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Postby william-james88 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:31 pm

steals_your_goats wrote:As for monstructor and dinoking I think we're all forgetting about what combiner wars introduced for 6th members. If either or both of these are to be released it'll most likely be in a box set so it'll need a legends figure to reach the $100 price point.


But thats not what happened with Liokaiser, the only original 6 member combiner that was turned scramble city, and the best bot to base any of these hopes on. The 6th member was not a smaller version of one of its original members, but an homage to the breastmasters the original came with.
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Postby Agregor » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:42 pm

Sludge doesn't look that bad in person, and OOOOOH I cannot wait for Rippersnapper and Blackwing....
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby steals_your_goats » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:45 pm

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steals_your_goats wrote:As for monstructor and dinoking I think we're all forgetting about what combiner wars introduced for 6th members. If either or both of these are to be released it'll most likely be in a box set so it'll need a legends figure to reach the $100 price point.


But thats not what happened with Liokaiser, the only original 6 member combiner that was turned scramble city, and the best bot to base any of these hopes on. The 6th member was not a smaller version of one of its original members, but an homage to the breastmasters the original came with.


Which was likely due to the fact that there were no molds suitable to use for the 2 missing members. And while there aren't any legends molds right now that would work there's still 2 waves left to fill that gap.
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Postby ScottyP » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:02 pm

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I wouldn't mind seeing two molds retooled in various crazy ways to yield Slog & Birdbrain, Jarugar & Leozack, and Shouki & Kaen.

Don't ask me how on Earth that could ever actually work. That's not my job :lol:
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Postby Emerje » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:37 pm

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mordhelm wrote:I am still extremely curious what the boxsets will be for this subline. The TR boxsets seemingly sold way better than CW.

Don't expect any box sets in Power of the Primes. Hasbro was supposed to make two more box sets in Titans Return, but canceled them based on, I believe, the poor sales of the CW sets. Instead they made the remaining clones a Walgreens exclusive and put Arcee with die cast TM Ultra Magnus and Grotusque with die cast TM Scorponok out as convention/TRU exclusives. Theoretically that would mean there are two TR Leaders and two Voyagers sitting in a Hasbro warehouse somewhere that may never seen the light of day depending on how far into the process they got.

The TR box sets did sell really well, but you can still get Arcee on TRU.com months later so...

william-james88 wrote:On a more on topic note, I will buy a 5 member Dinoking, if the price is right. I am far more interested by the dinobots being reused to make Dinoking than the terrorcons reused to make monstructor since the alt modes look more the part.

You think so? I guess it depends on if you want them to turn into their shells or not. Outside Japan the Dinoforce shells aren't very iconic and it would be hard to look at the figures as anything other than green Dinobots. On the other hand I think there's some potential in Terrorcons looking really good in Pretender Monster (very creative name, Hasbro) colors.

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Granted, they wouldn't all be perfect, but maybe if they give us Seacons we'll have more options.

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Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:49 pm

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ScottyP wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing two molds retooled in various crazy ways to yield Slog & Birdbrain, Jarugar & Leozack, and Shouki & Kaen.

Don't ask me how on Earth that could ever actually work. That's not my job :lol:

You know, aside from the head and size difference, maybe they should of waited till PotP for liokaiser as they could of retooled starscream for leozack
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby mordhelm » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:11 pm

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Emerje wrote:Don't expect any box sets in Power of the Primes. Hasbro was supposed to make two more box sets in Titans Return, but canceled them based on, I believe, the poor sales of the CW sets. Instead they made the remaining clones a Walgreens exclusive and put Arcee with die cast TM Ultra Magnus and Grotusque with die cast TM Scorponok out as convention/TRU exclusives. Theoretically that would mean there are two TR Leaders and two Voyagers sitting in a Hasbro warehouse somewhere that may never seen the light of day depending on how far into the process they got.

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I remember this discussion last year when the boxsets were coming out, and the general consensus was that we (the fandom) ASSUMED that it would be 4 large boxsets because of something about getting all 4 Clones (and finishing off the "ultimate" Titan Masters). I don't believe Hasbro ever said they were doing 4 full size boxsets.

But by that logic, if TR's big boxsets did, in fact sell well, I would say it is still potentially on the table.

We didn't actually get confirmation of the Boxsets until Toy Fair 2017. And it is highly likely that Hasbro has instituted multiple measures to prevent leaks since the Summer. Maybe we will be in for a treat come Toy Fair 2018. If we aren't, oh well. But I think the odds are still good for boxsets.

Here is the link to the 2 articles we got in February 2017 to confirm that boxsets were even coming:
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:19 pm

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mordhelm wrote:
Emerje wrote:Don't expect any box sets in Power of the Primes. Hasbro was supposed to make two more box sets in Titans Return, but canceled them based on, I believe, the poor sales of the CW sets. Instead they made the remaining clones a Walgreens exclusive and put Arcee with die cast TM Ultra Magnus and Grotusque with die cast TM Scorponok out as convention/TRU exclusives. Theoretically that would mean there are two TR Leaders and two Voyagers sitting in a Hasbro warehouse somewhere that may never seen the light of day depending on how far into the process they got.

...

Emerje


I remember this discussion last year when the boxsets were coming out, and the general consensus was that we (the fandom) ASSUMED that it would be 4 large boxsets because of something about getting all 4 Clones (and finishing off the "ultimate" Titan Masters). I don't believe Hasbro ever said they were doing 4 full size boxsets.

But by that logic, if TR's big boxsets did, in fact sell well, I would say it is still potentially on the table.

We didn't actually get confirmation of the Boxsets until Toy Fair 2017. And it is highly likely that Hasbro has instituted multiple measures to prevent leaks since the Summer. Maybe we will be in for a treat come Toy Fair 2018. If we aren't, oh well. But I think the odds are still good for boxsets.


Emphasis on "assumed" here. What works against that 4 box sets theory is that Trypticon cereal box which listed all names for the Titan Masters. By that count, 4 were missing, 2 for the Voyagers, 2 for the Leaders. So it's quite possible that 4 were initially planned, but were quickly split off during fleshing out of the plans. But that's all in the past now.

What would the themes for potential PotP box sets be anyway, Combiners aside? Monstructor could be done as a 6 member team that way, as the two torso bots would most likely be between regular retail Size Classes. Exclusives, including box sets, don't have that restriction.
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Postby Acesmcgee » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:32 pm

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I could easily see the other duocon being in a box set if they did some heavy retool g of battletrap.
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Postby steals_your_goats » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:39 pm

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Acesmcgee wrote:I could easily see the other duocon being in a box set if they did some heavy retool g of battletrap.

If we're getting Flywheels it'll be a new mold. Hasbro doesn't retool legends figures besides new heads.
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Postby avarathriul » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:50 pm

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Postby Acesmcgee » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:52 pm

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True enough, part of why I was surprised we.got chase and not cliffjumper. Also, have to say, I was all happy thinking of the retooling possibility, and then you came along...steals goats nothing, stole my thunder. LOL
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Postby steals_your_goats » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:53 pm

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Acesmcgee wrote:True enough, part of why I was surprised we.got chase and not cliffjumper. Also, have to say, I was all happy thinking of the retooling possibility, and then you came along...steals goats nothing, stole my thunder. LOL

Lol it's what I do
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Lore Keeper » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:17 pm

I'm remaining hopeful that :HASBRO: and/or :TAKARATOMY: will develop two bot torsos. They could sell them in a two pack at the voyager pricepoint. That may make the two characters a little on the small side, but their torso mode would then scale perfectly. Or, as suggested above, they could do a $100 box set, exclude the Legends class toy, and just make both torso bots roughly deluxe size. It would be about the same value. I bought Liokaiser, I love Liokaiser and his four limb bots, but I hate the Deathsaurus/Leozack/Jallguar/Sky Lynx fusion abomination. This ain't no Steven Universe! :-P
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Postby Flashwave » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:31 pm

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Lore Keeper wrote:I'm remaining hopeful that :HASBRO: and/or :TAKARATOMY: will develop two bot torsos. They could sell them in a two pack at the voyager pricepoint. That may make the two characters a little on the small side, but their torso mode would then scale perfectly. Or, as suggested above, they could do a $100 box set, exclude the Legends class toy, and just make both torso bots roughly deluxe size. It would be about the same value. I bought Liokaiser, I love Liokaiser and his four limb bots, but I hate the Deathsaurus/Leozack/Jallguar/Sky Lynx fusion abomination. This ain't no Steven Universe! :-P
the Voyager Pricepointwould not cover the cost for engineering 2 deluxes. 2 little guys =/= 1 bug guy. Maybe if theyvdropped it at a 2999 pricepoint and gave it to Walgreens, but even then it would be tight, and remember that part of that price mRkup is Walgreens, not Hasbro. Hasbro still gets a comperable wholesale cost, whatever that might be
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Lore Keeper » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:34 pm

Flashwave wrote:
Lore Keeper wrote:I'm remaining hopeful that :HASBRO: and/or :TAKARATOMY: will develop two bot torsos. They could sell them in a two pack at the voyager pricepoint. That may make the two characters a little on the small side, but their torso mode would then scale perfectly. Or, as suggested above, they could do a $100 box set, exclude the Legends class toy, and just make both torso bots roughly deluxe size. It would be about the same value. I bought Liokaiser, I love Liokaiser and his four limb bots, but I hate the Deathsaurus/Leozack/Jallguar/Sky Lynx fusion abomination. This ain't no Steven Universe! :-P
the Voyager Pricepointwould not cover the cost for engineering 2 deluxes. 2 little guys =/= 1 bug guy. Maybe if theyvdropped it at a 2999 pricepoint and gave it to Walgreens, but even then it would be tight, and remember that part of that price mRkup is Walgreens, not Hasbro. Hasbro still gets a comperable wholesale cost, whatever that might be

I was suggesting creating two figures that, when combined, would be the size of a Voyager. So, each one would likely be a bit smaller than your average deluxe.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Flashwave » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:45 pm

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Flashwave wrote:
Lore Keeper wrote:I'm remaining hopeful that :HASBRO: and/or :TAKARATOMY: will develop two bot torsos. They could sell them in a two pack at the voyager pricepoint. That may make the two characters a little on the small side, but their torso mode would then scale perfectly. Or, as suggested above, they could do a $100 box set, exclude the Legends class toy, and just make both torso bots roughly deluxe size. It would be about the same value. I bought Liokaiser, I love Liokaiser and his four limb bots, but I hate the Deathsaurus/Leozack/Jallguar/Sky Lynx fusion abomination. This ain't no Steven Universe! :-P
the Voyager Pricepointwould not cover the cost for engineering 2 deluxes. 2 little guys =/= 1 bug guy. Maybe if theyvdropped it at a 2999 pricepoint and gave it to Walgreens, but even then it would be tight, and remember that part of that price mRkup is Walgreens, not Hasbro. Hasbro still gets a comperable wholesale cost, whatever that might be

I was suggesting creating two figures that, when combined, would be the size of a Voyager. So, each one would likely be a bit smaller than your average deluxe.

Yep, I know what you are getting at, but a Legends figure isnt going to have the bulk needed to solidly hold those Combiner pegs. So already you need something close to Deluxe just for two slots (two for shoukders, and the other bot has 2 for the hips)

Now I am just spitballing numbers based on what I have read and heard in the past, but from factory to store Deluxe costs (to Hasbro) are something like 70% of a Voyager. The difference in price comes from the extra plastic, and shipping since you can get more Deluxes in a box and spread out the R&D costs across more of them. But actual tooling is almost the same between the two price points. So just shrinking the figure down does not offset the R&D costs. I'm not sure eliminating the bonus figure would still get you in cost effective range, since repainting is a whole lot cheaper than banging out an all new tooling.

But please, :HASBRO: for the sake of the fandom, please prove me wrong.
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Postby Lore Keeper » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:17 pm

Yep, I know what you are getting at, but a Legends figure isnt going to have the bulk needed to solidly hold those Combiner pegs. So already you need something close to Deluxe just for two slots (two for shoukders, and the other bot has 2 for the hips)

Now I am just spitballing numbers based on what I have read and heard in the past, but from factory to store Deluxe costs (to Hasbro) are something like 70% of a Voyager. The difference in price comes from the extra plastic, and shipping since you can get more Deluxes in a box and spread out the R&D costs across more of them. But actual tooling is almost the same between the two price points. So just shrinking the figure down does not offset the R&D costs. I'm not sure eliminating the bonus figure would still get you in cost effective range, since repainting is a whole lot cheaper than banging out an all new tooling.

But please, :HASBRO: for the sake of the fandom, please prove me wrong.

That was some interesting logistical info.
It did make my idea seem rather infeasible. The only other thing I can think of would be to release two carded deluxes that combine into a torso. It would deviate from the play pattern a bit, but wouldn't hurt Hasbro in production costs. Might work better if they produced more than one of these pairs, with compatibility to allow mixing and matching (Dinokaiser, Liostructor, etc).
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby william-james88 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:04 pm

Emerje wrote:
william-james88 wrote:On a more on topic note, I will buy a 5 member Dinoking, if the price is right. I am far more interested by the dinobots being reused to make Dinoking than the terrorcons reused to make monstructor since the alt modes look more the part.

You think so? I guess it depends on if you want them to turn into their shells or not. Outside Japan the Dinoforce shells aren't very iconic and it would be hard to look at the figures as anything other than green Dinobots. On the other hand I think there's some potential in Terrorcons looking really good in Pretender Monster (very creative name, Hasbro) colors.

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Granted, they wouldn't all be perfect, but maybe if they give us Seacons we'll have more options.

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I do think so, as in I do think that if Hasbro goes for inner pretender robot mode and pretender shell alt mode then Dinoking works way better than Mosntructor.

And since your example totally ignores the outer monster shell then that means you agree as well.

Of course we can both agree and say that the best way for them to do monstructor would be to ignore the pretender shell and the best way to do dinoking is have the pretender shell be the alt mode.

And the dinobots wouldnt all be green. Only 3 of them, and it wouldnt even be the same green.

I am calling it now, Dinoking will be a team of 4 deluxes + dark turquoise Grimlock as a torso and the ankylosaur is ignored.

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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby primalxconvoy » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:06 pm

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Emerje wrote:
william-james88 wrote:On a more on topic note, I will buy a 5 member Dinoking, if the price is right. I am far more interested by the dinobots being reused to make Dinoking than the terrorcons reused to make monstructor since the alt modes look more the part.

You think so? I guess it depends on if you want them to turn into their shells or not. Outside Japan the Dinoforce shells aren't very iconic and it would be hard to look at the figures as anything other than green Dinobots. On the other hand I think there's some potential in Terrorcons looking really good in Pretender Monster (very creative name, Hasbro) colors.

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Granted, they wouldn't all be perfect, but maybe if they give us Seacons we'll have more options.

Emerje


I do think so, as in I do think that if Hasbro goes for inner pretender robot mode and pretender shell alt mode then Dinoking works way better than Mosntructor.

And since your example totally ignores the outer monster shell then that means you agree as well.

Of course we can both agree and say that the best way for them to do monstructor would be to ignore the pretender shell and the best way to do dinoking is have the pretender shell be the alt mode.

And the dinobots wouldnt all be green. Only 3 of them, and it wouldnt even be the same green.

I am calling it now, Dinoking will be a team of 4 deluxes + green Grimlock as a torso and the ankylosaur is ignored.

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You know, Hasbro could troll all of us and just make Primemasters and put them in new pretender shells, or recoloured Titanmaster vehicle gun things and make a teeny-tiny boxed set and call it a day...
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Targetmaster Kup » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:27 pm

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Brainstorm, Cloudraker/Wingspan, now Wreck-Gar. I've never been more excited to browse the aisles at Walgreens before.

Also - he's got to be based on Combiner Wars Groove, right?


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Postby Targetmaster Kup » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:32 pm

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pretty sure there is only 1 more wave of TR along with the Intelligence and Fireblast boxsets.

8 deluxe and 2 voyagers.
Primal and Megatron would most likely be the 2 voyagers
8 deluxe, 4 maximals 4 predacons?
Cheetor, Tigatron, Airazor, Silverbolt
Terrorsaur, Tarantulas, Blackarachnia, Scorponok

Cheetor and Tigatron could share a single new mold with some creative retooling done to the beast mode proportions
Blackarachnia would just be a us release of the Takara Legends toy
Scorponok as a retool of the RID warrior?

part of me cant help but pine for a potential us release of Beast Wars Metals Jaguar X-9


Has anyone heard anything more recently?
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:44 pm

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Targetmaster Kup wrote:
SG Roadbuster wrote:
Rysquad wrote:I hope there's an Optimal Optimus.

Any chance of SDCC reveals or is there still too much Titans Returns in the pipeline?



I'd be so very down for a Leader class Optimal Optimus. maybe have a face swap gimmick ala t30 blitzwing, so the figure can also double up as Optimal Megatron from the Beast Machines finale.

pretty sure there is only 1 more wave of TR along with the Intelligence and Fireblast boxsets.

8 deluxe and 2 voyagers.
Primal and Megatron would most likely be the 2 voyagers
8 deluxe, 4 maximals 4 predacons?
Cheetor, Tigatron, Airazor, Silverbolt
Terrorsaur, Tarantulas, Blackarachnia, Scorponok

Cheetor and Tigatron could share a single new mold with some creative retooling done to the beast mode proportions
Blackarachnia would just be a us release of the Takara Legends toy
Scorponok as a retool of the RID warrior?

part of me cant help but pine for a potential us release of Beast Wars Metals Jaguar X-9


Has anyone heard anything more recently?


No, as those new "Beast Wars" characters rumor is based on the hope of a Eukaris-themed set (planet in the IDW comics with BW characters, complimenting Velocitron). Optimus Primal did get made, through the unrelated Fan Vote.
On the side, FunPub did plan a Scorponok out of the RiD Bisk mold, but when they heard the license would end, they hastily used Gen Scamper instead.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby william-james88 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:49 pm

Targetmaster Kup wrote:Has anyone heard anything more recently?

All we know we are getting is leader Optimal Optimus
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby ExciKaiser » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:55 am

william-james88 wrote:Of course we can both agree and say that the best way for them to do monstructor would be to ignore the pretender shell and the best way to do dinoking is have the pretender shell be the alt mode.


And there's a detail which go on this direction, another hasbro's mistake that everybody seems to have missed :

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