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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:27 pm

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Raiden was such a weird missed opportunity by Hasbro within the western line. A combiner set of transforming trains would have sold just as much as any other Gestalt, back in G1.

It also wouldn't have made Devastator seem so out of place, as the only combiner team without a "rival" team.

I'm on the fence about getting Raiden though. Official or 3P. As much as I have a fondness for Gestalts, I can't help but think he would feel a bit out of place.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby o.supreme » Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:53 pm

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In Hindsight yes. IMHO It would have been neat for Hasbro to license them the same time they did the Diaclone Construction team. I wonder how history would have changed if they introduced the Trainbots late S1/ early S2. They of course would have had western names, and would not be "Raiden" as we know it from the 1987 Headmasters Series.

Worst case scenario, Hasbro might not have licensed the Mechabot-1 from Toybox to create Omega Supreme. Or... they could have obtained license from another Japanese Toy manufacturer of Transforming robots to create an evil rival for him...there certainly was no shortage of Transforming Robots in Japan in the early 80's :lol: .

In any event. I am really looking forward to MP Raiden. He will be perfect as a rival for PotP Predaking. While I love CC Skylynx, I believe he is a bit too small (or rather Predaking is too big), but Raiden will fix that, if they do it right. I'm still hoping for a KO undersized 12 inch PotP Predaking just like they did for CW Devastator
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:04 pm

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I'd love to have known what the selection process involved, back then. As you say, there were so many to choose from.

In a way, considering Takara's original stance that there would be no MP Gestalts. Raiden is the only one that makes sense here, to be incorporated into this line. Much like Star Saber, the team can exist as a one-off.

While I still don't see the logic in MP Jetfire, given such a big deal was made about the Siege release. I suppose he is part of the Season 2 cast. Which, as incredible as it sounds, is still as far as the G1 Masterpiece line has progressed.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:11 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I suppose he is part of the Season 2 cast. Which, as incredible as it sounds, is still as far as the G1 Masterpiece line has progressed.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:13 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I suppose he is part of the Season 2 cast. Which, as incredible as it sounds, is still as far as the G1 Masterpiece line has progressed.
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Indeed, plus Arcee. Which is a massive kick in the teeth to those fans (hi) waiting on The Movie and beyond, characters. I mean if there is a market for MP Skids, surely MP Wreck-Gar must be on someone's wish list?
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:18 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I mean if there is a market for MP Skids, surely MP Wreck-Gar must be on someone's wish list?
It's more their altmode that Takara are banking Skids and Reboost on, rather than their status as Transformers characters, since the two are being made for the Honda City Turbo's 40th anniversary.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:19 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I suppose he is part of the Season 2 cast. Which, as incredible as it sounds, is still as far as the G1 Masterpiece line has progressed.
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Indeed, plus Arcee. Which is a massive kick in the teeth to those fans (hi) waiting on The Movie and beyond, characters. I mean if there is a market for MP Skids, surely MP Wreck-Gar must be on someone's wish list?


Now that I'd like to see them trying to pull off. He'd be the first motorcycle MP too... as well as one that falls apart on purpose :lol:
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:28 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I mean if there is a market for MP Skids, surely MP Wreck-Gar must be on someone's wish list?
It's more their altmode that Takara are banking Skids and Reboost on, rather than their status as Transformers characters, since the two are being made for the Honda City Turbo's 40th anniversary.


I see your point. But if this had been a random Diaclone, non-show character that transformed into a Honda City would they still have banked on it being a part of this line? From what I can gather, Skids presence in the show was minimal, at best.



Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:surely MP Wreck-Gar must be on someone's wish list?


Now that I'd like to see them trying to pull off. He'd be the first motorcycle MP too... as well as one that falls apart on purpose :lol:


Also, don't forget their main feature. Two MP Wreck-Gars have to be able to.. ride, each other. :lol:
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:31 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I mean if there is a market for MP Skids, surely MP Wreck-Gar must be on someone's wish list?
It's more their altmode that Takara are banking Skids and Reboost on, rather than their status as Transformers characters, since the two are being made for the Honda City Turbo's 40th anniversary.


I see your point. But if this had been a random Diaclone, non-show character that transformed into a Honda City would they still have banked on it being a part of this line? From what I can gather, Skids presence in the show was minimal, at best.


Which gave writers a bit of a blank slate to work with. So naturally in Japan he was made a Dimensional sentry of some sort, along with others of a similar body type like Screech. How popular that made him is anyone's guess.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:37 pm

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I've always been curious about the popularity of the tertiary+ characters. I wonder where it is gauged?

I do like the aesthetic of redeco variants in Skids and Reboost. It is unfortunate that Car Bots don't really go with the rest of my MP collection. They would fit in among my other various jets, beasts etc that live on my City Bot displays.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby o.supreme » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:10 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'd love to have known what the selection process involved, back then. As you say, there were so many to choose from.


Yeah, it would have been amazing to go to those toy shows in the early 80's. A veritable buffet of Transforming toys. A little Beetras here, a little, Dorvak over here, and some Bandai Macross for dessert...that's not going to be a problem right? ;)
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:17 pm

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o.supreme wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'd love to have known what the selection process involved, back then. As you say, there were so many to choose from.


Yeah, it would have been amazing to go to those toy shows in the early 80's. A veritable buffet of Transforming toys. A little Beetras here, a little, Dorvak over here, and some Bandai Macross for dessert...that's not going to be a problem right? ;)


Indeed. "Licensing? Who needs licensing... :HEADHURTS: "
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:30 pm

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Yet another reason why it's gonna be "MP Skyfire" rather than "MP Jetfire". ;)
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby TulioDude » Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:12 pm

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When HasTak do makes Unicron Trilogy Masterpieces,do you think they will be in their own scale,or the cars for example,would be of a similar size to the current ones?

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:55 pm

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TulioDude wrote:When HasTak do makes Unicron Trilogy Masterpieces,do you think they will be in their own scale,or the cars for example,would be of a similar size to the current ones?

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They logically should follow the G1 scale. :-?
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:25 am

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TulioDude wrote:When HasTak do makes Unicron Trilogy Masterpieces,do you think they will be in their own scale,or the cars for example,would be of a similar size to the current ones?

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As long as they work the Mini-Con gimmick in, I'm good.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:32 am

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Because of their overall visual design, I always saw UT in their own scaling. Much like the Headmasters being future cars/vehicles should technically make them bigger than "older", pre-Movie Car Bots.

For example, regardless of him being a Leader, Armada Megatron has no size equivalent Tank Bot in G1 (not including Six-Changers).

I'd welcome the MP UT line being their own thing. They were in their era, why not in Masterpiece?
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Thu May 13, 2021 7:48 am

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At last! Our first glimpses of MP Raiden and MP Jetfire (here called Jetfire rather than "Skyfire" despite the latter being the name used when we first heard about it, and it's what he was called in the cartoon so it would make the most sense to use that name for this release, but I digress. We'll just have to wait and see which name is used in the final release).

A 3D model of the Trainbot leader Shouki (pronounced "Shoh-kee"), and a gray test shot model of Jetfire/Skyfire next to MP-10 Convoy.

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Thu May 13, 2021 8:39 am

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Not sure about Mr Train, but Jetfire look BOSS!
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby o.supreme » Thu May 13, 2021 10:50 am

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I have no interest in Skyfire, but with that comparison next to MP Prime, it appears he will be the largest MP yet…

I am very much excited for the Trainbots however. I just hope when an actual model comes out, they compare it with other generations figures, not just MP so we can get a sense of size. If it scales with the Voyager CW/UW Constructicons I'll be pleased. If they are any bigger, then unfortunately it won't scale with anything else in my collection. If they are smaller (Generations Deluxe size) I wouldn't mind either, but I don't think there has been an MP toy that small has there? ... sorry I'm not that familiar with MP. I bought the first MP-01 when it cma e out thinkin it would be a one-of-a-kind, nto the start of a whole collection...then sold it a few years later.

A new Raiden is something I've wanted for the longest time, and since it will only be a MP, that is why I'm following its development.
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Masterpiece Skyfire/Jetfire Prototype and Render of Masterpiece Trainbot Shouki Revealed

Postby Bounti76 » Fri May 14, 2021 3:00 am

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Thanks to Seibertronian Sabrblade alerting us to this news, we have new Masterpiece news to share with you! TFW2005 boards member masabon has shared a photo of two upcoming figures from the latest Generations book, which was released yesterday in Japan. In that photo, we can see a grey prototype of Masterpiece Skyfire (or possibly called Jetfire) standing next to MP-10 Optimus Prime, showing that he'll be the biggest Masterpiece figure to date....

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...possibly, until Masterpiece Raiden is released! First teased back in late 2019, this is the first image of the 'bot that turns into the upper torso of Raiden, a G1 Japanese-only combiner. Raiden has a similar origin as Devastator, being a redecoed and slightly retooled version of a Diaclone group of toys (though these turned into trains rather than construction vehicles). This image of Shouki is only a render so far, rather than a physical prototype model of the Trainbot leader. This does prove, however, that the first Masterpiece combiner is coming along, though how soon until we see a physical model of Shouki (or any other Trainbot) is anyone's guess.

Additionally, given the stark size difference in the very cartoon-accurate Skyfire to MP-10, could we see the first Masterpiece figure that crosses the $500 price barrier? Until we know anything about a release date for him, it's hard to tell.

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby TulioDude » Fri May 14, 2021 9:32 am

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Cool,seeing Jetfire being this big gives me hope that future Masterpieces will have the size they need to adhere to scale.

The Trainbot Shouki make me think that a Masterpiece Rail Racer would be dope.

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Fri May 14, 2021 7:36 pm

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TulioDude wrote:Cool,seeing Jetfire being this big gives me hope that future Masterpieces will have the size they need to adhere to scale.

The Trainbot Shouki make me think that a Masterpiece Rail Racer would be dope.

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500 days? Damn, no respect. You know I'm with you bro.

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Fri May 14, 2021 7:47 pm

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby TulioDude » Sun May 16, 2021 6:55 pm

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chuckdawg1999 wrote:
TulioDude wrote:Cool,seeing Jetfire being this big gives me hope that future Masterpieces will have the size they need to adhere to scale.

The Trainbot Shouki make me think that a Masterpiece Rail Racer would be dope.

Day 500 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.


500 days? Damn, no respect. You know I'm with you bro.



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After Bumbleebee Optimus Prime,does anyone else wonder if Hastak will do the Decepticons from that movie,before or after finishing the 2007 cast?
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