, less anything Decepticons, no consistancy, Crap humans and way to much screentime for it.

As some reviewer on youtube said, Transformers movies are mostly for kids and stupid people. And I think it's true. I like quite a lot about some of the movies, parts and bits. And potential. But I also read fellow forum members that make up stories of their own like how Galvatron became Megatron again and then they think the movie is cooler for what it is. Your fantasy does not make the movie better, they don't explain a damn thing in the movie. If you imagine your bicycle has gone to Mars and maried a green goat and then broke up with her to return to your back yard, doesn't mean it happened.

The movies are bad and they've gotten worse. TF5 was the worst of the 5 in my opion.
Ripping off bad movies is not "good" people.
The Decepticons, the main bad guys, had nothing! They had a 1 minute introduction, get killed. Megatron is just along for some human ride and gets killed.

And the bloody Megan Fox lookalike, Dumping the underaged yet-to-be-tits and ass for about an hour. Bad Transformers designs (they look like big spacemen, not Transformers).

I'm so glad it's over. Let anyone, anyone make a Transformers movie but Paramount & Mr. Bay.

Let David Ayer and the morons who made Suicide Squad make a Transformers movie.
Let Zack Snyder make a Transformers movie, atleast we'll be getting cool visuals and no sex/toilet humor.

Oh my gods, Joh Cena in a Transformers movie?
Anyway, I enjoyed Kubo, so I do have some hopes for Bumblebee. I hope that director has some respect for the material he's working with.
Clearly Mr. Bay has zero care and respect for Transformers.

Hire the dead and buried High Moon Studios people to write a Transformers movie.
Oh wait, that would be way to cool.

Anyway, only sad thing is that I have to not die untill 2022 to see a new Transformers movie.

Just sell the rights to Marvel. Since your favorite Transformers characters were written by Marvel people anyway.

Just sell the rights to Marvel. Since your favorite Transformers characters were written by Marvel people anyway.

I'm sorry, but complaining about uninspired cookie-cutter plots with terrible attempts at humour and simultaneously wanting Marvel to make a Transformers movie is hypocrisy of the highest order.

After TLK, They needed to go somewhere else, give the franchise a live action break. They need something new and a better direction. I still don't mind the 5 films we got, but TLK showed we needed something new.

Course it may kinda suck if they reboot things if the Bee movie does well, but at least if Bee does well, the Bayverse live action films will go out on a high instead of a whimper.

Give it time. And please don't try to reboot with a cinematic universe in mind.

Galactic Prime wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Burn wrote:This was not a good decision, anyone getting excited for it, especially those who are wanting a G1 look, you're going to be disappointed. Set your expectations low.

Yup, just because they "rebooted" the universe doesn't mean the new movies are going to be any better then the old, for example who is going to be the director or script writer? I doubt there is a single big director that gives a darn about the franchise like some of us do so I don't think there will be a Transformers movie that aligns to the fan's vision.

Some people are going to want the movies to be dark and gritty some are going to want it to be light hearted, some people like humor some don't, some want it to be like G1 and retread old ground while some of us want to see the franchise go into a new direction.

There is nothing to be hyped up about right now.

Actually they can only be better. Nothing can be as terrible as the Bay movies were, NOTHING.

Someone needs to make a movie called 50 Shades Of Bay just for you. I guarantee that would be worse!

Black Hat wrote:

Just sell the rights to Marvel. Since your favorite Transformers characters were written by Marvel people anyway.

I'm sorry, but complaining about uninspired cookie-cutter plots with terrible attempts at humour and simultaneously wanting Marvel to make a Transformers movie is hypocrisy of the highest order.

Eh, I take Marvel humor over racism, sexism and a long masturbation joke anytime.
I take the cookie cutter plots of Marvel over the exact same plot every Transformers movie has anytime.

From what I see, the only "good" thing Transformers film have over a lesser Marvel Movie is that transformers kill each other extremely rated R. Other than that they fail at most of movie aspects.

noctorro wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Just sell the rights to Marvel. Since your favorite Transformers characters were written by Marvel people anyway.

I'm sorry, but complaining about uninspired cookie-cutter plots with terrible attempts at humour and simultaneously wanting Marvel to make a Transformers movie is hypocrisy of the highest order.

Eh, I take Marvel humor over racism, sexism and a long masturbation joke anytime.
I take the cookie cutter plots of Marvel over the exact same plot every Transformers movie has anytime.

From what I see, the only "good" thing Transformers film have over a lesser Marvel Movie is that transformers kill each other extremely rated R. Other than that they fail at most of movie aspects.

Seeing the transformation in live action for the first time was boss though. I can forgive the bad humor to see Optimus go from semi to bot complete with Peter Cullen's voice. Always gonna love that. Now I just want to see Unicron transform live action, and it better be as epic as the original Big U. Not gunna be happy till I see that, even if it's in a rebooted story, and they better not mess it up.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:After TLK, They needed to go somewhere else, give the franchise a live action break. They need something new and a better direction. I still don't mind the 5 films we got, but TLK showed we needed something new.

Course it may kinda suck if they reboot things if the Bee movie does well, but at least if Bee does well, the Bayverse live action films will go out on a high instead of a whimper.

Give it time. And please don't try to reboot with a cinematic universe in mind.

That is their goal though, a hasbro cinematic universe. Though I hope they've learnt the lessons from the universal dark universe non-starter

EunuchRon wrote:

noctorro wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Just sell the rights to Marvel. Since your favorite Transformers characters were written by Marvel people anyway.

I'm sorry, but complaining about uninspired cookie-cutter plots with terrible attempts at humour and simultaneously wanting Marvel to make a Transformers movie is hypocrisy of the highest order.

Eh, I take Marvel humor over racism, sexism and a long masturbation joke anytime.
I take the cookie cutter plots of Marvel over the exact same plot every Transformers movie has anytime.

From what I see, the only "good" thing Transformers film have over a lesser Marvel Movie is that transformers kill each other extremely rated R. Other than that they fail at most of movie aspects.

Seeing the transformation in live action for the first time was boss though. I can forgive the bad humor to see Optimus go from semi to bot complete with Peter Cullen's voice. Always gonna love that. Now I just want to see Unicron transform live action, and it better be as epic as the original Big U. Not gunna be happy till I see that, even if it's in a rebooted story, and they better not mess it up.

Totally agree, for all their flaws the visuals are spectacular. The fights are amazing, I love the shakey cam in the first one. And bringing back his original Alt Mode in Age of Extinction is gold! I don't think they can properly handle Unicron.

If they are going to fully reboot (and hopefully all the nonsense of Marvel's shared universe gimmick has died out by then)might be time to give David Kaye and Gary Chalk a call...

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:If they are going to fully reboot (and hopefully all the nonsense of Marvel's shared universe gimmick has died out by then)might be time to give David Kaye and Gary Chalk a call...

The MCU will be around for a long time yet.
And if you don't like the shared universe gimmick ... you're gonna be upset with Hasbros shared universe then.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:If they are going to fully reboot (and hopefully all the nonsense of Marvel's shared universe gimmick has died out by then)might be time to give David Kaye and Gary Chalk a call...

Yeah that's not going to happen, I can't see them ever doing a beast wars live action movie sadly. Also shared universes done right are awesome, shared universes that are rushed are awful...isnt that right, Tom cruise's mummy film? I'm awaiting judgement on the godzilla shared universe but ToHo were doing a good jobuying of that before so who knows?

No, I'm not talking about a Beast Wars film. I'm talking replacements for Cullen and Welker, the most qualified and suitable.

Shared (Movie) Universes are a money making gimmick and nothing more. It enabled Marvel Studios to hit on a Formula to sell C-List characters to the mass market. For characters not good enough to sell themselves, unlike Godzilla, Batman, X-Men, Spider-Man etc

The only reason other studios want to do it is for the money it makes, not for any sense of genuine merit or enrichment it could bring to a given Movie.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:No, I'm not talking about a Beast Wars film. I'm talking replacements for Cullen and Welker, the most qualified and suitable.

Shared (Movie) Universes are a money making gimmick and nothing more. It enabled Marvel Studios to hit on a Formula to sell C-List characters to the mass market. For characters not good enough to sell themselves, unlike Godzilla, Batman, X-Men, Spider-Man etc

The only reason other studios want to do it is for the money it makes, not for any sense of genuine merit or enrichment it could bring to a given Movie.

In your opinion maybe but not mine, godzilla BTW already existed in a shared universe, as I said toho were very good at that before it became a buzz word. I feel like shared universes help them feel closer to the comic books they are adapting, the name drops etc that's why I said they can be done good or they can be done bad. Are they are fad? With the other studios, definitely but I hope the marvel comics stick with it and tweak it for the better

Oh and the cullen thing? They'll keep those roles till they are 6 feet under and then...they'll hire big name voices just like a certain games company did for the fifth installment of its most popular gaming series...

Hasbro shared universe? So... we'll get some kind of Pony and Little Pet Shop Transformers GIJoe mega action flick? Nightmare Moon and Megatron team up with Cobra to fight the Joes, Autobots, and Ponies while shrunk inside a pet store or somethin? I'm just not seein' how this could really work...

EunuchRon wrote:Hasbro shared universe? So... we'll get some kind of Pony and Little Pet Shop Transformers GIJoe mega action flick? Nightmare Moon and Megatron team up with Cobra to fight the Joes, Autobots, and Ponies while shrunk inside a pet store or somethin? I'm just not seein' how this could really work...

LOL its just gi Joe, micronaughts and transformers in the hasbroverse at the moment, with maybe cameos by rom and mask. Though with hasbro getting the power ranger toy franchise, wouldn't it be funny if they got them to have a cameo appearance... (this is a joke)

ZeroWolf wrote:In your opinion maybe but not mine, godzilla BTW already existed in a shared universe, as I said toho were very good at that before it became a buzz word. I feel like shared universes help them feel closer to the comic books they are adapting, the name drops etc that's why I said they can be done good or they can be done bad. Are they are fad? With the other studios, definitely but I hope the marvel comics stick with it and tweak it for the better

I'm well aware of Godzilla, I am a big fan of Monster Movies and other such B-Movies in general. But I look at the term "shared universe" in the same way people now look at "millenial", in a derogatory manner. Lesser things built into a whole.

Likewise the Universal Monsters had the very first "Shared universe" although, like Godzilla, it was more a series of stand alone films that shared themes, concepts and studio than something interconnected to the degree of the MCU.

Besides growing up reading X-Men, Spider-Man etc in the 90's they virtually existed in their own bubble. The shared universe only existed within their books, because they were popular enough that they didn't need to be carried.

ZeroWolf wrote:Oh and the cullen thing? They'll keep those roles till they are 6 feet under and then...they'll hire big name voices just like a certain games company did for the fifth installment of its most popular gaming series...

This is that 'resistance to change' thing again, that has held Tranformers in a G1 choke hold for too many years. If they are reboot Transformers completely, it will be with an all new voice cast. Otherwise it will confuse the moviegoers. Chalk and Kaye are more than adequate replacements to Cullen and Welker for Live Action. I'd even go so far as to say Kaye was a better Megatron than Welker. Whereas Chalk is debatable, although I do prefer Cullen as Venger.

I dont know where the shared universe thing is coming from, Hssbro had said Transformers wouldnt be part of its shared cinematic universe. And as of right now, all we know is that there wont be any TF films any time soon.

I just assumed that with the reboot it would be folded into the hasbroverse and that it wasn't before because it was setting up its own separate thing with bumblebee being the only result of the writing room.

@AllNewSuperRobot I doubt they'll recast prime, besides people won't get confused as they'll tweak primes appearance like they've done in every continuity. I agree that g1 has held sway too long but the best we'll get is a compromise, just remember though that those wanting everything to be more g1 are among the loudest. I want to believe that given time to sort things out, to find the most suitable director, we can find a movie good enough to help people look at it differently then just live action toys smashing each other to pieces.

ZeroWolf wrote:I just assumed that with the reboot it would be folded into the hasbroverse and that it wasn't before because it was setting up its own separate thing with bumblebee being the only result of the writing room.

I would assume nothing at this point, especially with cinematic universes being talked about and discarded willy nilly.

They are restarting TFs with a new team at paramount and we wont get new movies for a while, thats all there is to it.

And also, the writer room resulted in both the Bee film and The Last Knight.

ZeroWolf wrote: I doubt they'll recast prime, besides people won't get confused as they'll tweak primes appearance like they've done in every continuity. I agree that g1 has held sway too long but the best we'll get is a compromise, just remember though that those wanting everything to be more g1 are among the loudest. I want to believe that given time to sort things out, to find the most suitable director, we can find a movie good enough to help people look at it differently then just live action toys smashing each other to pieces.

Films are not cartoon series. It won't be enough to alter their look and keep the voices, because general audiences will associate them. General audiences bring in the millions studios seek from these films, the diehard fan bases don't have the numbers or the money to rival that. Despite the vocal internet (minority) that decry Bayformers and have done so for years, Hasbro are only pulling the plug because the series stopped making the money they expected. Studios talk and listen in money only.


As a fun aside, Think about how many voice acted films there are, that have been rebooted and kept their voice cast?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
As a fun aside, Think about how many voice acted films there are, that have been rebooted and kept their voice cast?

I can think of 2.
1. The Lion King. Mufasa is still the same voice actor. Over twenty years apart.

2. Transformers. Peter Cullen voiced Prime in 2 different continuity films. The G1 film of 86 and the new Bay ones, over twenty years apart.

So yeah, two examples of reboots where the principle voice was kept. Are there any reboots where the principle voice actor (who would still be alive and make it work) was not kept?

Plus, there are lots for TV, like Full Metal Alchemist. Though I understand we arent comparing that.

Wait Jeremy irons is returning for scar? Nice B) he would be perfect for thunderwing if they ever adapted from the comics

ZeroWolf wrote:Wait Jeremy irons is returning for scar? Nice B) he would be perfect for thunderwing if they ever adapted from the comics

No, just mufasa stays the same, as I metioned. Its like with Transformers, only Peter Cullen returned to the live action franchise in the first movie, with Megatron being Hugo Weaving instead of Frank Welker.

Black Hat wrote:

Just sell the rights to Marvel. Since your favorite Transformers characters were written by Marvel people anyway.

I'm sorry, but complaining about uninspired cookie-cutter plots with terrible attempts at humour and simultaneously wanting Marvel to make a Transformers movie is hypocrisy of the highest order.

LOL, another person here who seems to type things that make no sense with a straight face.

If you honestly believe Marvel makes uninspired cookie-cutter plots with terrible attempts at humour in their movies than you seriously need to see a psychologist.

Marvels movies don't have some "Formula" that's different from any other movie franchise. Their plots are well developed, well written, and clever. That's why they are successful.

You don't make one of the biggest movie franchises of all time by making garbage over and over again.

Sometimes you do, but it's not something that can happen over the span of 20+ movies.

Seriously, I know it's suddenly become the "cool" thing to hate on the Marvel movies, but realistically what they have accomplished in the last 10 years is beyond what any other studio has ever even come close to doing and that isn't from making uninspired cookie cutter movies with poopy humour.

Seriously, get a clue.