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News Credits: 1 · by **ExciKaiser** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:06 pm

Wow, I'm so much unimpressed by all this.

The gimmick looks unfun and useless contrary to titan returns.

"the not-head can become the matric inside the torso". What's the point ?

Are they keeping some announcements/reveal for later which will change how boring I see the thing ?

News Credits: 55 · by **o.supreme** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:07 pm

william-james88 wrote:it just looks like they are all over the place now and cant settle on an aesthetic, all while being heralded by the same team!

To be honest, I loved the CW line, its what brought me back after 10 years of being out, and TR has been really great also, but I fully agree the size inconsistencies are quite an annoyance. Plus you get things like a TM Brawn & Legends Class Brawn in the same line???--I mean both toys on their own are pretty cool, but again the lack of consistency is really a head scratcher for sure.

News Credits: 11 · by **RAR** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:12 pm

They seem to have ditched the crummy stickers (hopefully) but I will actually be a wretch and now complain that Starscream could loose the cutsey Destron numbering and the MP homaging 'No step' deco as they are both a lot less sexy than an extra white stripe would have been.

Also isn't Starscream suppose to be handsome.? I might call this Chunky but it's not elegant in anyway.

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I wonder if they will make a Nova Prime like body for one of the leader class something similar to Rodimus only with the big old wings and then the cab-robot functionality.

I do think they torsos may be swappable too (at least in super robot mode) - sort of like how that idea works in Webdiver.

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:12 pm

I want to like that Rodimus, but it just feels really needlessly busy.

And then there's this:

News Credits: 19 · by **Stuartmaximus** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:15 pm

Beachcomber looks cool

but what idiot transformed Rodimus :-x

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:15 pm

Sabrblade wrote:I want to like that Rodimus, but it just feels really needlessly busy.

And then there's this:

Ooooft... that's frustrating.

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:17 pm

Backpack and foil stickers.

With love, from Hasbro.

News Credits: 1 · by **ExciKaiser** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:19 pm

Sabrblade wrote:I want to like that Rodimus, but it just feels really needlessly busy.

And then there's this:

Wow.

Am I idealizing my memories of Titan return launch so much ? or the begining of this line really looks catastrophic ?

- useless gimmick : Titan masters had a role : heads. Not things to store uselessly in a torso like here.

- 4 years old repaints

and now this backpacked Rodimus..

I still have hopes that the terrible look of Starcream is justified by a combiner torso, but it'll just bring us 4 years back, the contrary to fresh/new. It'll save the figure only, not the announcement/reveal of the line.

News Credits: 11 · by **RAR** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:19 pm

That is because the arms and the legs are the Rodimus part and all that other stuff is just a folded up Hotrod toy stuck in the gap.

Oh and if you must use clip on wheels Hasbro do try to hide them better than that. (it reminds me way to much of random gimmick toys in the RID line).

From a certain point of view this is a continuation of the idea we have already seen with Overlord.

I wonder if they are considering a re-release of Ultra Magnus with a few tweaks and a new cab too ? Or if it's a line wide gimmick that requires them to be swapable Torso perhaps not.

I'll be curious how they deal with the colour issues that Optimus Primal / Optimal Optimus will raise... Unless they cheat and just make the whole thing Primal Prime colours.

News Credits: 55 · by **o.supreme** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:24 pm

Also just thinking about the Primes Themselves how it relates to the play pattern, aren't there really only 2 "Evil" Primes (Liege Maximo and Megatronus/The Fallen)? I mean I know some have not really been explored outside of the CoP, and maybe more ambivalent in nature, but this could really cause even more of a uneven Autobot to Decepticon balance, unless some of those Primes all of a sudden are aligned with evil characters?

I mean in IDW the eventual coming of Onyx Prime (Lord of Beasts) sounded kind of ominous coming from Galvatron before he died, but no doubt he will be aligned with Optimus Primal in the toy line one would think...???

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:29 pm

There's been certain implications that a lot of the Primes aren't as goody two-shoes as we'd think. Prima, Alpha Trion, Vector Prime, Solus Prime and Optimus Prime (uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh) seem to be the only benevolent ones. Others seem to be more ambiguous, uncaring or downright malevolent in nature. Not necessarily doing evil for evil's sake or aligning with the Decepticons, but having their own agendas and letting their status and power get to their heads. That seems to be what's implied to me, anyway. This could all just be piss.

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:32 pm

Kurona wrote:There's been certain implications that a lot of the Primes aren't as goody two-shoes as we'd think. Prima, Alpha Trion, Vector Prime, Solus Prime and Optimus Prime (uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh) seem to be the only benevolent ones. Others seem to be more ambiguous, uncaring or downright malevolent in nature. Not necessarily doing evil for evil's sake or aligning with the Decepticons, but having their own agendas and letting their status and power get to their heads. That seems to be what's implied to me, anyway. This could all just be piss.

Alchemist Prime seems like an okay guy. He's also hinted to be the secret identity of Maccadam.

News Credits: 11 · by **RAR** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:34 pm

Starscream seems to have some clip tabs on his wings perhaps for armour ?
though what the folding wings are for is a bit of a puzzle.

I would also say that Starscream's guns are a bit over hollow looking for my tastes too.
Also speaking of guns Dreadwind/g really could do with a couple of them if Darkwing has two of them.

I like Jazz he's got a look about him that I can see being repainted into Crasher or a Trubomaster. or Even as Drench or Tailspin - Jazz isn't at all what I was expecting but if you search for Martini Sponsored Cars there is a few similar to this so the deco and mode is pretty reasoanble. I wouldn't be as pleased if they tried to use it for Sideswipe as well thoug - i'd prefer something more Lamborghini like for him...

But they might not do Sideswipe for the same reason they don't do Steeljaw (even if Windblade tends to make a nonsense of the whole idea that RID & Generations can't share characters) as Does Jazz and even Ratchet for that matter too.

I'm keen to see some more Prime-Masters to see if they all use logos that suggest a for of a face. Jazz's Gun isn't up to much either.

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:34 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Kurona wrote:There's been certain implications that a lot of the Primes aren't as goody two-shoes as we'd think. Prima, Alpha Trion, Vector Prime, Solus Prime and Optimus Prime (uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh) seem to be the only benevolent ones. Others seem to be more ambiguous, uncaring or downright malevolent in nature. Not necessarily doing evil for evil's sake or aligning with the Decepticons, but having their own agendas and letting their status and power get to their heads. That seems to be what's implied to me, anyway. This could all just be piss.
Alchemist Prime seems like an okay guy. He's also hinted to be the secret identity of Maccadam.

Yeah, I agree with that. I'd hang out with him. I don't drink as a life choice and even I would have a drink with this dude :lol:

News Credits: 11 · by **RAR** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:37 pm

I hope they make a sword with a hilt hole in it that takes Prime-masters so UT Vector Prime can wield himself as a sword. Also His Minicon is now bigger than him so he can push him around.

News Credits: 11 · by **Munkky** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:39 pm

So far I like the sound of Power of the Primes. The Prime Master thing is a nice way of continuing the Titanmaster gimmick while breathing new life into it. My thoughts on each reveal:

Jazz - Not too shabby. It doesn't look anywhere near as good as Reveal the Shield Jazz of course, but I may still get it when it's out.
Dreadwind and Blackwing - While I did initially roll my eyes at the sight of more Combiner Wars repaints, these two have turned out pretty nice, though they're probably not something I need.
Starscream - ....Yeah I think I'll just stick with my Combiner Wars Leader.
Liege Maximo - I like the Pretender Decoy Suit based on Skullgrin, though I do hope this isn't it for Liege Maximo and he gets at least a Deluxe figure as well. Same goes for the rest of the Primes.
Rodimus Prime - I can live without it, though the "evolution" armour idea is great. It said on TFormers.com that Optimus Primal would have this gimmick too, I wonder if they'll do it like regular Season 1 Optimus as the main figure and Optimal Optimus as his armor? That would be fantastic.

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:40 pm

Also, I LOVE that matrix-can-be-a-head feature. It's so pointless but utterly hilarious and awesome. Plus, me being me, I instantly thought of six-of-twelve.

by **Dagon** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:44 pm

The combiner pegs are clearly visible, so are we thinking Dreadwind and Darkwing will be able to combine with Combiner Wars torsos?

The Rodimus is pretty neat, but I'm not sure that I need to get it. I do like the idea a lot, though, so we'll see.

Man Starscream, what are you doing.

News Credits: 11 · by **RAR** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:48 pm

I think the idea is that the Primes are all essentially dead and these Avatars are their essences preserved in a tiny body as a means to contain them.

Unless they always were tiny that is... and we simply didn't know. (not likely otherwise the Forge of Solus Prime & the Matrix of Leadership would be teeny too).

Now there is a thought "The Matrix of Leadership" if they call one of the Leaderclass toy's Prime-master cradles that then - what will the other ones be ? The Matrix of ??????

News Credits: 11 · by **Munkky** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:51 pm

Dagon wrote:The combiner pegs are clearly visible, so are we thinking Dreadwind and Darkwing will be able to combine with Combiner Wars torsos?

It looks like Combiner Wars Galvantronus will finally get limbs after all.

News Credits: 11 · by **RAR** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:00 pm

They can make the other two limbs be the missing team-members from The boxed set since swindle and Air Raid are pretty much shoe in moulds - they can if they want tweak them a bit - perhaps even make a bat or bird or Panther shaped "Master" as a chest piece for them.. which can later find other uses for things like Doubledealer.

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:04 pm

I'm easing up a little on Starscream, but I'm still sorely disappointed by the proportions. Turns out that for TAAO, Pitre-Durocher was essentially handed a design for Hasbro -- which, when it was eventually turned into a toy here; was clearly modified for combining purposes. And naturally, in the comics the design has added little detailing and minor differences. It's a good basic design - and it's REALLY good in said comics - but it's just what differences the toy itself has that make it frustrating.

That's what's really bad about this figure. It's so, so, SO nearly perfect but a few little changes just ruin the whole thing.

News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:12 pm

News Credits: 11 · by **RAR** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:15 pm

I noticed there is some sort of Armoured up Starscream image from the IDW comics being pushed about - which is pretty similar to this new Screamer toy.

The Busy Book mini-figure isn't that different either really.

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I notice Dreadwind/Darkwing looks like he has a cat head for a face.

I also noticed that size wise the frame of weapons that come with the The Last Knight Onestep gift set look like they would rather suit the Prime-Master "Pretenders" to a tee.

News Credits: 11 · by **Nexus Knight** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:15 pm

Dagon wrote:The combiner pegs are clearly visible, so are we thinking Dreadwind and Darkwing will be able to combine with Combiner Wars torsos?

The Rodimus is pretty neat, but I'm not sure that I need to get it. I do like the idea a lot, though, so we'll see.

Man Starscream, what are you doing.

As one can clearly see, he's been working out.