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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sowndwave76 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:01 pm

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I have no interest in any of these... Happy for anyone who does.
As I've already said since preordering Starscream, I may be on a permanent vacation from MP's...
It's going to take incredible Inseticons, Blitzwing, or Astrotrain, along with a lull in interest in the regular line offerings to get me back in this game.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:52 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I like that MP Skids isn't even out yet and already has two variants on the way.


And one is coming out the same time as Skids
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:46 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I like that MP Skids isn't even out yet and already has two variants on the way.


And one is coming out the same time as Skids


I wonder what accessories X-Cut will have and what head will it have?
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:53 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I like that MP Skids isn't even out yet and already has two variants on the way.


And one is coming out the same time as Skids


I wonder what accessories X-Cut will have and what head will it have?
Why wouldn't he have the head he's supposed to have?
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:01 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I like that MP Skids isn't even out yet and already has two variants on the way.


And one is coming out the same time as Skids


I wonder what accessories X-Cut will have and what head will it have?
Why wouldn't he have the head he's supposed to have?


Uh? What you said mean nothing.
Unless you have super eyes that can see through small blurry pictures, I have no idea what head this will have.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:08 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I like that MP Skids isn't even out yet and already has two variants on the way.


And one is coming out the same time as Skids


I wonder what accessories X-Cut will have and what head will it have?
Why wouldn't he have the head he's supposed to have?


Uh? What you said mean nothing.
Unless you have super eyes that can see through small blurry pictures, I have no idea what head this will have.
It's not like Crosscut's a new character. He's had an existing design with his own head since 2002. His most recent toy was in 2014's Generations Thrilling 30 line, even.

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Crosscut_(Autobot)
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Hellscream9999 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:17 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I like that MP Skids isn't even out yet and already has two variants on the way.


And one is coming out the same time as Skids


I wonder what accessories X-Cut will have and what head will it have?
Why wouldn't he have the head he's supposed to have?


Uh? What you said mean nothing.
Unless you have super eyes that can see through small blurry pictures, I have no idea what head this will have.

Looks like the reboost head to me >:oP
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:32 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Image


Absolutely serious. It's mind-boggling. :shock:
You must impress easy.

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Hellscream9999 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:49 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Image


Absolutely serious. It's mind-boggling. :shock:
You must impress easy.

I'm not saying Sabrblade isn't smart, but the info he shared regarding the design team is widely known.

Aww, come on, let the guy be nice, maybe he wasn't this deep in the fandom back then. I remember the boards here vividly when the warden team took over, I believe roadbuster and whirl their first figures, and we were all kind of taken aback by the dramatic design shift, it was almost palpable, some people were excited because of how slavishly G1 they were at the time, and others were disappointed at the missed opportunity to do an idw whirl (little did we know that slavishly G1 was the new teams future mantra)
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:12 am

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You should never presume everyone in the fandom is one the same page with their information.

Meanwhile, I'm just hoping that since the last six Masterpiece releases have all been G1(Alongside Raiden, Skywarp and Thundercracker), the next one might get back to Beast Wars.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:58 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:You should never presume everyone in the fandom is one the same page with their information.

Meanwhile, I'm just hoping that since the last six Masterpiece releases have all been G1(Alongside Raiden, Skywarp and Thundercracker), the next one might get back to Beast Wars.
Me too. I'm really hoping for Inferno since he got screwed in the Kingdom line.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:04 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Me too. I'm really hoping for Inferno since he got screwed in the Kingdom line.


blackeyedprime wrote:Scorponoks on my maybe list as it could be forever and a day before a MP version.



It is a good question really. Who should be next? Based on the last few MP's (especially Tigatron), I'd say Tarantulas is next. Which would be fine, as he should be the same, larger mold with similar engineering to BA. As we've reassuringly seen with Cheetor/Tigatron.

However, if not, do we base it on popularity? I'd posit that Scorponok will be way down on the list. Still got Rattrap and Waspinator, who are arguably the most popular of those remaining. Personally I want to see MP Terrorsaur.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:09 am

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I could go for any of the Preds, really. I understand why Rattrap might be next, he's very popular. Personally I don't care for him though. The only reason I would get him us to complete the season 1 cast.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:18 am

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Since it has been so long, I needed a little refresher on who has been done and/or upcoming.

Maximals

Optimus Primal (x3)
Cheetor
Dinobot
Tigatron

Unreleased:
Airazor
Rattrap
Rhinox

Predacons

Megatron
Blackarachnia
(Shadow Panther)

Unreleased:
Inferno
Tarantulas
Terrorsaur
Scorponok
Waspinator

So, aside from the usual bias, we have six out of fourteen right now. With lots of original and unique designs to come.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:25 am

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If they wanted to pull a Bumblebee and include with Rattrap a big accessory to go with him, was there anything that Rattrap had or used in Season 1 that could serve as his big accessory?

(asks the man who just recently finished binge re-watching Beast Wars)
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:27 am

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The Sentinel cannon, from A Better Mousetrap, perhaps?
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby First-Aid » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:27 am

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Hellscream9999 wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Image


Absolutely serious. It's mind-boggling. :shock:
You must impress easy.

I'm not saying Sabrblade isn't smart, but the info he shared regarding the design team is widely known.

Aww, come on, let the guy be nice, maybe he wasn't this deep in the fandom back then. I remember the boards here vividly when the warden team took over, I believe roadbuster and whirl their first figures, and we were all kind of taken aback by the dramatic design shift, it was almost palpable, some people were excited because of how slavishly G1 they were at the time, and others were disappointed at the missed opportunity to do an idw whirl (little did we know that slavishly G1 was the new teams future mantra)


One, I DO impress easily. Lol

Twi, Ive been working on my Masters Degree/Family Nurse Practitioner degree since then and never really put two and two together before, so that statement struck me as insightful.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby TK415 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:23 am

Reinvention might be in the future. Classics and Generations were always dancing around 85% G1 feel/style, and we kept buying until fatigue set in and people stopped buying. Then they went 100% G1 design and people jumped back in. But where can you go from there?

They will likely do all the series with as close to 100% design style as possible next. RID, Armada, Energon, etc. And then what? Won't they need to redesign then?

They will always recycle Prime, Megatron, Starscream, but this is probably the peak of G1 style toys being released in the main toy line.

Masterpiece will probably continue with a mix of G1 and popular figures from other series.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby william-james88 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:41 am

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First-Aid wrote:Unfortunately true. Which means that- for the foreseeable future- there will be no changes in the line. No new characters. No new expansions of the mythos. Nothing even vaguely resembling creativity or new product. Get used to G1 and let's hope you like it because that's ALL you're going to get. And , as I've said multiple times before, for a toy line that is all about change that's truly sad that it's spinning it's wheels and waiting for time and repetition to wear it down.


While I doubt we will ever get something like Beast Wars again, where every character is new, I do see there being a fun mix of G1, Beat Wars and new characters all intermixed. The IDW comics are a very good mix for me. Predominantly G1, but with loads of new mythos and new characters like the whole idea of Transformers creation, a deeper understanding of classism within their world due to alt modes and the DJD.

Plus, the Bumblebee movie was a good example too. While it also has G1 roots, the two main villains were new characters. The Bay films themselves had new characters like Barricade and Blackout/Grindor.

And then we have Cyberverse which also blends different mythos together (was nice to see Strika and Skybyte again) and adds new characters like Thunderhowl, Wildwheel, Croaton and Iaconus.

Sabrblade wrote: From Robots in Disguise 2015 onward, the TV lines suddenly became secondary to the G1-heavy Generations lines in the Warden Era, with the TV lines themselves also becoming more G1-based beginning with Cyberverse using the G1-based evergreen designs. Prior to 2015, the movies were the focus of the brand, while from 2015 onward, the G1-based Generations line and evergreen designs became the brand's main focus.


Not in everyway. I get it in terms of promotion, I live it every day reporting for this site. But it's still not the main part of the brand in terms of sales, or even what's on the shelves. Hasbro is simply targetting fans with what they asked for so all we are seeing is G1 reinvention. But they are still making a ton of product that they don't promote since we are not the audience for it. Like the slew of Cyberverse content coming out, and the Rescue Bots stuff, which are both cartoon based lines. And Cyberverse does occupy the most shelf space. And the movies still get a lot of promotion. John Warden promoted quite a bit for AOE. And the Bumblebee movie had an entire line where us fans were not catered to at all (and thus no need for promoting it to us) with a ton of product.

I do agree that there was a change in 2015 but it wasnt in terms of output, just in terms of targetted marketting due to the changes in technology (social media) and laws (not being able to market to kids).

The power Rangers line is a great example. I follow it closely since it's what my kid is into. If you were to watch the Pulse friday (or whatever) Power Rangers panel, you wouldn't know there is a show out, or that there were even zord toys in production since all that's ever mentionned is the Lightning line. But go to a store and the more abundant figures will be the cheaper figures for the show that's on air. It doesnt need marketting, it has an actual show. These toys don't need to be promoted, they will be assumed to be in stores when parents want to buy the latest Power Rangers toys of whatever show their kid is watching.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby First-Aid » Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:03 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
First-Aid wrote:Unfortunately true. Which means that- for the foreseeable future- there will be no changes in the line. No new characters. No new expansions of the mythos. Nothing even vaguely resembling creativity or new product. Get used to G1 and let's hope you like it because that's ALL you're going to get. And , as I've said multiple times before, for a toy line that is all about change that's truly sad that it's spinning it's wheels and waiting for time and repetition to wear it down.


While I doubt we will ever get something like Beast Wars again, where every character is new, I do see there being a fun mix of G1, Beat Wars and new characters all intermixed. The IDW comics are a very good mix for me. Predominantly G1, but with loads of new mythos and new characters like the whole idea of Transformers creation, a deeper understanding of classism within their world due to alt modes and the DJD.

Plus, the Bumblebee movie was a good example too. While it also has G1 roots, the two main villains were new characters. The Bay films themselves had new characters like Barricade and Blackout/Grindor.

And then we have Cyberverse which also blends different mythos together (was nice to see Strika and Skybyte again) and adds new characters like Thunderhowl, Wildwheel, Croaton and Iaconus.


One of the most annoying things to me personally about Cyberverse is the fact that it is entirely streaming. Because of where I live (middle of nowhere) there is no cable internet or fiberoptic available. The only option is satellite which is "unlimited", meaning I get 100 gigs a month before they prioritize me back to AOL speeds (literally, 30-60 kps; city folk really could give a rats ass about us out in rural America because there's no money to be made, just all their food magically comes from somewhere out here). I have to budget my internet since my wife works from home and I have lectures and assignments for school (this takes up about 80% of that 100 gigs a month). Because of this, I haven't seen any of Cyberverse...I only see the toys which are essentially rehashed G1. I don't know about new characters, so if I'm missing them it's because I don't see the toys in the stores...and THAT is another failure on the part of HasTak.

The Movieverse was as close to a reboot of the brand as we've gotten since Beast Wars because the characters weren't the characters we were used to, and neither were the bot modes. It was very refreshing to see something so different.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:29 pm

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Thinking about it, this MP Nightbird don't make any sense considering Takara's cartoon accuracy philosophy. Nightbird never transformed in the cartoon and she never had that backpack.

A 3-Zero style action figure would have been more appropriate as a true MP Nightbird.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:02 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Thinking about it, this MP Nightbird don't make any sense considering Takara's cartoon accuracy philosophy. Nightbird never transformed in the cartoon and she never had that backpack.

A 3-Zero style action figure would have been more appropriate as a true MP Nightbird.
All they need to do is add the word "Shadow" to her name and this becomes a pretty accurate MP of Nightbird Shadow rather than vanilla Nightbird.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:18 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Thinking about it, this MP Nightbird don't make any sense considering Takara's cartoon accuracy philosophy. Nightbird never transformed in the cartoon and she never had that backpack.

A 3-Zero style action figure would have been more appropriate as a true MP Nightbird.
All they need to do is add the word "Shadow" to her name and this becomes a pretty accurate MP of Nightbird Shadow rather than vanilla Nightbird.


To clarify a wee bit: Nightbird Shadow is not the Nightbird from the G1 cartoon. Rather, Nightbird Shadow is a mass-produced robot by the Tera Kura Co. from the Legends manga, advertised as a ninja maid (not kidding you!).

Still, all it would do is justify the backpack...
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby o.supreme » Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:20 pm

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First-Aid wrote:No new characters. No new expansions of the mythos. Nothing even vaguely resembling creativity or new product.


As much as I enjoy the original series characters, the Fossilizers have been my favorite toys in Kingdom so far. There is still room for new concepts, characters, and ideas in Generations.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:23 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Thinking about it, this MP Nightbird don't make any sense considering Takara's cartoon accuracy philosophy. Nightbird never transformed in the cartoon and she never had that backpack.

A 3-Zero style action figure would have been more appropriate as a true MP Nightbird.
All they need to do is add the word "Shadow" to her name and this becomes a pretty accurate MP of Nightbird Shadow rather than vanilla Nightbird.


In a sense, she's not a "G1" MP. Even if she's just an Arcee repaint/retool, this gives hope for more non-G1 MP. Not counting X-Cut and Reboost, of course.
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