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Honestly, I'm just sad that Abominus will no longer have his legs connected by Hun-Gurr eating the combiner ports. That was always the best part.

Uh, I mean... I don't know this for sure; none of us know Abominus is coming for sure... it'd be a real surprise if Hasbro showed us that at some point, golly!

1. Good catch Sabr on Cutthroats head. This not only gives me hope that we may get a Monstructor or Dinoking at some point, but also that TT may release it with an accurate animated head...so it will be worth the wait.

2. Not sure why there is so much complaining about Windcharger. The CW version may have been a better looking toy, but if he didn't have the name on the packaging, he could have been any generic bot. PotP Windcharger looks exactly how he should look. Always happy to see toys accurate to the original series. Not exactly sure why they chose to redo a figure that was just released in the same "Prime Wars" trilogy...the only reason I can think of is as a pre-tool for IDW fan-favorite Tailgate (ugh...) . So everyone I guess can stop complaining, because after they finish "pandering" to us old farts, they'll "pander" to IDW fanboys/girls, so there...everybody wins...I guess.

It wouldn't be a pretool for a MTMTE accurate Tailgate -- after all, we already got a much more accurate Tailgate in T30. This toy is much more accurate to the proportions of Windcharger and Tailgate's original G1 toys and cartoon/Marvel appearances, which some people might want over the CW version. CW version looks way better to me, though... that head on the new POTP version

But yes, I would totally expect a Tailgate somewhere at the end of the line. But don't expect a MTMTE/LL-based one; at most it might have a head accurate to that version.

So we aren't going to talk about the mock-up of Divebomb/Predaking's wings?

Considering the almost two to one ration of Autobot to Decepticon combiners. Preedaking and Abominus versus Volcanicus is a good start.

Where's all the official images

Stuartmaximus wrote:Where's all the official images

Right here.

Omegatron. wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:Where's all the official images

Right here.

OK, thanks

erm...one thing missing from NYCC.....Optimus Primal/Optimal Optimus, never saw that there? so no official renders

Stormtalon wrote:So we aren't going to talk about the mock-up of Divebomb/Predaking's wings?

Considering the almost two to one ratio of Autobot to Decepticon combiners. Predaking and Abominus versus Volcanicus is a good start.

They are Divebmbs wings, it's a tease for Predaking, what else is there to say?

Also the Autobot Combiners outnumbering the Decepticons is a myth.

Through use of UW, Convention Exclusives, and TFCC I was able to even things out, getting a surprising 24 unique Combiners (12 heroic, and 12 evil)... but even just using what was at normal retail in most countries it still basically evens out.

Autobots:
1.Superion
2.Defensor
3.Optimus Maximus/Ultra Prime
4.Victorion
5.Sky Reign
6.Computron
7.G2 Superion

Decepticons:
1. Menasor
2. Bruticus
3. Galvatronus
4. Devastator
5. Lio Kaiser
6. G2 Menasor
7. G2 Bruticus

But when you think about it, back in the original series, the Decepticon Combiners actually outnumbered the Autobots, which is why Omega Supreme came to be Devastators rival, and Sky Lynx, Predakings rival, to even out "Giant" size transformers in general.

Stuartmaximus wrote:

Omegatron. wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:Where's all the official images

Right here.

OK, thanks

erm...one thing missing from NYCC.....Optimus Primal/Optimal Optimus, never saw that there? so no official renders

None, also no moonracer official image

Wow, this line looks amazing. Really excited for those new Pretenders. I hope they really go all out with these. Heck, I want to see them do Pretender Classics like Jazz, Bumblebee, Grimlock and Starscream!

Aye they're kind of a Pretender/Targetmaster mix

I asked a while back, but I think it got lost in the page turn...There appear to be 15 Prime symbols, anyone want to chance at what the extras are?

o.supreme wrote:I asked a while back, but I think it got lost in the page turn...There appear to be 15 Prime symbols, anyone want to chance at what the extras are?

Primus and Unicron?

could be? coz we know Unicron exists somewhere since we're getting Rodimus Unicronus

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I asked a while back, but I think it got lost in the page turn...There appear to be 15 Prime symbols, anyone want to chance at what the extras are?

Primus and Unicron?

Could be. You all know I'm a sucker for numbers and symmetry. We got 15 unique Titan Masters with vehicles in TR. So it stands to reason then, we could also get 15 Prime Masters in POTP.

What we know so far:

1. Bludgeon w/ Quintus Prime
2. Bomb Burst w/ Megatornus
3. Cloudburst w/ Micronus
4. Landmine w/ Alpha Trion
5. Metalhawk w/ Vector Prime
6. Octopunch w/Solus Prime
7. Skullgrin w/Liege Maximo
8. Submarauder w/ Alchemost Prime

So...whos left? (assuming the above theory is true)

1. Primus
2. Unicron
3. Prima
4. Nexus
5. Onyx
6. Amalgamous
7. Optimus Prime

Unused 1988 and 1989 Pretenders: (sans Beasts, Classic, Mega, and Ultra)

1. Waverider
2. Groundbreaker
3. Splashdown
4. Sky High
5. Bugly
6. Finback
7. Iguanas
8. Doubleheader
9. Longtooth
10.Pincher
11.Stranglehold


So...Unfortunately not Every Pretender will get an update looks like. Also this is assuming no Beasts, Classics, Mega or Ultra are used I doubt classics because were getting 3 of the 4 in the PotP line, and BB just got a release in TR)...But have fun speculating and playing mix-in-match with the remaining Primes & Pretenders.

o.supreme wrote:and Sky Lynx, Predakings rival

Funnily enough i'd've liked to have seen another Sky Lynx released, but a much bigger one this time rather than just the smallish CW one that we got, in order to rival the Titan Class Predaking

Kurona wrote:It wouldn't be a pretool for a MTMTE accurate Tailgate -- after all, we already got a much more accurate Tailgate in T30. This toy is much more accurate to the proportions of Windcharger and Tailgate's original G1 toys and cartoon/Marvel appearances, which some people might want over the CW version. CW version looks way better to me, though... that head on the new POTP version

But yes, I would totally expect a Tailgate somewhere at the end of the line. But don't expect a MTMTE/LL-based one; at most it might have a head accurate to that version.

From the leaked images a while back, Tailgate (repaint of Windcharger) was listed as being in the 2nd wave of the legends class figures.

o.supreme wrote:Could be. You all know I'm a sucker for numbers and symmetry. We got 15 unique Titan Masters with vehicles in TR. So it stands to reason then, we could also get 15 Prime Masters in POTP.

If Thrilling 30, CW and TR has taught me anything, it is this: Do not count on the previous line for clues on how the next one will shake out.

15 is certainly possible. I could just as easily see only 12 prime masters, leaving OP out since he has a Leader figure.

We have no idea if they are going to tie the 15 symbols all to prime masters or if they have something else up their sleeve for the last few symbols.

ThunderThruster wrote:

Kurona wrote:It wouldn't be a pretool for a MTMTE accurate Tailgate -- after all, we already got a much more accurate Tailgate in T30. This toy is much more accurate to the proportions of Windcharger and Tailgate's original G1 toys and cartoon/Marvel appearances, which some people might want over the CW version. CW version looks way better to me, though... that head on the new POTP version

But yes, I would totally expect a Tailgate somewhere at the end of the line. But don't expect a MTMTE/LL-based one; at most it might have a head accurate to that version.

From the leaked images a while back, Tailgate (repaint of Windcharger) was listed as being in the 2nd wave of the legends class figures.

Sweet, we get worse-Tailgate out of the way nice and quick

I don't think I'll pick up the Terrorcons, but damn I might actually need Rodimus Unicronus in my life. I know little to nothing about Shattered Glass, and I rolled my eyes when I first saw him in the leaks, but that head sculpt has kind of won me over. He's like if Lemmy was a giant alien robot!

Stuartmaximus wrote:

o.supreme wrote:and Sky Lynx, Predakings rival

Funnily enough i'd've liked to have seen another Sky Lynx released, but a much bigger one this time rather than just the smallish CW one that we got, in order to rival the Titan Class Predaking

A leader class Sky Lynx or some form of Raiden would have been nice, unless Hasbro is eventually planning Titan Class versions of Omega Supreme & Sky Lynx to counter Devastator & Predaking.

o.supreme wrote:I asked a while back, but I think it got lost in the page turn...There appear to be 15 Prime symbols, anyone want to chance at what the extras are?

15? I only spot 12 in every single image, all the same. The ones whose designs and colors are confirmed are:

- Liege Maximo (green)
- Micronus (light blue)
- Vector Prime (blue)
- Alpha Trion (pink)
- Alchemist Prime (grey)

I will admit the last one is hard to make out in the box art, but the faux club/clover design makes him easier to spot.

Optimus might die and become a prime spark.

RAR wrote:Optimus might die and become a prime spark.

Optimus is already one of the 13.

Dumb, but a thing.

Kurona wrote:

RAR wrote:Optimus might die and become a prime spark.

Optimus is already one of the 13.

Dumb, but a thing.

To pedantic, the 13th one is the Matrix of Leadership.