Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:45 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And Starscream got two releases based on the same basic mold, yet got two numbers: MP-03 and MP-11.
The numbering logic restarted with MP-10. Remember the same mold was used for the same character with MP-1 and MP-4 as well. But since the MP-10 refresh, every new number has been a mass retail figure of either a new character, a new mold, or both; but never the same character with the same mold up until now.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:13 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And Starscream got two releases based on the same basic mold, yet got two numbers: MP-03 and MP-11.
The numbering logic restarted with MP-10. Remember the same mold was used for the same character with MP-1 and MP-4 as well. But since the MP-10 refresh, every new number has been a mass retail figure of either a new character, a new mold, or both; but never the same character with the same mold up until now.


I don't think character has much to do with it per se.

MP-38 isn't necessarily a straight re-release, depending on how one looks at it. Disregarding the character argument, it's the same basic mold, no retooling, but it's similar to MP-31 Delta Magnus in that he's got new accessories, yet got a new number. They could have just as easily re-released him straight, no alterations, as MP-32+ or something.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby ScottyP » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:21 pm

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There's no logic to the numbering. You can find something, sure, but I'm pretty sure it just comes down to the arbitrary whim of someone for no really good reason every time.

Anyhow, I think this looks really awesome. Great toy in a fun deco with a bunch of new accessories. Totally in for it and I hope they do the same thing for Cheetor!
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:06 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And Starscream got two releases based on the same basic mold, yet got two numbers: MP-03 and MP-11.
The numbering logic restarted with MP-10. Remember the same mold was used for the same character with MP-1 and MP-4 as well. But since the MP-10 refresh, every new number has been a mass retail figure of either a new character, a new mold, or both; but never the same character with the same mold up until now.


I don't think character has much to do with it per se.

MP-38 isn't necessarily a straight re-release, depending on how one looks at it. Disregarding the character argument, it's the same basic mold, no retooling, but it's similar to MP-31 Delta Magnus in that he's got new accessories, yet got a new number. They could have just as easily re-released him straight, no alterations, as MP-32+ or something.
But Delta Magnus was a new character. He wasn't Ultra Magnus.

It's been like the following (new tooling/accessories or not) ever since MP-10 and MP-11:

MP-12 Lambor - new mold, new character
MP-13 Soundwave w/ Condor - new molds, new characters
MP-14 Alert - old mold, new character
MP-15 Rumble & Jaguar - new molds, new characters
MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw - old molds, new characters
MP-17 Prowl - new mold, new character
MP-18 Streak - old mold, new character
MP-19 Smokescreen - old mold new character
MP-20 Wheeljack - new mold, new character
MP-21 Bumble - new mold, new character
MP-22 Ultra Magnus - new mold, new character
MP-23 Exhaust - old mold, new character
MP-24 Star Saber - new mold, new character
MP-25 Tracks - new mold, new character
MP-26 Road Rage - old mold, new character
MP-27 Ironhide - new mold, new character
MP-28 Hot Rodimus - new mold, new character (for this refresh era, and technically MP-9 was Rodimus Convoy, but regardless, it's a new mold anyway)
MP-29 Destron Laserwave - new mold, new character
MP-30 Ratchet - old mold, new character
MP-31 Delta Magnus - old mold, new character
MP-32 Convoy (Beast Wars) - new mold, new character
MP-33 Inferno - new mold, new character
MP-34 Cheetus - new mold, new character
MP-35 Grapple - old mold, new character
MP-36 Megatron - new mold, new character (again, for this refresh era, and it is a new mold anyway)
MP-37 Artfire w/ Nightstick - one old mold and one new mold, both new characters
MP-38 Convoy (Beast Wars) Legendary Supreme Commander Ver. - old mold, old character

This is the first main line mass retail MP to be an "old mold, old character" case, whereas all previous cases like this, for the refresh era, have instead been exclusives w/ lettered ID numbers. By all reason, this toy ought to be a lettered exclusive instead of a unique-numbered mass retail MP.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby Va'al » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:52 pm

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ScottyP wrote:There's no logic to the numbering. You can find something, sure, but I'm pretty sure it just comes down to the arbitrary whim of someone for no really good reason every time.



Just throwing this one back out there.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby sol magnus » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:17 pm

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ScottyP wrote:There's no logic to the numbering. You can find something, sure, but I'm pretty sure it just comes down to the arbitrary whim of someone for no really good reason every time.



Just throwing this one back out there.

The problem there is Saberblade is actually right about the nature of the releases - Supreme Commander ver. is the only one breaking the "theme".

As for this figure, I was totally out on Beast Wars Masterpiece. This release, however, has me at least thinking about it.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby SureShot18 » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:19 pm

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SureShot18 wrote:Ooh that's super nice. Now I know I'm not getting this mold because I couldn't decide between the decos. :lol:

Oh the usual answer, not enough monies.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:57 pm

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SureShot18 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
SureShot18 wrote:Ooh that's super nice. Now I know I'm not getting this mold because I couldn't decide between the decos. :lol:

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:29 am

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Va'al wrote:
ScottyP wrote:There's no logic to the numbering. You can find something, sure, but I'm pretty sure it just comes down to the arbitrary whim of someone for no really good reason every time.



Just throwing this one back out there.


Ugh... fine. I was mainly looking at retools and new accessories, and taking "new characters" out of the equation. True, the cassettes were the exception by being straight redecos, no retooling whatsoever, but aside from that...

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby Stumpybot » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:56 am

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I know its wrong to think this way, but I take serious glee in the fact that there is a particular set of militant 'compulsive' fans who only like a bit of G1, that will be going 7 types of crazy over the fact he has a number of his own. Karma I guess.

In all seriousness though, Im kind of sad about this as I cant justify a second purchase and I wouldve chosen the toy deco over the CGI model every time as I was never into the cartoon but loved the toy.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby SureShot18 » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:04 am

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SureShot18 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
SureShot18 wrote:Ooh that's super nice. Now I know I'm not getting this mold because I couldn't decide between the decos. :lol:

Oh the usual answer, not enough monies.
With time and disciplined patience, one can aim to save up enough monies. ;)

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby Emerje » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:34 pm

Sabrblade wrote:It's been like the following (new tooling/accessories or not) ever since MP-10 and MP-11:

MP-12 Lambor - new mold, new character
MP-13 Soundwave w/ Condor - new molds, new characters
MP-14 Alert - old mold, new character
MP-15 Rumble & Jaguar - new molds, new characters
MP-16 Frenzy & Buzzsaw - old molds, new characters
MP-17 Prowl - new mold, new character
MP-18 Streak - old mold, new character
MP-19 Smokescreen - old mold new character
MP-20 Wheeljack - new mold, new character
MP-21 Bumble - new mold, new character
MP-22 Ultra Magnus - new mold, new character
MP-23 Exhaust - old mold, new character
MP-24 Star Saber - new mold, new character
MP-25 Tracks - new mold, new character
MP-26 Road Rage - old mold, new character
MP-27 Ironhide - new mold, new character
MP-28 Hot Rodimus - new mold, new character (for this refresh era, and technically MP-9 was Rodimus Convoy, but regardless, it's a new mold anyway)
MP-29 Destron Laserwave - new mold, new character
MP-30 Ratchet - old mold, new character
MP-31 Delta Magnus - old mold, new character
MP-32 Convoy (Beast Wars) - new mold, new character
MP-33 Inferno - new mold, new character
MP-34 Cheetus - new mold, new character
MP-35 Grapple - old mold, new character
MP-36 Megatron - new mold, new character (again, for this refresh era, and it is a new mold anyway)
MP-37 Artfire w/ Nightstick - one old mold and one new mold, both new characters
MP-38 Convoy (Beast Wars) Legendary Supreme Commander Ver. - old mold, old character

This is the first main line mass retail MP to be an "old mold, old character" case, whereas all previous cases like this, for the refresh era, have instead been exclusives w/ lettered ID numbers. By all reason, this toy ought to be a lettered exclusive instead of a unique-numbered mass retail MP.

Another outlier:

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MP-13B Soundblaster - Not an exclusive, not exactly a new character, though packaged with a new mold Ratbat and not a unique number. They didn't have to make MP-38 a unique number, they just felt like it.

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:55 pm

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Emerje wrote:Another outlier:
Twas still an "old mold, old character" case as many lettered ID numbered MPs have been.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby Emerje » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:18 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Emerje wrote:Another outlier:
Twas still an "old mold, old character" case as many lettered ID numbered MPs have been.

Sure, but unlike MP-12G Lambor G-2 Ver. and MP-21G Bumble G-2 Ver., also sold at mass retail, which were just straight repaints with additional accessories (like MP-38), Soundblaster even included an entirely new second figure which is unique to both mass retail and exclusives in the line that have been lettered. He would be more deserving of a unique number than the new Primal is.

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:33 pm

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Emerje wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Emerje wrote:Another outlier:
Twas still an "old mold, old character" case as many lettered ID numbered MPs have been.

Sure, but unlike MP-12G Lambor G-2 Ver. and MP-21G Bumble G-2 Ver., also sold at mass retail, which were just straight repaints with additional accessories (like MP-38), Soundblaster even included an entirely new second figure which is unique to both mass retail and exclusives in the line that have been lettered. He would be more deserving of a unique number than the new Primal is.
Hmm, I guess the lettered ones could then be considered as either exclusives or "old mold, old character" cases (or both), with MP-38 still breaking that pattern as well. :-?
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby william-james88 » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:56 pm

There is no pattern, MP 38 confirms that pretty well.
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Postby Va'al » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:45 am

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Much like the previous iteration of this mold from Takara Tomy, the Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Convoy / Optimus Primal Supreme Commander version will have an added accessory through Hasbro Transformers Asia, once more in diecast, and replacing the mace now available as a regular accessory: this time, according to the their Facebook page, it's a bunch of bananas. No, seriously. Check it out below!

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) Asia Exclusive Bananas

Postby Sigma Magnus » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:10 am

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Va'al wrote:Much like the previous iteration of this mold from Takara Tomy, the Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Convoy / Optimus Primal Supreme Commander version will have an added accessory through Hasbro Transformers Asia, once more in diecast, and replacing the mace now available as a regular accessory: this time, according to the their Facebook page, it's a bunch of bananas.

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby kurthy » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:24 am

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This just makes me want an MP beast wars Megatron even more. Imagine the possibilities. Exclusive rubber ducky! A back scrubber instead of a flail...a bathtub
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby D-Maximus_Prime » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:28 am

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kurthy wrote:This just makes me want an MP beast wars Megatron even more. Imagine the possibilities. Exclusive rubber ducky! A back scrubber instead of a flail...a bathtub

Rubber ducky, you're the one!

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby dragons » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:56 am

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Va'al wrote:Much like the previous iteration of this mold from Takara Tomy, the Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Convoy / Optimus Primal Supreme Commander version will have an added accessory through Hasbro Transformers Asia, once more in diecast, and replacing the mace now available as a regular accessory: this time, according to the their Facebook page, it's a bunch of bananas.

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

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More Images of Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

Postby Va'al » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:12 pm

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We have some additional images of the upcoming redeco of the first Beast Wars Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece, in his movie colours as Supreme Commander Beast Convoy! The photos are part of the Figure King magazine collage, courtesy of a scan by Loopaza Mega Store on Facebook - check them out mirrored below, as you notice that the only actual new image is number 4, showing off how to store the mutant mask and other accessories on his back, with the blue tab seen in images previously.

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