No moreso than Michael Bay's special brand of juvenile humor has been.PhotonWaveZero wrote:This take on the franchise just feels very childish,
Well, in all fairness, it is a movie made by Paramount, Nickelodeon's parent company.PhotonWaveZero wrote:with some Nickelodeon style humor
In a previous interview, the director said he crammed so much humor into the first trailer because of how deep and tragic the film's story gets, to prevent people from thinking it was going to be a moody film with no fun in it.PhotonWaveZero wrote:I hope to be proven wrong, but my expectations are being kept extremely low.
Which was never about being bold or daring, but about cynical hubris born out of a capitalist desire to sell new toys and discard the old ones like trash. They killed off Optimus back then because they didn't care about Optimus, a carelessness that backfired on them big time and from which they've never recovered to this day.PhotonWaveZero wrote:I'm not expecting the sheer badassery that was the divisive transformers Autobot City siege that resulted in Prime's death.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
PhotonWaveZero wrote:I know I've heard positive buzz about this, but all these years of waiting for a new animated film to hit the heights of the original series or beyond, and this is the BEST they can come up with?
For one thing, the designs are very chibi and unappealing, and the humor is complete slapstick and very meta / will not age well.
I just don't see who this is targeted at? You can make something appealing to all age groups without completely aiming for the little little kids. If the characters in the storyline is good, kids will get it. X-Men 97 was a prime example of bringing back a series and making it appealing to modern audiences. This is just pandering to the demographic. I'll support it just because it's a transformers property in some form, whether I rent it off Amazon or go to a theater, but I'm tremendously disappointed with the end result. I don't think we're ever going to get a worthy follow up to G1.
william-james88 wrote:PhotonWaveZero wrote:I know I've heard positive buzz about this, but all these years of waiting for a new animated film to hit the heights of the original series or beyond, and this is the BEST they can come up with?
For one thing, the designs are very chibi and unappealing, and the humor is complete slapstick and very meta / will not age well.
I just don't see who this is targeted at? You can make something appealing to all age groups without completely aiming for the little little kids. If the characters in the storyline is good, kids will get it. X-Men 97 was a prime example of bringing back a series and making it appealing to modern audiences. This is just pandering to the demographic. I'll support it just because it's a transformers property in some form, whether I rent it off Amazon or go to a theater, but I'm tremendously disappointed with the end result. I don't think we're ever going to get a worthy follow up to G1.
X-men 97 is a prime example of pandering to a specific demographic. It had fan service by the gallons. But since you are a fan and you felt serviced, you were ok with it.
"Nostalgic adults who were kids in the '90s" is a demographic.chuckdawg1999 wrote:william-james88 wrote:PhotonWaveZero wrote:I know I've heard positive buzz about this, but all these years of waiting for a new animated film to hit the heights of the original series or beyond, and this is the BEST they can come up with?
For one thing, the designs are very chibi and unappealing, and the humor is complete slapstick and very meta / will not age well.
I just don't see who this is targeted at? You can make something appealing to all age groups without completely aiming for the little little kids. If the characters in the storyline is good, kids will get it. X-Men 97 was a prime example of bringing back a series and making it appealing to modern audiences. This is just pandering to the demographic. I'll support it just because it's a transformers property in some form, whether I rent it off Amazon or go to a theater, but I'm tremendously disappointed with the end result. I don't think we're ever going to get a worthy follow up to G1.
X-men 97 is a prime example of pandering to a specific demographic. It had fan service by the gallons. But since you are a fan and you felt serviced, you were ok with it.
I'm sorry but I don't think Xmen 97 was pandering to a specific demographic. It's set in the year 1997, were you expecting smartphones and Taylor Swift? The stories were being drawn from the 80s and 90s,considered some of the best comics ever printed, it wouldn't make sense to do more modern stories, yet.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:"Nostalgic adults who were kids in the '90s" is a demographic.chuckdawg1999 wrote:william-james88 wrote:PhotonWaveZero wrote:I know I've heard positive buzz about this, but all these years of waiting for a new animated film to hit the heights of the original series or beyond, and this is the BEST they can come up with?
For one thing, the designs are very chibi and unappealing, and the humor is complete slapstick and very meta / will not age well.
I just don't see who this is targeted at? You can make something appealing to all age groups without completely aiming for the little little kids. If the characters in the storyline is good, kids will get it. X-Men 97 was a prime example of bringing back a series and making it appealing to modern audiences. This is just pandering to the demographic. I'll support it just because it's a transformers property in some form, whether I rent it off Amazon or go to a theater, but I'm tremendously disappointed with the end result. I don't think we're ever going to get a worthy follow up to G1.
X-men 97 is a prime example of pandering to a specific demographic. It had fan service by the gallons. But since you are a fan and you felt serviced, you were ok with it.
I'm sorry but I don't think Xmen 97 was pandering to a specific demographic. It's set in the year 1997, were you expecting smartphones and Taylor Swift? The stories were being drawn from the 80s and 90s,considered some of the best comics ever printed, it wouldn't make sense to do more modern stories, yet.
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:"Nostalgic adults who were kids in the '90s" is a demographic.chuckdawg1999 wrote:william-james88 wrote:PhotonWaveZero wrote:I know I've heard positive buzz about this, but all these years of waiting for a new animated film to hit the heights of the original series or beyond, and this is the BEST they can come up with?
For one thing, the designs are very chibi and unappealing, and the humor is complete slapstick and very meta / will not age well.
I just don't see who this is targeted at? You can make something appealing to all age groups without completely aiming for the little little kids. If the characters in the storyline is good, kids will get it. X-Men 97 was a prime example of bringing back a series and making it appealing to modern audiences. This is just pandering to the demographic. I'll support it just because it's a transformers property in some form, whether I rent it off Amazon or go to a theater, but I'm tremendously disappointed with the end result. I don't think we're ever going to get a worthy follow up to G1.
X-men 97 is a prime example of pandering to a specific demographic. It had fan service by the gallons. But since you are a fan and you felt serviced, you were ok with it.
I'm sorry but I don't think Xmen 97 was pandering to a specific demographic. It's set in the year 1997, were you expecting smartphones and Taylor Swift? The stories were being drawn from the 80s and 90s,considered some of the best comics ever printed, it wouldn't make sense to do more modern stories, yet.
I understand that but the show was a continuation of the lady season, there was a thread to follow, if the called the show X-men 97 but set it in 2024 it wouldn't have made sense. If anything it was refreshing to see an Xmen show that wasn't Wolverine and friends.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
megatronus wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:"Nostalgic adults who were kids in the '90s" is a demographic.chuckdawg1999 wrote:william-james88 wrote:PhotonWaveZero wrote:I know I've heard positive buzz about this, but all these years of waiting for a new animated film to hit the heights of the original series or beyond, and this is the BEST they can come up with?
For one thing, the designs are very chibi and unappealing, and the humor is complete slapstick and very meta / will not age well.
I just don't see who this is targeted at? You can make something appealing to all age groups without completely aiming for the little little kids. If the characters in the storyline is good, kids will get it. X-Men 97 was a prime example of bringing back a series and making it appealing to modern audiences. This is just pandering to the demographic. I'll support it just because it's a transformers property in some form, whether I rent it off Amazon or go to a theater, but I'm tremendously disappointed with the end result. I don't think we're ever going to get a worthy follow up to G1.
X-men 97 is a prime example of pandering to a specific demographic. It had fan service by the gallons. But since you are a fan and you felt serviced, you were ok with it.
I'm sorry but I don't think Xmen 97 was pandering to a specific demographic. It's set in the year 1997, were you expecting smartphones and Taylor Swift? The stories were being drawn from the 80s and 90s,considered some of the best comics ever printed, it wouldn't make sense to do more modern stories, yet.
I understand that but the show was a continuation of the last season, there was a thread to follow, if the called the show X-men 97 but set it in 2024 it wouldn't have made sense. If anything it was refreshing to see an Xmen show that wasn't Wolverine and friends.
That doesn't really contradict Will's point. X-Men '97 100% pandered to a specific demographic of fans.
I don't know what that has to be controversial. There's nothing wrong with that. It is a great show. But let's not pretend it was a mere continuation of the original. It went into much darker and emotionally resonant places, and matured the content to match that demographic they were pandering to.
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Because it wasn't pandering, the show got darker because the source material got darker, much darker. If I seem defensive it's because fans have made the term pandering a negative like they did nostalgia.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Considering that Optimus hasn't only been a part of every franchise media in 1 for or another ever since 1084 and has the most diverse selection of figures in the entire franchise (even after the 2007 movie made Bee the main star), I will disagree with that. They actually recovered rather quickly, bringing back Prime in season 3, as well as changing Duke's fate in the G.I.Joe animated movie.Sabrblade wrote:They killed off Optimus back then because they didn't care about Optimus, a carelessness that backfired on them big time and from which they've never recovered to this day.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Considering that Optimus hasn't only been a part of every franchise media in 1 for or another ever since 1084 and has the most diverse selection of figures in the entire franchise (even after the 2007 movie made Bee the main star), I will disagree with that. They actually recovered rather quickly, bringing back Prime in season 3, as well as changing Duke's fate in the G.I.Joe animated movie.Sabrblade wrote:They killed off Optimus back then because they didn't care about Optimus, a carelessness that backfired on them big time and from which they've never recovered to this day.
As for the SS B-127 from TFOne, I saw him at Wal-Mart and wasn't impressed. The figure is small, and the paint job is dull. Looks more like 2-step changer.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Considering that Optimus hasn't only been a part of every franchise media in 1 for or another ever since 1084 and has the most diverse selection of figures in the entire franchise (even after the 2007 movie made Bee the main star), I will disagree with that. They actually recovered rather quickly, bringing back Prime in season 3, as well as changing Duke's fate in the G.I.Joe animated movie.Sabrblade wrote:They killed off Optimus back then because they didn't care about Optimus, a carelessness that backfired on them big time and from which they've never recovered to this day.
As for the SS B-127 from TFOne, I saw him at Wal-Mart and wasn't impressed. The figure is small, and the paint job is dull. Looks more like 2-step changer.
SS was just revealed, that's the mainline toy
Rodimus Prime wrote:Considering that Optimus hasn't only been a part of every franchise media in 1 for or another ever since 1084 and has the most diverse selection of figures in the entire franchise (even after the 2007 movie made Bee the main star), I will disagree with that. They actually recovered rather quickly, bringing back Prime in season 3, as well as changing Duke's fate in the G.I.Joe animated movie.Sabrblade wrote:They killed off Optimus back then because they didn't care about Optimus, a carelessness that backfired on them big time and from which they've never recovered to this day.
As for the SS B-127 from TFOne, I saw him at Wal-Mart and wasn't impressed. The figure is small, and the paint job is dull. Looks more like 2-step changer.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Considering that Optimus hasn't only been a part of every franchise media in 1 for or another ever since 1084 and has the most diverse selection of figures in the entire franchise (even after the 2007 movie made Bee the main star), I will disagree with that. They actually recovered rather quickly, bringing back Prime in season 3, as well as changing Duke's fate in the G.I.Joe animated movie.Sabrblade wrote:They killed off Optimus back then because they didn't care about Optimus, a carelessness that backfired on them big time and from which they've never recovered to this day.
As for the SS B-127 from TFOne, I saw him at Wal-Mart and wasn't impressed. The figure is small, and the paint job is dull. Looks more like 2-step changer.
cloudballoon wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Considering that Optimus hasn't only been a part of every franchise media in 1 for or another ever since 1084 and has the most diverse selection of figures in the entire franchise (even after the 2007 movie made Bee the main star), I will disagree with that. They actually recovered rather quickly, bringing back Prime in season 3, as well as changing Duke's fate in the G.I.Joe animated movie.Sabrblade wrote:They killed off Optimus back then because they didn't care about Optimus, a carelessness that backfired on them big time and from which they've never recovered to this day.
As for the SS B-127 from TFOne, I saw him at Wal-Mart and wasn't impressed. The figure is small, and the paint job is dull. Looks more like 2-step changer.
SS was just revealed, that's the mainline toy
Ironic that, to me at least, I'm feeling the SS version is no better than mainline? They're about even. Mainline got a better looking upper body, SS got rid of the atrocious hollowness in the legs. Mainline's alt mode look sleeker, SS got all the weapons for a higher price. BOTH look unimpressive because they lack a ton of shiny, shiny gold paint. I'm going (again) with Yolopark AMK and some Threezero MDLX if I'm going into TF:1.
william-james88 wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:Because it wasn't pandering, the show got darker because the source material got darker, much darker. If I seem defensive it's because fans have made the term pandering a negative like they did nostalgia.
Na, there's a bunch of storylines and source material they could have chosen and they went with the one that Beau De Mayo felt would be a better fit for the audience it was made for (as he recently confirmed when Disney was asking him to do different stories). And the source material did not get darker. The darkest material from the comics is not from the late 90s but instead from the earlier 80s with God Loves Man Kills and then from the more recent era of X-Force from 10 years ago (which they didn't use).
And yes fans have made the term pandering negative, but that's on them. And that's what I was pointing out. Someone called this new film pandering to its audience and all I did was call out that what they liked was pandering to them. If people are triggered by a term, then they shouldn't use it themselves because it can always be flipped right back to them.
And I want to be very clear, there is NOTHING WRONG with liking something that was specifically made to appeal to you, that's the point. There is nothing wrong with good fan service. We are fans, we will give our attention/money to what services us.
I loves X-men 97 and I can't wait to watch Transformers One. Till all are ONE
I agree on the impact of Optimus dying, as well as the subsequent backlash. But I do disagree that Hasbro never recovered from it. Not only did they recover, but practically built the franchise on the fandom's bond with Optimus.Seibertron wrote:I would argue that killing off Optimus Prime unintentionally left a huge impact on young fans back in the day that it cemented an unlikely emotional connection between content and fans that continues to have lasting effects. Had Optimus survived the movie, I feel that this brand would not be what it is today. It was a poor decision at that time but it accidentally created an unprecedented bond between a toy brand and fans of that brand.
No I was wrong it was the mainline figure. It was hung up next to SS86 Bee and I guess I subconsciously conflated the 2 boxes. My bad. It was 11 PM after I worked 12 hours.If you actually saw SS b-127 from tfone in stores that would be a major new sighting. Next time you are there, please take a pic of this SS figure
Rodimus Prime wrote:No I was wrong it was the mainline figure. It was hung up next to SS86 Bee and I guess I subconsciously conflated the 2 boxes. My bad. It was 11 PM after I worked 12 hours.If you actually saw SS b-127 from tfone in stores that would be a major new sighting. Next time you are there, please take a pic of this SS figure
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