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Cobotron wrote:
Has Inferno's forearm been retooled to accommodate a Prime Master, or is he holding a combiner foot with the gun plugged into that? I think the later, but what do you all see?

I'm not so curfuffled over the re-release of this mold, and I like the looks of the new head sculpt for robot mode, but I do wish they had given the torso a new combiner head.

He's just holding the combiner foot/hand.

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:He's just holding the combiner foot/hand.

Can we all agree that Hungrr is a retooled Silverbolt? It seems so obvious.

ScottyP - you know what this means!!





Is this the first confirmation of Elita One? This feels like it should be bigger news.

megatronus wrote:

Can we all agree that Hungrr is a retooled Silverbolt? It seems so obvious.

ScottyP - you know what this means!!





Is this the first confirmation of Elita One? This feels like it should be bigger news.

It means that Abominus is going to have a fantastic, sturdy torso.

No, we saw Elita-1 in the big leaks a few months ago.

megatronus wrote:Can we all agree that Hungrr is a retooled Silverbolt? It seems so obvious.

We all agreed from the very first leak/pic.
Even the beast mode is only silverbolt on fours.

megatronus wrote:Is this the first confirmation of Elita One? This feels like it should be bigger news.

No we all saw it in the leaks as well as the contents of the waves until wave 3. No surprise/confirmation here. Just the first pic of the real toy, but it's so bad quality that's it doesn't helps more than the leaks.

ExciKaiser wrote:

megatronus wrote:Can we all agree that Hungrr is a retooled Silverbolt? It seems so obvious.

We all agreed from the very first leak/pic.
Even the beast mode is only silverbolt on fours.

Incorrect - ScottyP is insistent that he is not Silverbolt. It's time to collect!

Really bummed Inferno is just Hot Spot with a different head.

megatronus wrote:Incorrect - ScottyP is insistent that he is not Silverbolt. It's time to collect!

I don't follow names so much: Is it the same who was insistent that no, starscream was not a combiner/torso ?

megatronus wrote:Can we all agree that Hungrr is a retooled Silverbolt? It seems so obvious.

Not a retool, just shared engineering

megatronus wrote:

ExciKaiser wrote:

megatronus wrote:Can we all agree that Hungrr is a retooled Silverbolt? It seems so obvious.

We all agreed from the very first leak/pic.
Even the beast mode is only silverbolt on fours.

Incorrect - ScottyP is insistent that he is not Silverbolt. It's time to collect!

An I'm with Scotty, it really isn't a retool. It's just shared engineering, not shared molds.

Inferno looks like fun, and gives us an Autobot Wrecker torso for Impactor, but I dont know that I need that.

The bomb vests actually dont look bad on Ripper and Darkwing. But I wont be using them.

For some reason, Moonracer's armor makes me think of Movie Hound. Looks like a fun mold, but I need more convincing to replace my TFCC.

Elita isnt bad, and since I dobt have any of her figures she's new enough to me. Kibble and all. That torso mode is definately Movie Screamer though.

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megatronus wrote:

Can we all agree that Hungrr is a retooled Silverbolt? It seems so obvious.

ScottyP - you know what this means!!





Is this the first confirmation of Elita One? This feels like it should be bigger news.

It's a not a retool! It shares engineering and that's it. There's a difference.

This is just like G2 Smokescreen and Energon Stracream.

A retool means shared parts with new molding. Hun-grrr doesn't share any parts with silverbolt.

By your argument that would mean every single titan master is a retool because they transform the same and there not. While most have been retooled they not all retools of one titan master.

Randomhero wrote:A retool means shared parts with new molding.

No, that is NOT the definition of a retool, it never was.

Here is the ONLY definition for a retool that is legitimate:

A Retool is a toy that has been created by modifying an existing mold to give it new features. This enables companies to create new toys without producing an entirely new mold from scratch.

Any definition beyond that is entirely particular to you as a fan and in no way legitimate. That is the definition for Hasbro and the toy industry. Notice 0 mention of shared parts. And even then, all combiner components have a shared part, the combiner ports, so those fan definitions are still utterly useless.
A mold can be modified entirely and it would still be a retool. And TF molds have a bunch of pieces, so it could be they use the mold for some pieces, modify them and then add other new pieces. There is still a retooled element in there.

The main idea is that a toy must come from an existing mold and since we all have 0 clue as to what went on in the background at hasrbo (like, did they take the silverbolt mold and tweak it totally, or did they never look at silverbolt and just make this guy from scratch) then NONE of us have the answer and NONE of us are right or can affirm to be right over an other. That is why this discussion is so **** tedious every **** time. There is no answer, its what you think.

So, short story, if you think its a retool, then its a retool. If you dont, then it isnt, TO YOU.

ExciKaiser wrote:Even the beast mode is only silverbolt on fours.

Not quite, what Hun-Gurr uses for front beast legs doesn't exist on Silverbolt. They had to add parts for the front beast legs since Silverbolt/Hun-Gurr's robot legs become his dragon heads.

Call it a reshell. Whatever.

If they simply remolded the outward appearance but internal mechanics are unchanged from Silverbolt, it's the same. Retool.

Smokescreen & Energon Starscream have a similar transformation, but that's more of a one-is-inspired-by-the-other case. Given their size and other quirks with those figures it's hard to call SS a retool in that sense.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

ExciKaiser wrote:Even the beast mode is only silverbolt on fours.

Not quite, what Hun-Gurr uses for front beast legs doesn't exist on Silverbolt. They had to add parts for the front beast legs since Silverbolt/Hun-Gurr's robot legs become his dragon heads.

Is Sandstorm a retool of Springer?

The consensus is yes.

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If the glove fits, you must acquit!

Cobotron wrote:
Has Inferno's forearm been retooled to accommodate a Prime Master, or is he holding a combiner foot with the gun plugged into that? I think the later, but what do you all se2e?

I'm not so curfuffled over the re-release of this mold, and I like the looks of the new head sculpt for robot mode, but I do wish they had given the torso a new combiner head.

That inferno head is destined to be hidden for life. I dont care about Inferno I want G2 Defensor. Hoping we still get that wreck gar repaint of Groove to cover the leg limbs in proper G2 colors along with Funpub bluestreak as a stand in for streetwise. First Aid is about the same in white. And unfortunately we dont get a all dark blue copter but Alpha Bravo will finally have a purpose to exist.

Rated X wrote:That inferno head is destined to be hidden for life. I dont care about Inferno I want G2 Defensor. Hoping we still get that wreck gar repaint of Groove to cover the leg limbs in proper G2 colors along with Funpub bluestreak as a stand in for streetwise. First Aid is about the same in white. And unfortunately we dont get a all dark blue copter but Alpha Bravo will finally have a purpose to exist.

G2 FTW

You can always borrow the Baldigus copter to make it happen.

On a side note -

Did anyone else notice that Starscream's torso mode somewhat resembles his Bayhem movie body? Not sure if that's an intention nod.

I don't have an issue with the use of CW Hot Spot into a new version of Inferno. Sure, it isn't perfect and I have a few variations of the mold already, but it's a pretty obvious use of the mold and many of us like more combiner options. I have been very tempted to paint up my own versions of Ratchet (haven't wanted to pay for the Takara set, but leaning towards it), Hoist, Bluestreak (missed the Club release, sadly) and Sideswipe. I imagine I'm not alone in that interest. They seemed like very obvious releases Hasbro could have added at little cost.

Likewise, I have a third-party Elita-1 but I like the Primes mold, even if the forearms are bulky. Again, it isn't perfect, but I definitely will add it to my collection, like the vast majority of this upcoming line. I wanted more Combiner Wars when the series ended. I like a lot of the less popular characters that were addressed with Titans Return, but I'm ready and eager for a continuation of the CW series. If some of the molds aren't precisely the way I'd design them, that's fine; they aren't nearly what I would have paid for a third-Party figure, let alone one with combiner port options. They're still very nice additions to most collections--most importantly, mine

Hmmm, I just noticed from some of the photos that it looks like the combiners hands that come with the deluxes are going to be color matched to some of the plastic on the actual deluxe figures.

I'm not sure how I feel about that. While it may make for a more cohesive arm, it may also look like crap when you are using the 2 unused hands from the leg bots to fill out the voyager torso.

This is fine for Jazz and the dinobots, who's combiner hands are black. But Moonracer, Rippersnapper, Dreadwind and Blackwing all have different colors on each of theirs.

I think Perfect Effect will be getting a bit of business from this line.

megatronus wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

ExciKaiser wrote:Even the beast mode is only silverbolt on fours.

Not quite, what Hun-Gurr uses for front beast legs doesn't exist on Silverbolt. They had to add parts for the front beast legs since Silverbolt/Hun-Gurr's robot legs become his dragon heads.

Is Sandstorm a retool of Springer?

The consensus is yes.

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If the glove fits, you must acquit!

I believe you completely missed my point. I was saying Hun-Gurr simply cannot be Silverbolt on all fours, because 2 of the 4 are up in the air.

william-james88 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:A retool means shared parts with new molding.

No, that is NOT the definition of a retool, it never was.

Here is the ONLY definition for a retool that is legitimate:

A Retool is a toy that has been created by modifying an existing mold to give it new features. This enables companies to create new toys without producing an entirely new mold from scratch.

Any definition beyond that is entirely particular to you as a fan and in no way legitimate. That is the definition for Hasbro and the toy industry. Notice 0 mention of shared parts. And even then, all combiner components have a shared part, the combiner ports, so those fan definitions are still utterly useless.
A mold can be modified entirely and it would still be a retool. And TF molds have a bunch of pieces, so it could be they use the mold for some pieces, modify them and then add other new pieces. There is still a retooled element in there.

The main idea is that a toy must come from an existing mold and since we all have 0 clue as to what went on in the background at hasrbo (like, did they take the silverbolt mold and tweak it totally, or did they never look at silverbolt and just make this guy from scratch) then NONE of us have the answer and NONE of us are right or can affirm to be right over an other. That is why this discussion is so **** tedious every **** time. There is no answer, its what you think.

So, short story, if you think its a retool, then its a retool. If you dont, then it isnt, TO YOU.

That's ridiculous. Calling something a retool when it's not is ignorance and it just spreads more ignorance. There's plenty of people who won't buy retools because 1. they thinks it's lazy or 2. They already one mold of the figure and don't want to buy it again. Going around saying hun-grrr is a retool spreads that idea when in fact he's not because he doesn't share anything expect shared engineering for gestalt.

Damnit, double post.