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Whitemest wrote:Jesus Christ. This is good news for beast wars in general, but WHERE is fan favorite Dinobot? Doesnt even need to be a masterpiece. Im baffled as to why its taken this long.

Sabrblade wrote:"This long"? The MP Beast Wars releases haven't even started yet. That we're just now seeing the prototype for the second one is typical for the schedule of MP releases. These kinds of quality figures take time to make. Can't rush quality.

Besides, they need all the Masterpiece black magic they can get in order to make Dinobot's transformation work:
In the meantime, the Henkei! Henkei! Dinobot figure from 2009 was gorgeous!

Sorry Sabre, I'm with Whitemest (welcome BTW!) on this. I understand fully that Primal would be the first. But the only one I'd have felt ok with being released next if it wasn't going to be Dinobot, is Megatron. He's a big enough deal that he should easily trump Cheetor.

And yes Henkei Dinobot is pretty, but his legs are so broken that the nice poses you showed off in those pics is pretty much all he can do. And his sword sucks. And he'll cost you both your kidneys.

shajaki wrote:Sorry Sabre, I'm with Whitemest (welcome BTW!) on this. I understand fully that Primal would be the first. But the only one I'd have felt ok with being released next if it wasn't going to be Dinobot, is Megatron. He's a big enough deal that he should easily trump Cheetor.

Cheetor's a yellow kid appeal character who was the target audience's gateway character. Even though Dinobot had a more meaningful role from an objective narrative standpoint, an argument could be made for Cheetor being a more subjectively popular character with the show's target audience of children back in the day.

Sabrblade wrote:

shajaki wrote:Sorry Sabre, I'm with Whitemest (welcome BTW!) on this. I understand fully that Primal would be the first. But the only one I'd have felt ok with being released next if it wasn't going to be Dinobot, is Megatron. He's a big enough deal that he should easily trump Cheetor.

Cheetor's a yellow kid appeal character who was the target audience's gateway character. Even though Dinobot had a more meaningful role from an objective narrative standpoint, an argument could be made for Cheetor being a more subjectively popular character with the show's target audience of children back in the day.

And that target audience from back in the day are adults now. And this is a line geared towards adult collectors.

shajaki wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

shajaki wrote:Sorry Sabre, I'm with Whitemest (welcome BTW!) on this. I understand fully that Primal would be the first. But the only one I'd have felt ok with being released next if it wasn't going to be Dinobot, is Megatron. He's a big enough deal that he should easily trump Cheetor.

Cheetor's a yellow kid appeal character who was the target audience's gateway character. Even though Dinobot had a more meaningful role from an objective narrative standpoint, an argument could be made for Cheetor being a more subjectively popular character with the show's target audience of children back in the day.

And that target audience from back in the day are adults now. And this is a line geared towards adult collectors.

True, but their going with the character that today's adult liked back when they were children could be seen as an attempt by Takara to tap into that latent nostalgic endearment that today's adults felt towards Cheetor when they were children.

Sabrblade wrote:

shajaki wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

shajaki wrote:Sorry Sabre, I'm with Whitemest (welcome BTW!) on this. I understand fully that Primal would be the first. But the only one I'd have felt ok with being released next if it wasn't going to be Dinobot, is Megatron. He's a big enough deal that he should easily trump Cheetor.

Cheetor's a yellow kid appeal character who was the target audience's gateway character. Even though Dinobot had a more meaningful role from an objective narrative standpoint, an argument could be made for Cheetor being a more subjectively popular character with the show's target audience of children back in the day.

And that target audience from back in the day are adults now. And this is a line geared towards adult collectors.

True, but their going with the character that today's adult liked back when they were children could be seen as an attempt by Takara to tap into that latent nostalgic endearment that today's adults felt towards Cheetor when they were children.

Though, I could definitely see Dinobot being the third Maximal to get a Masterpiece, instead of Rhinox or Rattrap, as going by the ID numbers of both the Japanese Beast Wars toyline and the Beast Wars Telemocha Series toyline, the numbering order for the cartoon character Maximal toys was Convoy --> Cheetus --> Dinobot in both lines.

Sabrblade wrote:Though, I could definitely see Dinobot being the third Maximal to get a Masterpiece, instead of Rhinox or Rattrap, as going by the ID numbers of both the Japanese Beast Wars toyline and the Beast Wars Telemocha Series toyline, the numbering order for the cartoon character Maximal toys was Convoy --> Cheetus --> Dinobot in both lines.

Curious; who was next after Dinobot in those numberings? Rattrap or Rhinox?

Kurona wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Though, I could definitely see Dinobot being the third Maximal to get a Masterpiece, instead of Rhinox or Rattrap, as going by the ID numbers of both the Japanese Beast Wars toyline and the Beast Wars Telemocha Series toyline, the numbering order for the cartoon character Maximal toys was Convoy --> Cheetus --> Dinobot in both lines.

Curious; who was next after Dinobot in those numberings? Rattrap or Rhinox?

In the original Japanese toyline, it was Rattle (Rattrap), while Maximal-wise in the Telemocha line it was Cohrada and then Rhinox.

Here's the full list of the two lines for those curious:

C-1 Convoy
C-2 White Claw
C-3 Cheetus
C-4 Dinobot
C-5 Rattle
C-6 Convobat
C-7 Rhinox
C-8 Tigatron
C-9 Howlinger
C-10 Airazor
C-11 Cybershark

D-1 Megatron
D-2 Scorpos
D-3 Waspeeter
D-4 Tarans
D-5 Terrorsaurer
D-6 Megalligator
D-7 Shadow Panther
D-8 Black Widow
D-9 Buzz Saw
D-10 Kuwagaiger
D-11 Inferno

TM-01 Convoy
TM-02 Megatron
TM-03 Cheetus
TM-04 Waspeeter
TM-05 Dinobot
TM-06 Black Widow
TM-07 Cohrada
TM-08 Archadis
TM-09 Rhinox
TM-10 Wolfang
TM-11 Tigatron
TM-12 Gimlet
TM-13 Motorarm
TM-SP DX Convoy
TM-SP DX Megatron

Sabrblade wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Though, I could definitely see Dinobot being the third Maximal to get a Masterpiece, instead of Rhinox or Rattrap, as going by the ID numbers of both the Japanese Beast Wars toyline and the Beast Wars Telemocha Series toyline, the numbering order for the cartoon character Maximal toys was Convoy --> Cheetus --> Dinobot in both lines.

Curious; who was next after Dinobot in those numberings? Rattrap or Rhinox?

In the original Japanese toyline, it was Rattle (Rattrap), while Maximal-wise in the Telemocha line it was Cohrada and then Rhinox.

Here's the full list of the two lines for those curious:

C-1 Convoy
C-2 White Claw
C-3 Cheetus
C-4 Dinobot
C-5 Rattle
C-6 Convobat
C-7 Rhinox
C-8 Tigatron
C-9 Howlinger
C-10 Airazor
C-11 Cybershark

D-1 Megatron
D-2 Scorpos
D-3 Waspeeter
D-4 Tarans
D-5 Terrorsaurer
D-6 Megalligator
D-7 Shadow Panther
D-8 Black Widow
D-9 Buzz Saw
D-10 Kuwagaiger
D-11 Inferno

TM-01 Convoy
TM-02 Megatron
TM-03 Cheetus
TM-04 Waspeeter
TM-05 Dinobot
TM-06 Black Widow
TM-07 Cohrada
TM-08 Archadis
TM-09 Rhinox
TM-10 Wolfang
TM-11 Tigatron
TM-12 Gimlet
TM-13 Motorarm
TM-SP DX Convoy
TM-SP DX Megatron

>>>Convobat

Well I learned something wonderful today.
So yeah, following these either Megsy or Dinobot would be next. And, uh, honestly even without the numbering I'd be surprised if one of then wasn't next. Then again, I guess Lio Convoy's also possible...

bash'D

shajaki wrote:bash'D

Oh, f%^k me, that's glorious, I may have to gut what little savings I have left and get these guys, as they really appeal to me, but the fact that they aren't necessarily built to be used like an action figure saddens me

If the real thing is anywhere close to that, it has already won so many people over

awesome..

if they release the Beast wars Optimal Optimus Primal with the Spark of Optimus Prime, they should make his masterpiece hold the MP-10 Matrix..that would be awesome!!
I'm going to collect all the Original Beast Wars figures for this series of Masterpieces.. the original 10..damn!! now I want ghost Star Scream!! AHHHH!! wallet drainage in effect!!

skywarp-2 wrote:if they release the Beast wars Optimal Optimus Primal with the Spark of Optimus Prime, they should make his masterpiece hold the MP-10 Matrix..that would be awesome!!

But... Optimal Optimus didn't carry the Matrix-like Spark Container, just Prime's Spark itself:

Thanks to @Gadepon on Twitter, we have new images of the upcoming Masterpiece Cheetor figure. The magazine image shows off Cheetor posing with his blaster as well as his cheetah beast mode, complete with images of his different cheetah expressions. Check out the image mirrored below and let us know what you think in the comments section, and as always stay tuned to Seibertron.com for all your latest Transformers News and Galleries!

I'm starting to get a very bad parts forming feeling on the Beast head / robot chest of this figure.

Ironhidensh wrote:I'm starting to get a very bad parts forming feeling on the Beast head / robot chest of this figure.

I'm pretty sure it won't be a parts-former, TT's clever like that, but I understand you're anxiety, I too am hoping it turns out perfectly

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:I'm starting to get a very bad parts forming feeling on the Beast head / robot chest of this figure.

I'm pretty sure it won't be a parts-former, TT's clever like that, but I understand you're anxiety, I too am hoping it turns out perfectly

Take solace in examples of their wizardry: Inferno, Ironhide, Hotrod, Prime, Wheeljack, Bee, ect. All of them have either remarkable engineering or faux pieces masking those for the sake of aesthetics.

Remember when we posted a tiny low res image of TakaraTomy Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Cheetor from Figure King Magazine? Well now we can show you a proper pic! He apparently has multiple cat faces leading people to wonder what "Inferno Ladder Magic" awaits us because he clearly has a different cat head in his robot mode. See what conclusions you can come to by checking out the pic below, and stay tuned to Seibertron.com: home for the best Galleries and Conversation around!





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Huh, guess the chest head is faux kibble - was wondering about that. When I saw the blurry pics I thought it might have just been a neutral beast-face option for robot mode. I suppose it fits the "show accuracy is king" ideology, and it would allow us to leave the angry/spooked faces on the cheetah head without making the robot mode look odd. Natural extension of MP Optimus having different truck grills for vehicle and robot modes, I guess.

(Personally, I'm more into the cast's appearances after the relevant characters got their Transmetal forms, but c'est la vie.)

his beast mode has whiskers! Nice.

If its a case like Primes two grills, I'll be okay, but if its part swapping on a MP, this will be an easy pass.

shajaki wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

shajaki wrote:Sorry Sabre, I'm with Whitemest (welcome BTW!) on this. I understand fully that Primal would be the first. But the only one I'd have felt ok with being released next if it wasn't going to be Dinobot, is Megatron. He's a big enough deal that he should easily trump Cheetor.

Cheetor's a yellow kid appeal character who was the target audience's gateway character. Even though Dinobot had a more meaningful role from an objective narrative standpoint, an argument could be made for Cheetor being a more subjectively popular character with the show's target audience of children back in the day.

And that target audience from back in the day are adults now. And this is a line geared towards adult collectors.

Two things we should keep in mind; firstly, this is being produced from a Japanese perspective, and the English-speaking fan favorites might not line up perfectly with what Takara's primary market wants.

Secondly, Beast Wars was released in Japan in this order; Beast Wars season 1, the two BW animes, then Beast BW seasons 2 and 3 (as "Beast Wars: Metals"). By that time interest in Beast Wars had started to wane, and a lot of the big stuff that cemented Dinobot as a fan favorite happened in season 2.

Ironhidensh wrote:If its a case like Primes two grills, I'll be okay, but if its part swapping on a MP, this will be an easy pass.

Judging from factors such as the robot chest's ears not having earholes like the beast head's ears do, and the slightly more inflated nature of the chest-head, my best guess would be that the robot mode beast head covers the actual beast mode head. (That, and if Takara was embracing part swapping for BW masterpieces, we probably would have seen clip on bits to cover Primal's visible robo-kibble in beast mode.)

I like the MP-1/MP-10 "two truck grills" analogy, as it makes me wonder if one of the beast mode cheetah heads can hide inside the core of the robot mode torso behind the fake cheetah head.

RevTibe wrote:(Personally, I'm more into the cast's appearances after the relevant characters got their Transmetal forms, but c'est la vie.)

*shrug* Most of the original Transmetal toys for the characters who became Transmetals in the show were already the stuff of near perfection anyway.

If anything, I'd like a TM Rattrap whose beast mode kibble backpack could rotate 180 degrees to have the wheels behind his robot mode rat head shoulders. And maybe just reissues of TM Primal, TM Cheetor, and TM Tarantulas with more show-accurate decos (like their Japanese toys) and new headsculpts with more show-accuracy and (in the cases of Primal and Cheetor) less "Ninja Turtle snarling".

Sabrblade wrote:

RevTibe wrote:(Personally, I'm more into the cast's appearances after the relevant characters got their Transmetal forms, but c'est la vie.)

*shrug* Most of the original Transmetal toys for the characters who became Transmetals in the show were already the stuff of near perfection anyway. ;)

If anything, I'd like a TM Rattrap whose beast mode kibble backpack could rotate 180 degrees to have the wheels behind his robot mode rat head shoulders. And maybe just reissues of TM Primal, TM Cheetor, and TM Tarantulas with more show-accurate decos (like their Japanese toys) and new headsculpts with more show-accuracy and (in the cases of Primal and Cheetor) less "Ninja Turtle snarling".

Hey, I can dream :P Although they're visually very accurate, Transformers engineering has really advanced in the past two decades - would be a shame to see the Transmetals cursed by their own show accuracy to never receive updates.

TM Rattrap's actually the one I've thought about the most (currently customizing one). One of the weaknesses of the mold is how a significant portion of the rat's butt is a hollow brick - open that up, add some basic compression to the arms/legs, and we can stuff Rattrap's robot bits more efficiently into the rat mode. This would clean up his messy undercarriage, but could also lead to a larger robot mode in relation to his rat mode, meaning the rat head pauldrons would be closer to the show's shrunken proportions.

That, and Rattrap needs half a dozen more accessories :P Have the wheels pop off as shields, his gun, explosive charges, spare gun or two from the Coming of the Fuzors showdown...